American College Football(NCAAF) 2015-2016 Discussion Thread

[Luminesa]

I wouldn't call 5-7 with wins against Oklahoma and Baylor a "terrible" year. Extremely close losses to Cal, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech can't be overlooked either - especially that brutal loss to Cal thanks to the Longhorns' special teams.

Ah, true. They're not the worst (*ahem*Kansas*ahem*), but they definitely have room to improve.

[Torisakia]

LOL IOWA

Also, with Watson and McCaffrey's performances today, I don't think Henry's name is going to be called at Best Buy Theater next Saturday.

[Bythyrona]

The Everything As Planned Top 25 - Week 14

1. Clemson (13-0)
2. Alabama (12-1)
3. Michigan State (12-1)
4. Oklahoma (11-1)
5. Ohio State (11-1)
6. Iowa (12-1)
7. Stanford (11-2)
8. Northwestern (10-2)
9. Florida State (10-2)
10. TCU (10-2)
11. Notre Dame (10-2)
12. Houston (12-1)
13. North Carolina (11-2)
14. Oklahoma State (10-2)
15. Ole Miss (9-3)
16. Michigan (9-3)
17. Oregon (9-3)
18. Wisconsin (9-3)
19. LSU (9-3)
20. Florida (10-3)
21. Utah (9-3)
22. Baylor (9-3)
23. Navy (9-2)
24. Georgia (9-3)
25. Western Kentucky (11-2)
---
IN: Western Kentucky
OUT: Temple
---
The Best of the Rest:
#26 Tennessee, #27 Mississippi State, #28 Washington State, #29 UCLA, #30 Temple, #31 Memphis, #32 USC, #33 BYU, #34 Texas A&M, #35 South Florida, #36 Toledo, #37 Miami, #38 Pittsburgh, #39 San Diego State, #40 Bowling Green

[Banija]

The Everything As Planned Top 25 - Week 14

1. Clemson (13-0)
2. Alabama (12-1)
3. Michigan State (12-1)
4. Oklahoma (11-1)
5. Ohio State (11-1)
6. Iowa (12-1)
7. Stanford (11-2)
8. Northwestern (10-2)
9. Florida State (10-2)
10. TCU (10-2)
11. Notre Dame (10-2)
12. Houston (12-1)
13. North Carolina (11-2)
14. Oklahoma State (10-2)
15. Ole Miss (9-3)
16. Michigan (9-3)
17. Oregon (9-3)
18. Wisconsin (9-3)
19. LSU (9-3)
20. Florida (10-3)
21. Utah (9-3)
22. Baylor (9-3)
23. Navy (9-2)
24. Georgia (9-3)
25. Western Kentucky (11-2)
---
IN: Western Kentucky
OUT: Temple
---
The Best of the Rest:
#26 Tennessee, #27 Mississippi State, #28 Washington State, #29 UCLA, #30 Temple, #31 Memphis, #32 USC, #33 BYU, #34 Texas A&M, #35 South Florida, #36 Toledo, #37 Miami, #38 Pittsburgh, #39 San Diego State, #40 Bowling Green

This is solid, though I don't know why you have Michigan State passing Oklahoma. Sparty definitely earned its playoff spot, yes, but do they deserve to pass Oklahoma? I don't think so...

Either way, the playoff will be exciting this year. The best part? My off days are Thursdays & Fridays, so I'll watch the playoffs on December 31st and Michigan's bowl game on New Year's Day

[Luminesa]

LOL IOWA

Also, with Watson and McCaffrey's performances today, I don't think Henry's name is going to be called at Best Buy Theater next Saturday.

Crud in a bucket.

Well, my only hope now is Oklahoma. BOOMER SOONER! *Clap, clap, clap, clap, clap.*

[United Dependencies]

I'm actually pretty satisfied with how North Carolina played. We were clearly outmatched at the line of scrimmage (on both offense and defense) and yet we still managed to end the game within one score of a top 5 team in a conference championship game.

This has been a spectacular season and I hope that Fedora can continue to build upon this success.

