European Migrant Crisis Megathread

[Schwere Panzer Abieltung 502]

Current Germans aren't responsible for the Nazis, but the African migrants aren't responsible for the situation which brought them to change which continent they're on. Why punish them for being born in a shitty place?

I'd ask why punish Germany when they have nothing to do with it?

So you'd consider an influx of foreign people to be a punishment? I fail to see why.

[Kelinfort]

I'd ask why punish Germany when they have nothing to do with it?

So you'd consider an influx of foreign people to be a punishment? I fail to see why.

They're brown, they smell funny, talk funny, eat weird food, and worship strange gods *nods*

[Gauthier]

So you'd consider an influx of foreign people to be a punishment? I fail to see why.

They're brown, they smell funny, talk funny, eat weird food, and worship strange gods *nods*

Cue rants about rioting and Raping Our White Women.

[Bratislavskaya]

Current Germans aren't responsible for the Nazis, but the African migrants aren't responsible for the situation which brought them to change which continent they're on. Why punish them for being born in a shitty place?

I'd ask why punish Germany when they have nothing to do with it?

Apart from the fact that it's not a form of Punishment, Germany has a lot to do with it. Less so than some other European nations, but it is still involved in many of the situations that cause problems that make people flee their home nations.

And that's not even my Communist viewpoint, if I was going to go into that then Germany would have a lot more to do with it.

[Seraven]

There won't be utopian multiculturalism that will last forever. It's just a transfer phase from one culture to other.

There's this place called the USA. And WASP culture has been in decline since 1800. No transfer of culture. No chaos from immigration.

And Indonesia, although USA is actually a country where the cultures are the mix of cultures being brought by the immigrants centuries ago, while Indonesia's culture is a mix of cultures from natives.

[Incredible Bums]

I'd ask why punish Germany when they have nothing to do with it?

So you'd consider an influx of foreign people to be a punishment? I fail to see why.

Same here; I simply can´t see any kind of "punishment" in, overall, taking in and feeding less than one percent of the population, which means in relation, having a three or four beers less per month per capita. Or having one "alien" pupil in a three or four classes in school. Or having one foreign person sitting at a table in a medium restaurant...

[Gauthier]

So you'd consider an influx of foreign people to be a punishment? I fail to see why.

Same here; I simply can´t see any kind of "punishment" in, overall, taking in and feeding less than one percent of the population, which means in relation, having a three or four beers less per month per capita. Or having one "alien" pupil in a three or four classes in school. Or having one foreign person sitting at a table in a medium restaurant...

Because he probably buys into the Starship Troopers Muslims Are Bugs narrative and that letting immigrants come in at all will result in Germany becoming the next Saudi Iran.

[Incredible Bums]

And that's not even my Communist viewpoint, if I was going to go into that then Germany would have a lot more to do with it.

...interesting; I didn´t know that someone could go "out of it", in fact...

[Incredible Bums]

Cue rants about rioting and Raping Our White Women.

...would be only fair - since "we"´re using "their" oil and other ressources...

[Seraven]

I don't undertand how Nazi Germany can be responsible for current migrant crisis. Germany doesn't owe anyone anything anymore. Otherwise countries and people will take advantage of Germany forever. Current Germans are not responsible for what happened.

Current Germans aren't responsible for the Nazis, but the African migrants aren't responsible for the situation which brought them to change which continent they're on. Why punish them for being born in a shitty place?

And who make it a shitty place? Europeans are partially responsible, you know. They introduced the Western hypocrisy to the people of Africa.

[Tierra Prime]

Ahem. Collapse of Rome and Migration Period. Ahem, history likes to repeat itself.

You can blame the Huns and the weather for that.

[ErVaReAn rEpUbLiC]

I'd ask why punish Germany when they have nothing to do with it?

So you'd consider an influx of foreign people to be a punishment? I fail to see why.

Given that refugee immigration quite often have a negative net fiscal impact I don't see why countries like the UK, France, and the US, which on a per capita basis each take in less than half the amount Germany does, shouldn't step in and contribute some more instead of letting Germany do everything.

[Bratislavskaya]

And that's not even my Communist viewpoint, if I was going to go into that then Germany would have a lot more to do with it.

...interesting; I didn´t know that someone could go "out of it", in fact...

I try not to go full on Communist most of the time, as people go off and dismiss every single point I make as Communist propaganda.

[Incredible Bums]

Given that refugee immigration quite often have a negative net fiscal impact I don't see why countries like the UK, France, and the US, which on a per capita basis each take in less than half the amount Germany does, shouldn't step in and contribute some more instead of letting Germany do everything.

Germany doesn´t "do everything"; on a "per capita" base there are a lot of nations which have to shoulder much more "immigrant burden" than Germany, including almost every "arabian countries", Turkey, Sweden, my own (Austria) and most "mediterranian countries".
And not all of them are as wealthy as Germany. Only fact is, that especially "the Germans" don´t really care about other nations problems, but having "a big mouth" about how "democratic, foreignerfriendly, hardworking, developed, independent, aso" they are. And then whining immedietly when they have to face some miniscule problems on their own...

[ErVaReAn rEpUbLiC]

Given that refugee immigration quite often have a negative net fiscal impact I don't see why countries like the UK, France, and the US, which on a per capita basis each take in less than half the amount Germany does, shouldn't step in and contribute some more instead of letting Germany do everything.

