European Migrant Crisis Megathread

[Bratislavskaya]

See Germany is resilient because it has one central culture and people. The German system works because it is run by Germans working towards a common goal.

"Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer"
Thus is why people compare the anti-immigration crowd to the Nazis.

[Imperializt Russia]

What do you mean, "it doesn't work"? Are you saying that including people in society is a failure?

No. I'm saying that multiculturalism itself doesn't work if one or both parties doesn't like the other. Germany has tried since the 1960s to have a functioning multicultural society. In some cases when the immigration was tightly regulated and controlled it worked well. But when vast amounts of people come in and many of them don't particularly like the German culture that leads to problems. Or for that matter want to destroy or replace the German culture...problems arise.

It's like if I welcomed you with open arms and instead you flip the bird and slap me in the face. Then we are crammed into a single room and forced to live together. See how there might be some issues?

There are Germans in Germany who want to destroy or replace the German culture, "German culture" presently being said multicultural society and want to wind the clock back either seventy or two hundred years.

[Imperialisium]

See Germany is resilient because it has one central culture and people. The German system works because it is run by Germans working towards a common goal.

"Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer"
Thus is why people compare the anti-immigration crowd to the Nazis.

"You're either pro immigration or you're a horrible person."

Why the pro immigration crowd can be compared to narrow minded bigots. It works both ways.

German culture itself is not multicultural. German society is/trying to be or at least be tolerant.

[Gauthier]

"Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer"
Thus is why people compare the anti-immigration crowd to the Nazis.

"You're either pro immigration or you're a horrible person."

Why the pro immigration crowd can be compared to narrow minded bigots. It works both ways.

German culture itself is not multicultural. German society is/trying to be or at least be tolerant.

The country that invented and implemented lebensraum now trying to bar people from moving into it. Irony.

[Unified Gibbons]

There is a similar crisis going on in Macedonia. There is no good or bad when it comes to the migrant crisis there, migrants from Syria and several other places having been struggling there at the border, while others are being tear gassed by border guards. An article about it:http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/22/europe/europe-macedonia-migrant-crisis/index.html

Good.

I don't think you read the article. There were several children there crying of hunger as border guards refused to let them in or even help them in Macedonia.

[Imperialisium]

"You're either pro immigration or you're a horrible person."

Why the pro immigration crowd can be compared to narrow minded bigots. It works both ways.

German culture itself is not multicultural. German society is/trying to be or at least be tolerant.

The country that invented and implemented lebensraum now trying to bar people from moving into it. Irony.

Lebensraum was meant only for Germans or "Germanic" people's. Not really irony since it was only meant for one culture group. Even then the concept is pretty much abandoned since 1945 due to Germany not conquering large swathes of Eastern Europe.

[Imperializt Russia]

The country that invented and implemented lebensraum now trying to bar people from moving into it. Irony.

Lebensraum was meant only for Germans or "Germanic" people's. Not really irony since it was only meant for one culture group. Even then the concept is pretty much abandoned since 1945 due to Germany not conquering large swathes of Eastern Europe.

"Your land is now ours for the pure races, get out"
Fast forward seventy years,
"My land is now ours for the pure races, get out"

[Baltenstein]

"You're either pro immigration or you're a horrible person."

Why the pro immigration crowd can be compared to narrow minded bigots. It works both ways.

German culture itself is not multicultural. German society is/trying to be or at least be tolerant.

The country that invented and implemented lebensraum now trying to bar people from moving into it. Irony.

Yes, Imperialisium is the country that invented and implemented Lebensraum.

[Tierra Prime]

I didn't say that either, of course America has its ideals, but they are based mainly on older concepts.

There is more to America than petty ideals. There is a people, a culture, and a history. Sure, it's a lot shorter than other histories, but we still have one.

My point was that it's based mainly on concepts borrowed from other cultures because America is a melting pot, a constructed nation.

The American Dream is based on the ideals of the French Revolution, which was based on the ideals of the Roman Republic, and so on.

[Tierra Prime]

*points to countless examples of American literature*

Did we borrow Mark Twain, too?