[Bythyrona]

The Everything As Planned Top 25 - Week 14

1. Clemson (13-0)
2. Alabama (12-1)
3. Michigan State (12-1)
4. Oklahoma (11-1)
5. Ohio State (11-1)
6. Iowa (12-1)
7. Stanford (11-2)
8. Northwestern (10-2)
9. Florida State (10-2)
10. TCU (10-2)
11. Notre Dame (10-2)
12. Houston (12-1)
13. North Carolina (11-2)
14. Oklahoma State (10-2)
15. Ole Miss (9-3)
16. Michigan (9-3)
17. Oregon (9-3)
18. Wisconsin (9-3)
19. LSU (9-3)
20. Florida (10-3)
21. Utah (9-3)
22. Baylor (9-3)
23. Navy (9-2)
24. Georgia (9-3)
25. Western Kentucky (11-2)
---
IN: Western Kentucky
OUT: Temple
---
The Best of the Rest:
#26 Tennessee, #27 Mississippi State, #28 Washington State, #29 UCLA, #30 Temple, #31 Memphis, #32 USC, #33 BYU, #34 Texas A&M, #35 South Florida, #36 Toledo, #37 Miami, #38 Pittsburgh, #39 San Diego State, #40 Bowling Green

This is solid, though I don't know why you have Michigan State passing Oklahoma. Sparty definitely earned its playoff spot, yes, but do they deserve to pass Oklahoma? I don't think so...

Either way, the playoff will be exciting this year. The best part? My off days are Thursdays & Fridays, so I'll watch the playoffs on December 31st and Michigan's bowl game on New Year's Day

The extra game? Beating Ohio State and Iowa? Oklahoma's double overtime win against Tennessee?

[Luminesa]

Soooo...Oklahoma and Clemson.

Ew, how did CLEMSON get #1? Flipping Sooners better pwn them good.

[Bythyrona]

Soooo...Oklahoma and Clemson.

Ew, how did CLEMSON get #1? Flipping Sooners better pwn them good.

...because they're undefeated and no other team in the nation is? Because they've played like a #1 team?

[Traxa]

MSU should not have jumped Oklahoma. The B1G is a weak conference only MSU and OhioSt are the real quality teams, both of which struggled mightily for weeks against inferior competition.

MSU looked horrible against unranked Purdue, Rutgers, a large chunk of the Indiana game, and was laughable against Airforce and Maryland and excluding the B1G championship only played 3 teams even ranked all year.

Oklahoma on the other hand minus the loss to texas played 5 ranked teams blowing out two of them and (again minus the Texas loss) destroyed the teams it was supposed to. Its sad that people for whatever reason seem to think the B1G is a quality conference and so MSU gets a bump over Oklahoma, its not. At best its third behind the big12 and SEC which is a toss up really.

As for why the SEC always gets the benefit of a doubt is simple, no other conference is even remotely close to pulling in the same number of top 10 and top 25 recruiting classes every year. If you ever want the SEC is king of the mountain stuff to go away, the other conferences are going to have to start beating them on the recruiting trail.

2016 Top 10 Classes
SEC-6
ACC-1
B1G-3
Big12-0
Pac12-0

2015
SEC-5
ACC-2
B1G-1
Big12-1
Pac12-1

2014
SEC-7
ACC-2
B1G-1
Big12-0
Pac12-0

2013
SEC-6
ACC-1
B1G-2
Big12-0
Pac12-0
(Notre Dame was the other)

I would keep going but theres no point with the exception of only a few seasons over the past decade the SEC has brought in more than double the amount of top 10 classes than the other power 5 conferences alone, and the disparity is even worse when you start counting the number of top 25. Now no, this doesn't mean the SEC is invincible obviously, but I have to say it is only fair that SEC teams get favored a lot in the polls because of it. When you're playing teams that are made up of what are consensus more talented players, you should not get the same treatment for losing to them as a team that is not playing against the same level of talent and loses. Why this logical concept is so difficult for some, particularly B1G fans to understand I dont get. Sour Grapes i guess.

That being said I am a UF fan (let your hate commence), but I am not rooting for Bama to win the playoff (bandwagon conference fans regardless of which conference they are from are annoying), I would actually like to see Oklahoma win it.

[Arkinesia]

Soooo...Oklahoma and Clemson.

