European Migrant Crisis Megathread

[Tierra Prime]

America is a melting-pot, there is no such thing as "American culture" or whatever, but European culture is most certainly real.

Yep, no people live in the US.

Those are your words, not mine.

I said America doesn't have a native culture like Europe, unless you count the Indians.

The "American culture" is a mash up of ideals and concepts taken mainly from Europe, there is no American language, ect.

[Geilinor]

…Canada, the country that relies heavily on immigration to sustain its population?

The growth rate is 0.76%.

It has slowed down since the 60's, but it's still 10% every decade.

Most of that is because of immigration. http://www.indexmundi.com/canada/net_migration_rate.html

[MERIZoC]

…Canada, the country that relies heavily on immigration to sustain its population?

The growth rate is 0.76%.

It has slowed down since the 60's, but it's still 10% every decade.

Uhh, growth rate is 1.238%.

And immigration is a significant part of that.
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-630-x/11-630-x2014001-eng.htm

[Tierra Prime]

The growth rate is 0.76%.

It has slowed down since the 60's, but it's still 10% every decade.

Uhh, growth rate is 1.238%.

And immigration is a significant part of that.
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-630-x/11-630-x2014001-eng.htm

Indexmundi says it's 0.76% but I'd be much more likely to trust the government link.

I'm not disagreeing that immigration helps increase the growth rate, I'm saying that greater financial incentives could solve the low birth rate issue.

[Unified Gibbons]

There is a similar crisis going on in Macedonia. There is no good or bad when it comes to the migrant crisis there, migrants from Syria and several other places having been struggling there at the border, while others are being tear gassed by border guards. An article about it:http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/22/europe/europe-macedonia-migrant-crisis/index.html

[Zaereas]

There is a similar crisis going on in Macedonia. There is no good or bad when it comes to the migrant crisis there, migrants from Syria and several other places having been struggling there at the border, while others are being tear gassed by border guards. An article about it:http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/22/europe/europe-macedonia-migrant-crisis/index.html

Good.

[Othelos]

Yep, no people live in the US.

Those are your words, not mine.

I said America doesn't have a native culture like Europe, unless you count the Indians.

The "American culture" is a mash up of ideals and concepts taken mainly from Europe, there is no American language, ect.

right, we haven't created anything of our own. It's all borrowed.

[Tierra Prime]

Those are your words, not mine.

I said America doesn't have a native culture like Europe, unless you count the Indians.

The "American culture" is a mash up of ideals and concepts taken mainly from Europe, there is no American language, ect.

right, we haven't created anything of our own. It's all borrowed.

I didn't say that either, of course America has its ideals, but they are based mainly on older concepts.

[Infected Mushroom]

This is indeed cause for concern.

I think Germany should close/regulate its borders.

Germany can't support all these newcomers. Also, culturally they won't fit.

[Fartsniffage]

This is indeed cause for concern.

I think Germany should close/regulate its borders.

Germany can't support all these newcomers. Also, culturally they won't fit.

So when are you moving out of Canada?

[Othelos]

right, we haven't created anything of our own. It's all borrowed.

I didn't say that either, of course America has its ideals, but they are based mainly on older concepts.

if you don't think that america has its own unique cultural identity (however heavily borrowed), then you haven't left it at any point in your life for long enough.

[Marcurix]

The issue with population growth can easily be solved, just look at Russia and Canada.

My country doesn't even have an issue with population growth, so we don't need immigration at all.

…Canada, the country that relies heavily on immigration to sustain its population?

Indeed.

Though it is a points based system of a sort, Canada makes it work quite well.

[Sam Hyde]

Those are your words, not mine.

I said America doesn't have a native culture like Europe, unless you count the Indians.

The "American culture" is a mash up of ideals and concepts taken mainly from Europe, there is no American language, ect.

right, we haven't created anything of our own. It's all borrowed.

*points to countless examples of American literature*

Did we borrow Mark Twain, too?

[Sam Hyde]

right, we haven't created anything of our own. It's all borrowed.

I didn't say that either, of course America has its ideals, but they are based mainly on older concepts.

There is more to America than petty ideals. There is a people, a culture, and a history. Sure, it's a lot shorter than other histories, but we still have one.

[Kelinfort]

right, we haven't created anything of our own. It's all borrowed.

*points to countless examples of American literature*

Did we borrow Mark Twain, too?

One thing we can agree on: the US definitely has its own culture.

[NeuPolska]

This is indeed cause for concern.

I think Germany should close/regulate its borders.

Germany can't support all these newcomers. Also, culturally they won't fit.

For once I support what Infected Mushroom has to say.

The cultural mix is just too great to allow for anything good to come out of this. Germany needs to put a strictly enforced restriction on immigration. Some is fine, but mass numbers are not, especially in a situation like this one where the housing is a problem by itself without the immigrants.

[Othelos]

This is indeed cause for concern.

I think Germany should close/regulate its borders.

Germany can't support all these newcomers. Also, culturally they won't fit.

As germany has proven, it is pretty resilient. It'll be fine, as long as people don't let their anti-immigration sentiment reach a boiling point.

[Imperialisium]

This is indeed cause for concern.

I think Germany should close/regulate its borders.

Germany can't support all these newcomers. Also, culturally they won't fit.

As germany has proven, it is pretty resilient. It'll be fine, as long as people don't let their anti-immigration sentiment reach a boiling point.

