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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:27 am

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
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That is bollocks.


Well, in fairness, we yanks have had a rich history in regards to literature.

Indeed. In fact, I believe the critically acclaimed Twilight series was written by an American.

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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:28 am

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That is bollocks.

Shakespeare...Spencer...the saga of Beowulf...Milton...

Well, Beowulf isn't really English, per say. At least, not as we think of it now.

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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:35 am

Merizoc wrote:
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Well, in fairness, we yanks have had a rich history in regards to literature.

Indeed. In fact, I believe the critically acclaimed Twilight series was written by an American.


I was referencing genius literature written by Twain, Edgar Allen Poe, Stephen King, Langston Hughes, and many others.

In fact, I believe the critically acclaimed Harry Potter series was written by a Brit. ;)
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:37 am

Russia, France and India all have rich literary histories as well.

What exactly was the point.
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:37 am

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Indeed. In fact, I believe the critically acclaimed Twilight series was written by an American.


I was referencing genius literature written by Twain, Edgar Allen Poe, Stephen King, Langston Hughes, and many others.

In fact, I believe the critically acclaimed Harry Potter series was written by a Brit. ;)

Nah. You were referencing Twilight. Fess up.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:50 am

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Indeed. In fact, I believe the critically acclaimed Twilight series was written by an American.


I was referencing genius literature written by Twain, Edgar Allen Poe, Stephen King, Langston Hughes, and many others.

In fact, I believe the critically acclaimed Harry Potter series was written by a Brit. ;)


I daresay that Potter is several orders of magnitude better than twilight ;)

Of course, when talking fantasy, the Brits also have Pratchett, Tolkien, Lewis, Adams, Gaiman, Dahl, Pullman etc. That slightly makes up for Potter :P
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Postby Tierra Prime » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:01 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:Russia, France and India all have rich literary histories as well.

What exactly was the point.

The point was that America was a melting pot from the very beginning, which its culture shows, while Europe has always had its own native culture.

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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:05 am

Tierra Prime wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Russia, France and India all have rich literary histories as well.

What exactly was the point.

The point was that America was a melting pot from the very beginning, which its culture shows, while Europe has always had its own native culture.

And immigrants will somehow ruin your cultural purity.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:06 am

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Tierra Prime wrote:The point was that America was a melting pot from the very beginning, which its culture shows, while Europe has always had its own native culture.

And immigrants will somehow ruin your cultural purity.

Well, the immigrants did destroy the own native culture of America...
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Postby Imperialisium » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:08 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:And immigrants will somehow ruin your cultural purity.

Well, the immigrants did destroy the own native culture of America...

This...does have a valid point.
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Postby Tierra Prime » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:14 am

Kelinfort wrote:
Tierra Prime wrote:The point was that America was a melting pot from the very beginning, which its culture shows, while Europe has always had its own native culture.

And immigrants will somehow ruin your cultural purity.

Yes, look what happened with the Irish plantations and the colonisation of Africa and the Americas.

In all seriousness though, what I actually fear for is the dismantling of secularism and free speech in Europe.

The rise of Sharia committees, hate speech laws, and the pandering the EU has done to Muslims to appear "multicultural" is not good.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:19 am

Tierra Prime wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:And immigrants will somehow ruin your cultural purity.

Yes, look what happened with the Irish plantations and the colonisation of Africa and the Americas.

In all seriousness though, what I actually fear for is the dismantling of secularism and free speech in Europe.

The rise of Sharia committees, hate speech laws, and the pandering the EU has done to Muslims to appear "multicultural" is not good.

How are hate speech laws bad? Muslims aren't the only people they protect, they protect people who need protecting. People the majority seem to take all too much pleasure in deriding or opposing.
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Postby Imperialisium » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:23 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Tierra Prime wrote:Yes, look what happened with the Irish plantations and the colonisation of Africa and the Americas.

In all seriousness though, what I actually fear for is the dismantling of secularism and free speech in Europe.

The rise of Sharia committees, hate speech laws, and the pandering the EU has done to Muslims to appear "multicultural" is not good.

How are hate speech laws bad? Muslims aren't the only people they protect, they protect people who need protecting. People the majority seem to take all too much pleasure in deriding or opposing.

I think the hate speech was more the fact Muslims can parade around yelling obscenities but as soon as the natives do the same they get arrested or tear gassed.

I know that's happened a couple times but I may also be misunderstanding that remark.

Perhaps some clarification?
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:23 am

Tierra Prime wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:And immigrants will somehow ruin your cultural purity.

Yes, look what happened with the Irish plantations and the colonisation of Africa and the Americas.

In all seriousness though, what I actually fear for is the dismantling of secularism and free speech in Europe.

The rise of Sharia committees, hate speech laws, and the pandering the EU has done to Muslims to appear "multicultural" is not good.

What are "sharia committees" and in what European countries are they located in?
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Postby Imperialisium » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:25 am

Eol Sha wrote:
Tierra Prime wrote:Yes, look what happened with the Irish plantations and the colonisation of Africa and the Americas.

In all seriousness though, what I actually fear for is the dismantling of secularism and free speech in Europe.

The rise of Sharia committees, hate speech laws, and the pandering the EU has done to Muslims to appear "multicultural" is not good.

What are "sharia committees" and in what European countries are they located in?

Basically where the Muslim population now out numbers the natives they want to have Sharia Law replace the secular laws of the natives.