Ew, how did CLEMSON get #1? Flipping Sooners better pwn them good.

...because they're undefeated and no other team in the nation is? Because they've played like a #1 team?

Yeah, I really don't know how you can't put Clemson #1 at this point.

I was surprised at how the ACCCG played out. I fully expected a constant shootout, but Clemson's defense really hung in there until they didn't need to care anymore. It was pretty incredible.

[Bythyrona]

MSU should not have jumped Oklahoma. The B1G is a weak conference only MSU and OhioSt are the real quality teams, both of which struggled mightily for weeks against inferior competition.

#SECbias

Beating Ohio State and Iowa

How is Iowa, a 12-1 team, not a quality team? How is Northwestern, a 10-2 team that strangled a Stanford team with Christian McCaffrey, not a quality team? How is Michigan, a 9-3 team that posted three consecutive shutouts at one point, not a quality team? Are you fucking kidding me?

Michigan State has two wins against teams that are ranked in the Top Ten, one of which stiff-armed the defending champion out of the playoff. Oklahoma doesn't have shit compared to that. Don't kid yourself.

[Traxa]

MSU should not have jumped Oklahoma. The B1G is a weak conference only MSU and OhioSt are the real quality teams, both of which struggled mightily for weeks against inferior competition.

#SECbias

Beating Ohio State and Iowa

How is Iowa, a 12-1 team, not a quality team? How is Northwestern, a 10-2 team that strangled a Stanford team with Christian McCaffrey, not a quality team? How is Michigan, a 9-3 team that posted three consecutive shutouts at one point, not a quality team? Are you fucking kidding me?

Michigan State has two wins against teams that are ranked in the Top Ten, one of which stiff-armed the defending champion out of the playoff. Oklahoma doesn't have shit compared to that. Don't kid yourself.

Im not sure if you're trolling or really that delusional...oh wait you're a B1G fan so that answers that question for me. Newsflash "defending national champs" means absolutely nothing, it literally has no value in what the quality of the team this year is hate to bust that bubble for you. Welcome to reality, I know, I know its dark and cold and scarybut you'll be OK.

Oklahoma has 5 wins against ranked teams 3 of which were on the road, didn't struggle against unranked teams (apart from the UT loss)

Northwestern also struggled against Duke, and Ball state who went 3-9 and plays in the MAC. Michigan only beat one good team (BYU) and lost to every other quality team they played although they did at least trounce the unranked teams they were supposed to.

And Iowa,who did they play again, they're already in the B1G west which is softer than the SEC east (and that takes effort) and they played an astounding 2 ranked teams all year (excluding championship game) and besides that beat up on teams like North Texas..really impressive resume ya got there Hawkeyes ( insert collective CFB world laugh here)

The only person kidding themselves is you at least I was hear to dump the cold water on you and bring you back to reality, which is the B1G is soft and has two teams of value in it anyone who, ya know, actually follows college football knows that. You're welcome.

[Torisakia]

So, time for bowl predictions. There are many like them, but these are mine. I'm not a sports analyst (and neither are you, so don't be Danny Kannell and act like you are one), so don't be upset if some games are as accurately predicted as others. The scores are just an added bonus. What I'm going for here is if I predict the winner right.

