European Migrant Crisis Megathread

[Tierra Prime]

Britain has official Sharia tribunals that can oversee matters relating to Islam and Muslim families.

Some of the people involved with these tribunals have tried to set up Sharia zones and Sharia police forces.

I'm pretty sure the same thing has been happening in France, Germany, and Sweden, because they also have a lot of Muslims.

Oh not this uninformed moronic shit again.

Wow, what great way of making a point, I'm so convinced.

[L Ron Cupboard]

Oh not this uninformed moronic shit again.

Wow, what great way of making a point, I'm so convinced.

You were wrong last time you posted about these Sharia Councils, and you are wrong this time. Back it up with sources rather than just asserting something that is misinformed - that is how you should be making the point.

[Tierra Prime]

Wow, what great way of making a point, I'm so convinced.

You were wrong last time you posted about these Sharia Councils, and you are wrong this time. Back it up with sources rather than just asserting something that is misinformed - that is how you should be making the point.

I've never posted about Sharia councils before or talked with you before today, so get your names straight.

You're so quick to assert I'm wrong to save face after your ad hominem that it's clear you know absolutely nothing about any of this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Ar ... n_Tribunal

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/23/contents

https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/48352

http://www.onelawforall.org.uk/

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3555/ ... law-london

[Eol Sha]

You were wrong last time you posted about these Sharia Councils, and you are wrong this time. Back it up with sources rather than just asserting something that is misinformed - that is how you should be making the point.

I've never posted about Sharia councils before or talked with you before today, so get your names straight.

You're so quick to assert I'm wrong to save face after your ad hominem that it's clear you know absolutely nothing about any of this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Ar ... n_Tribunal

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/23/contents

https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/48352

http://www.onelawforall.org.uk/

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3555/ ... law-london

From reading the Wikipedia article, it doesn't seem like these courts can do anything of real note.

[Tierra Prime]

I've never posted about Sharia councils before or talked with you before today, so get your names straight.

You're so quick to assert I'm wrong to save face after your ad hominem that it's clear you know absolutely nothing about any of this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Ar ... n_Tribunal

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/23/contents

https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/48352

http://www.onelawforall.org.uk/

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3555/ ... law-london

From reading the Wikipedia article, it doesn't seem like these courts can do anything of real note.

They still exist as sanctioned legal bodies.

They can only rule on Muslim divorces and family matters, but that's already too much.

Civil law exists for a reason. There aren't Christian-specific courts in secular countries, so why are Islamic courts needed?

[Geilinor]

Oh not this uninformed moronic shit again.

Wow, what great way of making a point, I'm so convinced.

There are no Sharia police forces.

[L Ron Cupboard]

I've never posted about Sharia councils before or talked with you before today, so get your names straight.

You're so quick to assert I'm wrong to save face after your ad hominem that it's clear you know absolutely nothing about any of this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Ar ... n_Tribunal

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/23/contents

https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/48352

http://www.onelawforall.org.uk/

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3555/ ... law-london

From reading the Wikipedia article, it doesn't seem like these courts can do anything of real note.

They can't. They are merely a form of voluntary arbitration people can choose to take. Not ebil mooslims setting up no go zones.

[Tierra Prime]

Wow, what great way of making a point, I'm so convinced.

There are no Sharia police forces.

Not officially, they are little more than gangs, but they still exist in the likes of London and Paris.

[Tierra Prime]

From reading the Wikipedia article, it doesn't seem like these courts can do anything of real note.

They can't. They are merely a form of voluntary arbitration people can choose to take. Not ebil mooslims setting up no go zones.

Muslims have tried and do try to set up Sharia zones in cities. The powers of the court are meaningless, the fact it exists is the point.

[L Ron Cupboard]

They can only rule on Muslim divorces and family matters, but that's already too much.

The Muslim Arbitration Tribunal has no powers to grant a divorce which is valid in English and Welsh law.

Not really very official then, eh?

[Geilinor]

From reading the Wikipedia article, it doesn't seem like these courts can do anything of real note.

They still exist as sanctioned legal bodies.

They can only rule on Muslim divorces and family matters, but that's already too much.