Germany doesn´t "do everything"; on a "per capita" base there are a lot of nations which have to shoulder much more "immigrant burden" than Germany, including almost every "arabian countries", Turkey, Sweden, my own (Austria) and most "mediterranian countries".
And not all of them are as wealthy as Germany. Only fact is, that especially "the Germans" don´t really care about other nations problems, but having "a big mouth" about how "democratic, foreignerfriendly, hardworking, developed, independent, aso" they are. And then whining immedietly when they have to face some miniscule problems on their own...

The point remains that the Western countries contributing even less than Germany could do a lot more.

[Incredible Bums]

I try not to go full on Communist most of the time, as people go off and dismiss every single point I make as Communist propaganda.

As long as almost the whole world is "full of capitalist propaganda", no one should have a problem with an different angle of view...except maybe those of "reclusive mind" or already fallen for the "good capitalists" and "responsible free market" shit...

[Incredible Bums]

The point remains that the Western countries contributing even less than Germany could do a lot more.

...point given; and, imo, not only the "western countries". But you have to count in geopolitic and global economic agendas as well for some reasons of "not stepping in".
And then I´ve to admit, many refugees prefer to come to "rich and developed countries" like Germany, Austria, Sweden, Denmark, Britain, France, although they might find "Asylum" much easier somewhere else in the EU (didn´t hear much about refugees immigrating to Ireland, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Poland and staying there).

[Imperializt Russia]

Current Germans aren't responsible for the Nazis, but the African migrants aren't responsible for the situation which brought them to change which continent they're on. Why punish them for being born in a shitty place?

I'd ask why punish Germany when they have nothing to do with it?

I'd ask why you see it as a punishment.

[Imperializt Russia]

So you'd consider an influx of foreign people to be a punishment? I fail to see why.

Given that refugee immigration quite often have a negative net fiscal impact I don't see why countries like the UK, France, and the US, which on a per capita basis each take in less than half the amount Germany does, shouldn't step in and contribute some more instead of letting Germany do everything.

Well, the US is far away, France is racist and Britain's mysteriously elected another round of "spending is bad mmk" so sorry about that.
(I would like it to be different. But it's not.)

[ErVaReAn rEpUbLiC]

The point remains that the Western countries contributing even less than Germany could do a lot more.

...point given; and, imo, not only the "western countries". But you have to count in geopolitic and global economic agendas as well for some reasons of "not stepping in".
And then I´ve to admit, many refugees prefer to come to "rich and developed countries" like Germany, Austria, Sweden, Denmark, Britain, France, although they might find "Asylum" much easier somewhere else in the EU (didn´t hear much about refugees immigrating to Ireland, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Poland and staying there).

I agree that many Eastern European countries could do a lot more as most of them seem to admit only a few dozens refugees annually. Quite a contrast to the thousands and tens of thousands the Western European countries tend to admit (and hundreds of thousands for countries like Libya and Egypt). And ironically, those Eastern European countries which are generally seen as being more skeptical toward immigration would benefit more economically than Western European countries since immigrants there are generally better integrated into the labor markets. In Hungary, which rejects more than 90% of refugee applicants, the employment rate (20-64) for foreign-citizens is 6.4 percentage points higher than among nationals! And in Sweden, which has the most liberal refugee policy among European countries, employment rate among foreign-citizens is more than 20 percentage points lower than among nationals. Quite ironic that the countries that have the most to gain economically also adopt the most conservative immigration positions, eh?

First instance decisions on asylum within the EU: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics ... statistics

Employment rate gaps: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics ... employment

[Teemant]

There won't be utopian multiculturalism that will last forever. It's just a transfer phase from one culture to other.

There's this place called the USA. And WASP culture has been in decline since 1800. No transfer of culture. No chaos from immigration.

Well what happened to people who lived in USA before Europeans arrived back in 16th century.

[Teemant]

The point remains that the Western countries contributing even less than Germany could do a lot more.

...point given; and, imo, not only the "western countries". But you have to count in geopolitic and global economic agendas as well for some reasons of "not stepping in".
And then I´ve to admit, many refugees prefer to come to "rich and developed countries" like Germany, Austria, Sweden, Denmark, Britain, France, although they might find "Asylum" much easier somewhere else in the EU (didn´t hear much about refugees immigrating to Ireland, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Poland and staying there).

I bet that if they come to Estonia they will be complaining that monthly benefits are just 90 euros (unemployment benefit).

Wait... maybe that's the reason that no one comes here.

[Kelinfort]

There's this place called the USA. And WASP culture has been in decline since 1800. No transfer of culture. No chaos from immigration.

Well what happened to people who lived in USA before Europeans arrived back in 16th century.

This isn't analogous. These people aren't more technologically advanced than you nor are they attempting to genocide the population.

[Teemant]

Well what happened to people who lived in USA before Europeans arrived back in 16th century.

This isn't analogous. These people aren't more technologically advanced than you nor are they attempting to genocide the population.

At current rate Western Europeans will be minorities in their own country by mid 21st century. In Sweden even as soon as 2040.

[ErVaReAn rEpUbLiC]

This isn't analogous. These people aren't more technologically advanced than you nor are they attempting to genocide the population.

At current rate Western Europeans will be minorities in their own country by mid 21st century. In Sweden even as soon as 2040.

That itself isn't a problem. The problem is a lack of economic integration among immigrants in many European countries which fuels social problems and ethnic tensions.