Record: 20-11

GILDAN NEW MEXICO BOWL: Arizona 41 New Mexico 10
ROYAL PURPLE LAS VEGAS BOWL: BYU 17 Utah 31 (HOLY SHIT WAR!)
RAYCOM MEDIA CAMELLIA BOWL: Ohio 10 Appalachian State 28
AUTONATION CURE BOWL: San José State 7 Georgia State 34
R+L CARRIERS NEW ORLEANS BOWL: Louisiana Tech 24 Arkansas State 17
MIAMI BEACH BOWL: USF 21 Western Kentucky 49
FAMOUS IDAHO POTATO BOWL: Akron 10 Utah State 21
BOCA RATON BOWL: Temple 38 Toledo 35
SAN DIEGO COUNTY CU POINSETTIA BOWL: Northern Illinois 13 Boise State 24
GODADDY BOWL: Bowling Green 20 Georgia Southern 26
POPEYES BAHAMAS BOWL: Middle Tennessee State 17 Western Michigan 20
HAWAI'I BOWL: Cincinnati 34 Sand Diego State 14
ST. PETERSBURG BOWL: Connecticut 6 Marshall 42
HYUNDAI SUN BOWL: Miami 38 Washington State 21
ZAXBY'S HEART OF DALLAS BOWL: Washington 23 Southern Mississippi 17
NEW ERA PINSTRIPE BOWL: Duke 34 Indiana 24
CAMPING WORLD INDEPENDENCE BOWL: Tulsa 13 Virginia Tech 37 (Fun Fact: Frank Beamer's 23 year bowl streak started at and will end at the Independence Bowl)
FOSTER FARMS SAN FRANCISCO BOWL: Nebraska 20 UCLA 26
MILITARY BOWL: Pittsburgh 7 Navy 34
QUICK LANE BOWL: Central Michigan 13 Minnesota 27
LOCKHEED MARTIN ARMED FORCES BOWL: California 27 Air Force 24
RUSSELL ATHLETIC BOWL: North Carolina 42 Baylor 38
NOVA HOME LOANS ARIZONA BOWL: Colorado State 35 Nevada 13
ADVOCARE V100 TEXAS BOWL: Texas Tech 17 LSU 31
BIRMINGHAM BOWL: Memphis 45 Auburn 28
BELK BOWL: North Carolina State 21 Mississippi State 24
FRANKLIN AMERICAN MORTGAGE MUSIC CITY BOWL: Louisville 14 Texas A&M 35
NATIONAL UNIVERSITY HOLIDAY BOWL: Wisconsin 48 USC 42
OUTBACK BOWL: Northwestern 34 Tennessee 23
BUFFALO WILD WINGS CITRUS BOWL: Michigan 23 Florida 43
TAXSLAYER GATOR BOWL: Penn State 21 Georgia 28
LIBERTY BOWL: Kansas State 31 Arkansas 27
VALERO ALAMO BOWL: TCU 39 Oregon 43
MOTEL 6 CACTUS BOWL: West Virginia 17 Arizona State 26
CHICK-FIL-A PEACH BOWL: Houston 37 Florida State 36
BATTLETOADS FIESTA BOWL: Notre Dame 45 Ohio State 21
ROSE BOWL GAME PRESENTED BY NORTHWESTERN MUTUAL: Iowa 17 Stanford 14
ALLSTATE SUGAR BOWL: Oklahoma State 36 Ole Miss 15

EDIT: Playoff predictions

CAPITAL ONE ORANGE BOWL: Clemson 38 Oklahoma 43
GOODYEAR COTTON BOWL: Alabama 41 Michigan State 30
(UPDATED) CFP NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP: Clemson 14 Alabama 36

[Luminesa]

...because they're undefeated and no other team in the nation is? Because they've played like a #1 team?

Yeah, I really don't know how you can't put Clemson #1 at this point.

I was surprised at how the ACCCG played out. I fully expected a constant shootout, but Clemson's defense really hung in there until they didn't need to care anymore. It was pretty incredible.

Eh. I don't pay attention to Clemson. Not an ACC fan, except for Miami. We'll see how this plays out. I'm excited.

[Bythyrona]

you're a B1G fan

If you actually participated in this thread whatsoever, you'd know I'm a fan of an SEC team. litloling

Newsflash "defending national champs" means absolutely nothing, it literally has no value in what the quality of the team this year is hate to bust that bubble for you. Welcome to reality, I know, I know its dark and cold and scarybut you'll be OK.

NEWSFLASH: I broke down OSU's season last year with a textblock of a post titled "lol OSU fans" and argued vehemently they didn't deserve to be in the playoff last year. Get your facts straight before you accuse someone else of bias. I know it's hard to acknowledge that you've done absolutely zero research on my stances here and that not everyone who's opposed to the illusory status of SEC domination in 2015 is a fan of another conference, but you'll be ok.