Civil law exists for a reason. There aren't Christian-specific courts in secular countries, so why are Islamic courts needed?

They aren't courts - arbitration is for people who want to avoid court.

[Imperializt Russia]

How are hate speech laws bad? Muslims aren't the only people they protect, they protect people who need protecting. People the majority seem to take all too much pleasure in deriding or opposing.

Disagree with Islam, and you are guilty of Islamophobia. I personally consider Islam worse than Christianity, which I already consider to be backwards.

Protecting homosexuals and transsexuals from harm is fine, I don't have a problem with those hate speech laws, but religion is fair game as far as I'm concerned.

http://www.unilad.co.uk/articles/muslim ... after-911/

What evidence is there that law enforcement has just given up?

In France, it's gotten so bad that they had to give up.

>gatestoneinstitute

Got another?

You were wrong last time you posted about these Sharia Councils, and you are wrong this time. Back it up with sources rather than just asserting something that is misinformed - that is how you should be making the point.

I've never posted about Sharia councils before or talked with you before today, so get your names straight.

You're so quick to assert I'm wrong to save face after your ad hominem that it's clear you know absolutely nothing about any of this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Ar ... n_Tribunal

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/23/contents

https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/48352

http://www.onelawforall.org.uk/

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3555/ ... law-london

Do you even fucking live here?

[Eol Sha]

From reading the Wikipedia article, it doesn't seem like these courts can do anything of real note.

They still exist as sanctioned legal bodies.

They can only rule on Muslim divorces and family matters, but that's already too much.

Civil law exists for a reason. There aren't Christian-specific courts in secular countries, so why are Islamic courts needed?

Rulings that only apply in instances involving reconciliation, I'd like to remind you.

I can understand the concern. I wouldn't want Muslim (or any religious) tribunals over here in the States. However, you and many others are crediting these courts (which aren't even real courts) with a level of power and influence that they don't seem to have.

As for why they exist, I certainly don't know. It may be best to research what was going on in the '90s in Britain to warrant the creation of these tribunals.

Also, the Gate Stone source has precious little to do with "sharia courts". A few radicals yelling at and beating up people, while horrific, isn't proof of anything except for the fact that there are radical Muslims bent on instating religious laws in a secular country. That's nothing new, to say the least. For Muslims and non-Muslims.

[Tierra Prime]

They can only rule on Muslim divorces and family matters, but that's already too much.

The Muslim Arbitration Tribunal has no powers to grant a divorce which is valid in English and Welsh law.

Not really very official then, eh?

The fact they are enshrined in law makes them official, or have you not been listening?

[L Ron Cupboard]

Not really very official then, eh?

The fact they are enshrined in law makes them official, or have you not been listening?

The fact they have no official powers makes them unofficial. There are plenty of bodies enshrined in UK law that are not official bodies.

[Unified Soviet Socialist Republics]

And well the whole business, I dont think the security situation in Germany is the best. Right-Wing Terrorism and all that.

[Tierra Prime]

Disagree with Islam, and you are guilty of Islamophobia. I personally consider Islam worse than Christianity, which I already consider to be backwards.

Protecting homosexuals and transsexuals from harm is fine, I don't have a problem with those hate speech laws, but religion is fair game as far as I'm concerned.

http://www.unilad.co.uk/articles/muslim ... after-911/

And your point is?

People named Adolf changed their name after World War II, so what is your point exactly?

>gatestoneinstitute

Got another?

You might consider this a biased source but it looks at them form both sides.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/europ ... or-fiction

http://www.europe1.fr/france/amiens-nor ... it-1204941

http://fr.novopress.info/177064/tribune ... -racaille/

http://www.europe1.fr/la_question_du_jo ... it-1614965

http://www.interieur.gouv.fr/Archives/A ... -Marseille

Do you even fucking live here?

No, but why does it matter? Is my opinion wrong simply because I don't happen to live in Britain?

[Tierra Prime]

The fact they are enshrined in law makes them official, or have you not been listening?

The fact they have no official powers makes them unofficial. There are plenty of bodies enshrined in UK law that are not official bodies.