One thing we can agree on: the US definitely has its own culture.

A constructed culture, yes, that's a mash up of various other cultures.

Therefore, there is no "American culture" - there is only the melting pot of ideals.

[Teemant]

"You're either pro immigration or you're a horrible person."

Why the pro immigration crowd can be compared to narrow minded bigots. It works both ways.

German culture itself is not multicultural. German society is/trying to be or at least be tolerant.

The country that invented and implemented lebensraum now trying to bar people from moving into it. Irony.

It seems that SJWs can't get over Germany's past. People living today are not responsible for what happened then and 1/5 of German population is already foreign. Can't say like they have closed door policies.

[Tierra Prime]

I didn't say that either, of course America has its ideals, but they are based mainly on older concepts.

if you don't think that america has its own unique cultural identity (however heavily borrowed), then you haven't left it at any point in your life for long enough.

I didn't said it doesn't have its own identity, but that said identity was constructed from various others.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

German culture itself is not multicultural.

Sure it is. 'Germany' itself didn't exist before 1871, after all. Before that it was a collection of states speaking languages and utilizing cultures of varying degrees of relatedness, with significant minorities speaking languages like Sorbian, Czech, Polish, Frisian and Danish. Then there's the continuum between Low and High German dialects, which some argue linguists could be strong enough to constitute a couple of different distinct languages.

The extent to which the German government opposed/supported those cultures may have varied, but 'German' culture has always been multicultural.

[Imperialisium]

German culture itself is not multicultural.

Sure it is. 'Germany' itself didn't exist before 1871, after all. Before that it was a collection of states speaking languages and utilizing cultures of varying degrees of relatedness, with significant minorities speaking languages like Sorbian, Czech, Polish, Frisian and Danish. Then there's the continuum between Low and High German dialects, which some argue linguists could be strong enough to constitute a couple of different distinct languages.

The extent to which the German government opposed/supported those cultures may have varied, but 'German' culture has always been multicultural.

The culture throughout what was considered Germany was more or less universal. they where all of the same culture (German or Germanic) and spoke the same language. Obviously due to the political situation national borders often incorporated non-German speakers and ethnicities. But overall the lands called "Germany" was culturally United. Politically and economically that is a different story.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

Sure it is. 'Germany' itself didn't exist before 1871, after all. Before that it was a collection of states speaking languages and utilizing cultures of varying degrees of relatedness, with significant minorities speaking languages like Sorbian, Czech, Polish, Frisian and Danish. Then there's the continuum between Low and High German dialects, which some argue linguists could be strong enough to constitute a couple of different distinct languages.

The extent to which the German government opposed/supported those cultures may have varied, but 'German' culture has always been multicultural.

The culture throughout what was considered Germany was more or less universal. they where all of the same culture (German or Germanic) and spoke the same language. Obviously due to the political situation national borders often incorporated non-German speakers and ethnicities. But overall the lands called "Germany" was culturally United. Politically and economically that is a different story.

Again, they weren't culturally united. Bavarian German/Austrian German is only partially intelligible with Standard German, for instance. Until recently, large parts of northern Germany spoke a language called Low German that was more closely related to Dutch than it was Standard German, and could even be considered its own separate language.

Besides which, if speaking a Germanic language qualifies one to be of 'German' culture, then you'd better throw all the English speakers, Scandinavians, Dutch and Flemish in there too.

[Imperialisium]

The culture throughout what was considered Germany was more or less universal. they where all of the same culture (German or Germanic) and spoke the same language. Obviously due to the political situation national borders often incorporated non-German speakers and ethnicities. But overall the lands called "Germany" was culturally United. Politically and economically that is a different story.

Again, they weren't culturally united. Bavarian German/Austrian German is only partially intelligible with Standard German, for instance. Until recently, large parts of northern Germany spoke a language called Low German that was more closely related to Dutch than it was Standard German, and could even be considered its own separate language.

Besides which, if speaking a Germanic language qualifies one to be of 'German' culture, then you'd better throw all the English speakers, Scandinavians, Dutch and Flemish in there too.