On MSU and Oklahoma - tell me again does oklahoma have two wins over two otherwise playoff-status teams

no? ok then thanks

MSU > Oklahoma

[Luminesa]

you're a B1G fan

If you actually participated in this thread whatsoever, you'd know I'm a fan of an SEC team. litloling

Newsflash "defending national champs" means absolutely nothing, it literally has no value in what the quality of the team this year is hate to bust that bubble for you. Welcome to reality, I know, I know its dark and cold and scarybut you'll be OK.

NEWSFLASH: I broke down OSU's season last year with a textblock of a post titled "lol OSU fans" and argued vehemently they didn't deserve to be in the playoff last year. Get your facts straight before you accuse someone else of bias. I know it's hard to acknowledge that you've done absolutely zero research on my stances here and that not everyone who's opposed to the illusory status of SEC domination in 2015 is a fan of another conference, but you'll be ok.

On MSU and Oklahoma - tell me again does oklahoma have two wins over two otherwise playoff-status teams

no? ok then thanks

MSU > Oklahoma

But...

But...

[Torisakia]

#SECbias



How is Iowa, a 12-1 team, not a quality team? How is Northwestern, a 10-2 team that strangled a Stanford team with Christian McCaffrey, not a quality team? How is Michigan, a 9-3 team that posted three consecutive shutouts at one point, not a quality team? Are you fucking kidding me?

Michigan State has two wins against teams that are ranked in the Top Ten, one of which stiff-armed the defending champion out of the playoff. Oklahoma doesn't have shit compared to that. Don't kid yourself.

Im not sure if you're trolling or really that delusional...oh wait you're a B1G fan so that answers that question for me. Newsflash "defending national champs" means absolutely nothing, it literally has no value in what the quality of the team this year is hate to bust that bubble for you. Welcome to reality, I know, I know its dark and cold and scarybut you'll be OK.

Oklahoma has 5 wins against ranked teams 3 of which were on the road, didn't struggle against unranked teams (apart from the UT loss)

Northwestern also struggled against Duke, and Ball state who went 3-9 and plays in the MAC. Michigan only beat one good team (BYU) and lost to every other quality team they played although they did at least trounce the unranked teams they were supposed to.

And Iowa,who did they play again, they're already in the B1G west which is softer than the SEC east (and that takes effort) and they played an astounding 2 ranked teams all year (excluding championship game) and besides that beat up on teams like North Texas..really impressive resume ya got there Hawkeyes ( insert collective CFB world laugh here)

The only person kidding themselves is you at least I was hear to dump the cold water on you and bring you back to reality, which is the B1G is soft and has two teams of value in it anyone who, ya know, actually follows college football knows that. You're welcome.

I would honestly say that Wisconsin, Northwestern, Minnesota, and Nebraska are much tougher opponents than Texas, Texas Tech, Kansas, and Iowa State.

And, if the Big Ten only has two teams of value, then I would very much like an explanation on how Michigan and Northwestern, one who was ranked in the AP Top 15 at one point and almost beat the Big Ten champion and the other who beat the eventual PAC-12 champion, both made NY6 bowls.

[Cymrea]

That would be pretty cool, but I don't think it would happen. The Rose Bowl is usually played between the Pac-12 and Big 10 Conference champions, unless one or both of those teams play for the national championship, in which case, the next best teams from each conference play.

My prediction for this year's matchup is Stanford and Iowa.

Dang...I called it!

[Luminesa]

Im not sure if you're trolling or really that delusional...oh wait you're a B1G fan so that answers that question for me. Newsflash "defending national champs" means absolutely nothing, it literally has no value in what the quality of the team this year is hate to bust that bubble for you. Welcome to reality, I know, I know its dark and cold and scarybut you'll be OK.

Oklahoma has 5 wins against ranked teams 3 of which were on the road, didn't struggle against unranked teams (apart from the UT loss)

Northwestern also struggled against Duke, and Ball state who went 3-9 and plays in the MAC. Michigan only beat one good team (BYU) and lost to every other quality team they played although they did at least trounce the unranked teams they were supposed to.

And Iowa,who did they play again, they're already in the B1G west which is softer than the SEC east (and that takes effort) and they played an astounding 2 ranked teams all year (excluding championship game) and besides that beat up on teams like North Texas..really impressive resume ya got there Hawkeyes ( insert collective CFB world laugh here)

The only person kidding themselves is you at least I was hear to dump the cold water on you and bring you back to reality, which is the B1G is soft and has two teams of value in it anyone who, ya know, actually follows college football knows that. You're welcome.