France actually has a big problem with this. Increasingly in Southern France the police cannot enter neighborhoods except in large numbers out of fear of being attacked.
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:28 am

Imperialisium wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:What are "sharia committees" and in what European countries are they located in?

Basically where the Muslim population now out numbers the natives they want to have Sharia Law replace the secular laws of the natives.

France actually has a big problem with this. Increasingly in Southern France the police cannot enter neighborhoods except in large numbers out of fear of being attacked.


Indeed. In Marseille and Bordeaux, muslim homophobia and anti semitism has driven out large droves of jews and homosexuals. In these same cities, gang wars have become infinitely more common, as has welfare use, crime, and other major social issues.

Of course, we must avoid scapegoating and blanketing all Muslims under one umbrella, but we also must recognize that multiculturalism has failed, and that cultural integration and immigration restrictions are necessary. If that's radical, then call me and most of Europe extremist.
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:30 am

Imperialisium wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:What are "sharia committees" and in what European countries are they located in?

Basically where the Muslim population now out numbers the natives they want to have Sharia Law replace the secular laws of the natives.

France actually has a big problem with this. Increasingly in Southern France the police cannot enter neighborhoods except in large numbers out of fear of being attacked.

Do they carry the force of law, though? Desire amongst the local populace is different from statutory laws instituted by the government. I think its also important to remember that local communities have precious little room for creating their own laws that aren't required to go through the French national government.

I find the latter statement hard to believe. Although, I am aware of the ongoing problems Marseille is going through in regards to crime and the black market.
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:30 am

Tierra Prime wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:And immigrants will somehow ruin your cultural purity.

Yes, look what happened with the Irish plantations and the colonisation of Africa and the Americas.

In all seriousness though, what I actually fear for is the dismantling of secularism and free speech in Europe.

The rise of Sharia committees, hate speech laws, and the pandering the EU has done to Muslims to appear "multicultural" is not good.

Just keep your protections in place. Even if every single immigrant remains reactionary, they'll always be a tiny minority.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:33 am

Eol Sha wrote:
Imperialisium wrote:Basically where the Muslim population now out numbers the natives they want to have Sharia Law replace the secular laws of the natives.

France actually has a big problem with this. Increasingly in Southern France the police cannot enter neighborhoods except in large numbers out of fear of being attacked.

Do they carry the force of law, though? Desire amongst the local populace is different from statutory laws instituted by the government. I think its also important to remember that local communities have precious little room for creating their own laws that aren't required to go through the French national government.


If the unofficial Sharia police decides you need to be whipped, you get whipped. As long as the official police does nothing to stop that... what does it matter that the Sharia police is unofficial ?
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Postby Tierra Prime » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:34 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Tierra Prime wrote:Yes, look what happened with the Irish plantations and the colonisation of Africa and the Americas.

In all seriousness though, what I actually fear for is the dismantling of secularism and free speech in Europe.

The rise of Sharia committees, hate speech laws, and the pandering the EU has done to Muslims to appear "multicultural" is not good.

How are hate speech laws bad? Muslims aren't the only people they protect, they protect people who need protecting. People the majority seem to take all too much pleasure in deriding or opposing.

Disagree with Islam, and you are guilty of Islamophobia. I personally consider Islam worse than Christianity, which I already consider to be backwards.

Protecting homosexuals and transsexuals from harm is fine, I don't have a problem with those hate speech laws, but religion is fair game as far as I'm concerned.

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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:35 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Do they carry the force of law, though? Desire amongst the local populace is different from statutory laws instituted by the government. I think its also important to remember that local communities have precious little room for creating their own laws that aren't required to go through the French national government.


If the unofficial Sharia police decides you need to be whipped, you get whipped. As long as the official police does nothing to stop that... what does it matter that the Sharia police is unofficial ?

What evidence is there that law enforcement has just given up?
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:38 am

Eol Sha wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
If the unofficial Sharia police decides you need to be whipped, you get whipped. As long as the official police does nothing to stop that... what does it matter that the Sharia police is unofficial ?

What evidence is there that law enforcement has just given up?


In France, it's gotten so bad that they had to give up.
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Postby Tierra Prime » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:39 am

Eol Sha wrote:
Tierra Prime wrote:Yes, look what happened with the Irish plantations and the colonisation of Africa and the Americas.

In all seriousness though, what I actually fear for is the dismantling of secularism and free speech in Europe.

The rise of Sharia committees, hate speech laws, and the pandering the EU has done to Muslims to appear "multicultural" is not good.

What are "sharia committees" and in what European countries are they located in?

Britain has official Sharia tribunals that can oversee matters relating to Islam and Muslim families.

Some of the people involved with these tribunals have tried to set up Sharia zones and Sharia police forces.

I'm pretty sure the same thing has been happening in France, Germany, and Sweden, because they also have a lot of Muslims.

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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:42 am

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:What evidence is there that law enforcement has just given up?


In France, it's gotten so bad that they had to give up.

Governments need to grow a backbone.

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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:44 am

Tierra Prime wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:What are "sharia committees" and in what European countries are they located in?

Britain has official Sharia tribunals that can oversee matters relating to Islam and Muslim families.

Some of the people involved with these tribunals have tried to set up Sharia zones and Sharia police forces.

I'm pretty sure the same thing has been happening in France, Germany, and Sweden, because they also have a lot of Muslims.


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