All those are dialects. Low German is a grouping of German dialects. I should know since I live there. Not separate languages no matter how many colloquialisms and inflictions there are. A speaker of Low German could go to Austria and understand (sure there might be some difficulties but that is true for everywhere. Someone from New York goes to Kentucky they might have issues understanding the people there or what they call certain things). Hell when I travel to Austria I understand just fine. When I go to the Netherlands I can get the gist of what they are saying. I can't give perfect translations but I could do well enough to live there.

Yes, culturally all of those are similar to varying degrees. Obviously the Dutch are more similar to the Germans and the Swedes are more similar to the Norwegians for example. But historically Germany was the lands of the people living in Central Europe largely encompasses by the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation and before that.

Germanic is the cultural and language group meaning all the people who have Germanic genetic ancestry and language heritage whom also share historical and contemporary similarities.

[Sam Hyde]

There is more to America than petty ideals. There is a people, a culture, and a history. Sure, it's a lot shorter than other histories, but we still have one.

My point was that it's based mainly on concepts borrowed from other cultures because America is a melting pot, a constructed nation.

The American Dream is based on the ideals of the French Revolution, which was based on the ideals of the Roman Republic, and so on.

Actually, the idea that America is a melting pot is a 20th century idea. You clearly are ignorant of our history if you think it's constructed.

Most literary classics of the English-speaking world were written by Americans.

[Sam Hyde]

One thing we can agree on: the US definitely has its own culture.

A constructed culture, yes, that's a mash up of various other cultures.

Therefore, there is no "American culture" - there is only the melting pot of ideals.

>what is Mark Twain

[L Ron Cupboard]

Most literary classics of the English-speaking world were written by Americans.

That is bollocks.

[Imperialisium]

Most literary classics of the English-speaking world were written by Americans.

That is bollocks.

Shakespeare...Spencer...the saga of Beowulf...Milton...

[Tierra Prime]

My point was that it's based mainly on concepts borrowed from other cultures because America is a melting pot, a constructed nation.

The American Dream is based on the ideals of the French Revolution, which was based on the ideals of the Roman Republic, and so on.

Actually, the idea that America is a melting pot is a 20th century idea. You clearly are ignorant of our history if you think it's constructed.

America has been a melting pot from the very beginning, of all peoples from Europe and beyond. You are clearly ignorant of your own history.

Most literary classics of the English-speaking world were written by Americans.

Well, you clearly know nothing about literature.

[Tierra Prime]

A constructed culture, yes, that's a mash up of various other cultures.

Therefore, there is no "American culture" - there is only the melting pot of ideals.

>what is Mark Twain

One American writer out of hundreds who wrote in English, the majority of which were British.

[Tierra Prime]

"You're either pro immigration or you're a horrible person."

Why the pro immigration crowd can be compared to narrow minded bigots. It works both ways.

German culture itself is not multicultural. German society is/trying to be or at least be tolerant.

The country that invented and implemented lebensraum now trying to bar people from moving into it. Irony.

That happened over seventy years ago, and it's not even a valid point.

So you're saying the German people cannot decide their future because of the past?

You're saying that if the German people decide to end immigration, as is their democratic right, they would be Nazis?

[Tierra Prime]

The culture throughout what was considered Germany was more or less universal. they where all of the same culture (German or Germanic) and spoke the same language. Obviously due to the political situation national borders often incorporated non-German speakers and ethnicities. But overall the lands called "Germany" was culturally United. Politically and economically that is a different story.

Again, they weren't culturally united. Bavarian German/Austrian German is only partially intelligible with Standard German, for instance. Until recently, large parts of northern Germany spoke a language called Low German that was more closely related to Dutch than it was Standard German, and could even be considered its own separate language.

Besides which, if speaking a Germanic language qualifies one to be of 'German' culture, then you'd better throw all the English speakers, Scandinavians, Dutch and Flemish in there too.

There has always been a general idea of what is Germany and what is German culture. See the later Holy Roman Empire and the German Confederation.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Most literary classics of the English-speaking world were written by Americans.

That is bollocks.

Well, in fairness, we yanks have had a rich history in regards to literature.