I would honestly say that Wisconsin, Northwestern, Minnesota, and Nebraska are much tougher opponents than Texas, Texas Tech, Kansas, and Iowa State.

And, if the Big Ten only has two teams of value, then I would very much like an explanation on how Michigan and Northwestern, one who was ranked in the AP Top 15 at one point and almost beat the Big Ten champion and the other who beat the eventual PAC-12 champion, both made NY6 bowls.

Absolutely. I'd rather play Kansas any day than Minnesota. At least Minnesota knows they have a chance.

Kansas...naaaaah.

[Traxa]

(Image)

If you actually participated in this thread whatsoever, you'd know I'm a fan of an SEC team. litloling


NEWSFLASH: I broke down OSU's season last year with a textblock of a post titled "lol OSU fans" and argued vehemently they didn't deserve to be in the playoff last year. Get your facts straight before you accuse someone else of bias. I know it's hard to acknowledge that you've done absolutely zero research on my stances here and that not everyone who's opposed to the illusory status of SEC domination in 2015 is a fan of another conference, but you'll be ok.

On MSU and Oklahoma - tell me again does oklahoma have two wins over two otherwise playoff-status teams

no? ok then thanks

MSU > Oklahoma

But...

But...

MSU>Oklahoma

Youre own gif applies that's how asinine and comical that statement is, at least to anyone who actually follows football. I suspect you don't even actually watch college football and take memos from skip on espn.

Your argument that MSU is better than OU because it beat two "playoff worthy teams" relies entirely on the eye test IE "the defending national champs so they're automatically a playoff team" even though as early as week 3 they were already being talked about getting knocked out of the top 4.... and "an undefeated p5 team must be great" never mind they played a cupcake schedule in the statistically worst division in cfb in the statistically 3rd best p5 conference.... and then lost when they finally played a decent team.... when you look at actual stats for who played who OU not only performed better than MSU on both sides of the ball, it also did it against better teams than what MSU was playing, and struggling against. But yeah MSU is better than OU...talk about litloling.



Wisconsin, Northwestern, Minnesota, and Nebraska are much tougher opponents than Texas, Texas Tech, Kansas, and Iowa State.

MSU didnt even play Wisconsin or Minn this year so thats not even relevant,... TT lost to 4 ranked teams and you're completely mad if you think UT is going to be irrelevant for very long

sure Kansas and Iowa St are bad but Ou didnt struggle to beat them the same way MSU struggled to beat Purdue and Rutgers...and Nebraska finished 5-7 with losses to Purdue and Illinois and had trouble handling southern miss...and North western negated their upset of Stanford when they struggled mightily to put away teams like Duke and Ball state as well as a horrid Purdue team..Minn could barely handle Ohio Miami, Kent State, and got embarrassed by a crappy Nebraska team that let Purdue score 55pts on them. yeah that's some tough competition in the B1G alright...oh wait...

[Arkinesia]

On the local Clemson station, listening to Walt Deptula's show, I heard a hilarious conspiracy theory from a caller about Mark Richt.

This guy says Richt set up his entire season to get fired and be hired by Miami. The best part of this theory comes at the tippy tippy end, if you're interested in the juiciest tidbit.

The theory goes that the quarterback controversy wasn't one, Richt was going to start Lambert because he was the “obvious choice,” being a grad transfer. He knew Lambert was no good, started him anyway, and then he happened to have some good games before sucking as planned. But he had no designs on any particular job, until Al Golden was fired at Richt's alma mater on October 25th. Prior to the Florida game, Richt would then get in contact with Miami to get his name out there.

Then, for the Florida game, Richt threw the game, damning his team's season, by benching Lambert and putting in Faton Bauta, who he knew had no chance of success in his offense. After that, he could do whatever the hell he wanted, and having already lost to Bama and Tennessee (each rivals of his school), he knew the jig would be up and he would be fired, even if he beat Tech (which he did).