The High Court can enforce their decisions.

"Rulings can be enforced in both the County Courts and the High Court."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Ar ... n_Tribunal

Look at the quote on the first page of the MAT's website.

"MAT was established to provide a viable alternative for the Muslim community seeking to resolve disputes in accordance with Islamic Sacred Law."

Why can't the Muslim community follow civil law, why do their disputes need to be resolved according to Islamic law? Worst of all is that it's considered "sacred."

http://www.matribunal.com/

[Imperializt Russia]

http://www.unilad.co.uk/articles/muslim ... after-911/

And your point is?

People named Adolf changed their name after World War II, so what is your point exactly?

>gatestoneinstitute

Got another?

You might consider this a biased source but it looks at them form both sides.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/europ ... or-fiction

http://www.europe1.fr/france/amiens-nor ... it-1204941

http://fr.novopress.info/177064/tribune ... -racaille/

http://www.europe1.fr/la_question_du_jo ... it-1614965

http://www.interieur.gouv.fr/Archives/A ... -Marseille

Do you even fucking live here?

No, but why does it matter? Is my opinion wrong simply because I don't happen to live in Britain?

You're telling two British people how Britain works. And telling us that we're wrong.
Colour me biased, but I think you don't know.

Jihadwatch is even worse than Gatestone, at least Gatestone aren't so openly anti-Muslims.

[Imperializt Russia]

The fact they have no official powers makes them unofficial. There are plenty of bodies enshrined in UK law that are not official bodies.

The High Court can enforce their decisions.

"Rulings can be enforced in both the County Courts and the High Court."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Ar ... n_Tribunal

Look at the quote on the first page of the MAT's website.

"MAT was established to provide a viable alternative for the Muslim community seeking to resolve disputes in accordance with Islamic Sacred Law."

Why can't the Muslim community follow civil law, why do their disputes need to be resolved according to Islamic law? Worst of all is that it's considered "sacred."

http://www.matribunal.com/

At the discretion of said County or High Court per their interpretation of the case or ruling.

It's not a rubber-stamp committee, you're talking about the British legal system.

[Tierra Prime]

snip

I might not live in Britain right now, but I have, and I am half-British.

Did you actually read the article, or did you just wave it away as biased?

It actually explores the phenomenon in depth by covering articles that say Sharia zones do and don't exist.

[Tierra Prime]

The High Court can enforce their decisions.

"Rulings can be enforced in both the County Courts and the High Court."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Ar ... n_Tribunal

Look at the quote on the first page of the MAT's website.

"MAT was established to provide a viable alternative for the Muslim community seeking to resolve disputes in accordance with Islamic Sacred Law."

Why can't the Muslim community follow civil law, why do their disputes need to be resolved according to Islamic law? Worst of all is that it's considered "sacred."

http://www.matribunal.com/

At the discretion of said County or High Court per their interpretation of the case or ruling.

It's not a rubber-stamp committee, you're talking about the British legal system.

Yes, the British legal system, which takes in account rulings made by Islamic courts, which are based in legislation.

[Imperializt Russia]

I would, and this is not a word of a lie, rather take the Daily Mail's advice than listen to Gatestone Institute, which openly has ties with Geert Wilder or Jihadwatch which is exactly as bad as Religionofpeace.org

[Gauthier]

I would, and this is not a word of a lie, rather take the Daily Mail's advice than listen to Gatestone Institute, which openly has ties with Geert Wilder or Jihadwatch which is exactly as bad as Religionofpeace.org

Just a matter of time before someone calls for putting Muslims into camps.

[Tierra Prime]

I would, and this is not a word of a lie, rather take the Daily Mail's advice than listen to Gatestone Institute, which openly has ties with Geert Wilder or Jihadwatch which is exactly as bad as Religionofpeace.org

That's irrelevant, did you read the article or just dismiss it? It might be a biased source, but it cites multiple sources, including interviews with French mayors and politicians.

The Daily Mail also reported on Sharia zones, will that convince you? The Telegraph did also, and multitudes of other tabloids. If they aren't enough, then I don't know what is.