Oh it'll be fine...what's the worst that can happen. *economic collapse or instability, societal infighting and strife, rise in crime, and polarization of political system*

But those things are impossible and will never ever happen. See Germany is resilient because it has one central culture and people. The German system works because it is run by Germans working towards a common goal.

[Infected Mushroom]

This is indeed cause for concern.

I think Germany should close/regulate its borders.

Germany can't support all these newcomers. Also, culturally they won't fit.

So when are you moving out of Canada?

I have no plans to move out of Canada. Why do you ask?

[Othelos]

As germany has proven, it is pretty resilient. It'll be fine, as long as people don't let their anti-immigration sentiment reach a boiling point.

Oh it'll be fine...what's the worst that can happen. *economic collapse or instability, societal infighting and strife, rise in crime, and polarization of political system*

But those things are impossible and will never ever happen. See Germany is resilient because it has one central culture and people. The German system works because it is run by Germans working towards a common goal.

Hey, maybe instead of deliberately excluding these people (and therefore pushing them to behave negatively), help them integrate and make them join the system.

[Imperialisium]

Oh it'll be fine...what's the worst that can happen. *economic collapse or instability, societal infighting and strife, rise in crime, and polarization of political system*

But those things are impossible and will never ever happen. See Germany is resilient because it has one central culture and people. The German system works because it is run by Germans working towards a common goal.

Hey, maybe instead of deliberately excluding these people (and therefore pushing them to behave negatively), help them integrate and make them join the system.

Yeah, we've tried that for a few decades now and it still doesn't work. Nor did Germany deliberately exclude them. Rather all other options have failed and quite simply given the internal problems in Germany it cannot support more and more people crossing the borders unchecked or in such vast numbers

[Othelos]

Hey, maybe instead of deliberately excluding these people (and therefore pushing them to behave negatively), help them integrate and make them join the system.

Yeah, we've tried that for a few decades now and it still doesn't work. Nor did Germany deliberately exclude them. Rather all other options have failed and quite simply given the internal problems in Germany it cannot support more and more people crossing the borders unchecked or in such vast numbers

What do you mean, "it doesn't work"? Are you saying that including people in society is a failure?

[Imperialisium]

Yeah, we've tried that for a few decades now and it still doesn't work. Nor did Germany deliberately exclude them. Rather all other options have failed and quite simply given the internal problems in Germany it cannot support more and more people crossing the borders unchecked or in such vast numbers

What do you mean, "it doesn't work"? Are you saying that including people in society is a failure?

No. I'm saying that multiculturalism itself doesn't work if one or both parties doesn't like the other. Germany has tried since the 1960s to have a functioning multicultural society. In some cases when the immigration was tightly regulated and controlled it worked well. But when vast amounts of people come in and many of them don't particularly like the German culture that leads to problems. Or for that matter want to destroy or replace the German culture...problems arise.

It's like if I welcomed you with open arms and instead you flip the bird and slap me in the face. Then we are crammed into a single room and forced to live together. See how there might be some issues?

[Othelos]

What do you mean, "it doesn't work"? Are you saying that including people in society is a failure?

No. I'm saying that multiculturalism itself doesn't work if one or both parties doesn't like the other. Germany has tried since the 1960s to have a functioning multicultural society. In some cases when the immigration was tightly regulated and controlled it worked well. But when vast amounts of people come in and many of them don't particularly like the German culture that leads to problems. Or for that matter want to destroy or replace the German culture...problems arise.

It's like if I welcomed you with open arms and instead you flip the bird and slap me in the face. Then we are crammed into a single room and forced to live together. See how there might be some issues?

Who are the people trying to destroy german culture, and how? I mean besides radical islamists; those people can go fuck themselves.

[Imperialisium]

No. I'm saying that multiculturalism itself doesn't work if one or both parties doesn't like the other. Germany has tried since the 1960s to have a functioning multicultural society. In some cases when the immigration was tightly regulated and controlled it worked well. But when vast amounts of people come in and many of them don't particularly like the German culture that leads to problems. Or for that matter want to destroy or replace the German culture...problems arise.

It's like if I welcomed you with open arms and instead you flip the bird and slap me in the face. Then we are crammed into a single room and forced to live together. See how there might be some issues?

Who are the people trying to destroy german culture, and how? I mean besides radical islamists; those people can go fuck themselves.

Generally speaking many of these new immigrants seem to not particularly care much for it. Now I know that there are good apples among the bunch and they do not deserve the bad name given to them. But I find many of these new immigrants (simply from observation) do not want to learn German. They don't really want to work (legally at least) but expect all the benefits of our socialist system. They bring crime because Germany right now in terms of jobs and housing is going through some tough times. In many parts of Germany people now outnumber job availability and the market cannot readily expand to employ these people. So even if they wanted work they now can't find it anyways unless it's some below living wage gig. In particular many young immigrants view Germans with hostility and while not nearly always physical confrontation they do engage in verbal comments and remarks.

So it's really an iffy situation which makes this discussion hard to accurately come to conclusions in that media and personal experiences don't always see eye to eye. Do I think immigrants are all bad? Hell no, and inn a booming economy I support LEGAL immigration. Do I think we should be letting in hundreds of thousands that we can't really afford to integrate and make them self sufficient members of society? Again hell no, and it also screws over the immigrants that actually want to integrate and have a livable wage job.