He maintained contact with his alma mater throughout the offseason, making sure his name never dropped off the list following the firing of Al Golden. By keeping his name in the news, as well as in the minds of Miami's athletic department, he intentionally fucked his final season at UGA, assured his firing, and then set in motion the pieces to be hired by Miami.

Now, here's the promised kicker: when did this caller phone into the show and give this theory on air?

October 26th. One day after Golden was fired.

[Luminesa]

But...

But...

MSU>Oklahoma

Youre own gif applies that's how asinine and comical that statement is, at least to anyone who actually follows football. I suspect you don't even actually watch college football and take memos from skip on espn.

Your argument that MSU is better than OU because it beat two "playoff worthy teams" relies entirely on the eye test IE "the defending national champs so they're automatically a playoff team" even though as early as week 3 they were already being talked about getting knocked out of the top 4.... and "an undefeated p5 team must be great" never mind they played a cupcake schedule in the statistically worst division in cfb in the statistically 3rd best p5 conference.... and then lost when they finally played a decent team.... when you look at actual stats for who played who OU not only performed better than MSU on both sides of the ball, it also did it against better teams than what MSU was playing, and struggling against. But yeah MSU is better than OU...talk about litloling.



Wisconsin, Northwestern, Minnesota, and Nebraska are much tougher opponents than Texas, Texas Tech, Kansas, and Iowa State.

MSU didnt even play Wisconsin or Minn this year so thats not even relevant,... TT lost to 4 ranked teams and you're completely mad if you think UT is going to be irrelevant for very long

sure Kansas and Iowa St are bad but Ou didnt struggle to beat them the same way MSU struggled to beat Purdue and Rutgers...and Nebraska finished 5-7 with losses to Purdue and Illinois and had trouble handling southern miss...and North western negated their upset of Stanford when they struggled mightily to put away teams like Duke and Ball state as well as a horrid Purdue team..Minn could barely handle Ohio Miami, Kent State, and got embarrassed by a crappy Nebraska team that let Purdue score 55pts on them. yeah that's some tough competition in the B1G alright...oh wait...

Brah. Don't try to guess about people and what they do and don't do. Yes, I watch college football. I'll admit, I haven't paid as much attention this year, but most years I pay at least some attention to what's going on.

And for the record, I was playing around. Geez, if you're going to act so superior about it, wait until I actually put in the effort to say something stupid, then talk me down about what I'm saying.

Also, you never know. Ohio State was 0-10 against SEC teams coming into that game against Bama last year. Look what happened.

So we shall see, when we get to the game. This year in football has been quite topsy-turvsy, am I right?

[Bythyrona]

But...

But...

MSU>Oklahoma

Youre own gif applies that's how asinine and comical that statement is, at least to anyone who actually follows football. I suspect you don't even actually watch college football and take memos from skip on espn.

Your argument that MSU is better than OU because it beat two "playoff worthy teams" relies entirely on the eye test IE "the defending national champs so they're automatically a playoff team" even though as early as week 3 they were already being talked about getting knocked out of the top 4.... and "an undefeated p5 team must be great" never mind they played a cupcake schedule in the statistically worst division in cfb in the statistically 3rd best p5 conference.... and then lost when they finally played a decent team.... when you look at actual stats for who played who OU not only performed better than MSU on both sides of the ball, it also did it against better teams than what MSU was playing, and struggling against. But yeah MSU is better than OU...talk about litloling.

so nice job ignoring everything about being completely wrong about all these imaginary facts you enjoy conjuring up when someone says something you don't like. yeah im totes a b1g fan. let me just continue laughing

yeah everyone who ACTUALLY follows college football agrees with you, so like, you must be the only person who ACTUALLY watches college football. amazing, i never knew college football had one ACTUAL viewer. great fallacy there bro

lol sure ok kid yeah I don't ever watch football and I get all my facts from ESPN (despite, you know, me bitching and moaning about their media coverage repeatedly in college football threads, despite me making a poll dedicated to the attempt at being better than the media at polling - demonstrating, again, your amusing lack of knowledge about me in any form or fashion, but feel free to keep me laughing)... but somehow the SEC is still the best conference this year in your mind. lol. only in ns sports threads

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sch ... /2015.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/sch ... /2015.html

SOS stats
Michigan State: 5.88 (5th of 128)
Oklahoma: 4.27 (23rd of 128)

Michigan State wins over Top Ten opponents: 2, #5 Ohio State and #6 Iowa
Oklahoma wins over Top Ten opponents: 1, #10 TCU

MSU>Oklahoma. Don't kid yourself.

[Bythyrona]

My bowl game picks, predicted winners underlined and bolded:

New Mexico Bowl - Arizona (6-6) vs. New Mexico (7-5)

Las Vegas Bowl - (#33) BYU (9-3) vs. #21 Utah (9-3)

Camelia Bowl - Ohio (8-4) vs. Appalachian St. (9-2)

Cure Bowl - San Jose St. (5-7) vs. Georgia St. (6-6)

New Orleans Bowl - Louisiana Tech (8-4) vs. Arkansas St. (8-3)

Miami Beach Bowl - (#35) South Florida (8-4) vs. #25 Western Kentucky (11-2)

Humanitarian Bowl - Akron (7-5) vs. Utah State (6-6)

Boca Raton Bowl - (#30) Temple (10-3) vs. (#36) Toledo (9-2)

Poinsettia Bowl - Northern Illinois (8-5) vs. Boise St. (8-4)

Mobile Alabama Bowl - (#40) Bowling Green (10-3) vs. Georgia Southern (8-4)

Bahamas Bowl - Middle Tennessee (7-5) vs. W. Michigan (7-5)

Hawaii Bowl - Cincinnati (7-5) vs. (#39) San Diego St. (10-3)

St. Petersburg Bowl - Marshall (9-3) vs. UConn (6-6)

Sun Bowl - (#37) Miami (8-4) vs. (#28) Washington St. (8-4)

Heart of Dallas Bowl - Washington (6-6) vs. Southern Mississippi (9-4)

Pinstripe Bowl - Duke (7-5) vs. Indiana (6-6)

Independence Bowl - Virginia Tech (6-6) vs. Tulsa (6-6)

San Fransisco Bowl - Nebraska (5-7) vs. (#29) UCLA (8-4)

Military Bowl - #23 Navy (9-2) vs. (#38) Pittsburgh (8-4)

New Motor City Bowl - Central Michigan (7-5) vs. Minnesota (5-7)

Fort Worth Bowl - Air Force (8-5) vs. California (7-5)

Tangerine Bowl - #13 North Carolina (11-2) vs. #22 Baylor (9-3)

Arizona Bowl - Nevada (6-6) vs. Colorado St. (7-5)

Texas Bowl - Texas Tech (7-5) vs. #19 LSU (8-3)

Birmingham Bowl - Auburn (6-6) vs. (#31) Memphis (9-3)

Queen City Bowl - NC State (7-5) vs. (#27) Mississippi St. (8-4)

Music City Bowl - Louisville (7-5) vs. (#34) Texas A&M (8-4)

Holiday Bowl - #18 Wisconsin (9-3) vs. (#32) Southern Cal (8-5)

Peach Bowl - #12 Houston (12-1) vs. #9 Florida St. (10-2)

Hall of Fame Bowl - #8 Northwestern (10-2) vs. (#26) Tennessee (8-4)

Citrus Bowl - #16 Michigan (9-3) vs. #20 Florida (10-3)

Fiesta Bowl - #11 Notre Dame (10-2) vs. #5 Ohio St. (11-1)

Rose Bowl - #6 Iowa (12-1) vs. #7 Stanford (11-2)

Sugar Bowl - #14 Oklahoma St. (10-2) vs. #15 Ole Miss (9-3)

Gator Bowl - Penn St. (7-5) vs. #24 Georgia (9-3)

Liberty Bowl - Kansas St. (6-6) vs. Arkansas (7-5)

Alamo Bowl - #17 Oregon (9-3) vs. #10 TCU (10-2)

Copper Bowl - West Virginia (7-5) vs. Arizona St. (6-6)

Orange Bowl - #1 Clemson (13-0) vs. #4 Oklahoma (11-1)

Cotton Bowl - #2 Alabama (12-1) vs. #3 Michigan St. (12-1)

College Football Championship Game - #1 Clemson vs. #3 Michigan State