European Migrant Crisis Megathread

[New confederate ramenia]

That will teach you to subjugate the Arab and African countries, er...Sweden....and, um...Germany!!!!

You perfectly know which countries I am hinting at and those countries do deserve to be overrun with immigrants some countries should not even be allowed to be countries

You admit that mass immigration is a punishment?

[Jochistan]

overly rigid form of Islam.

Adherence to religion can be excessive?

If it's in a certain way, yes.

[Baltenstein]

That will teach you to subjugate the Arab and African countries, er...Sweden....and, um...Germany!!!!

You perfectly know which countries I am hinting at and those countries do deserve to be overrun with immigrants some countries should not even be allowed to be countries

A sentiment that is totally going to convince French and British voters to open wide their gates. It will not push them towards voting for the Far Right or something, no sir.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

You perfectly know which countries I am hinting at and those countries do deserve to be overrun with immigrants some countries should not even be allowed to be countries

A sentiment that is totally going to convince French and British voters to open wide their gates. It will not push them towards voting for the Far Right or something, no sir.

Talking to manisdog now?

[Baltenstein]

A sentiment that is totally going to convince French and British voters to open wide their gates. It will not push them towards voting for the Far Right or something, no sir.

Talking to manisdog now?

That's Manisdog? I didn't know, my bad.

[Jochistan]

Implying that mass immigration is a part of some Sunni plot of world domination?

It's not a controlled plot (Altough I suspect that many in the governments of the Gulf States do have such fantasies).
Conservative Muslim societies being far more authoritarian and illiberal than your average European one is undeniable however.

So you do think its a plot then?

[Jochistan]

While a pretty horrible regime all in all, the Islamic Republic of Iran (and Shia Islam in general, more or less) has the major benefit of not seeing itself on a global mission to spread Islam to non-Muslim countries. You neither see Shiite immigrants coming to non-Muslim countries en masse, nor are Shia communities in European countries notorious for proselytizing and making endless demands. Iran´s ambitions are completely regional in nature.
This is something that makes them a far more reasonable neighbor.

Implying that mass immigration is a part of some Sunni plot of world domination?

Not a plot of world domination. It's Just that Sunnis tend to be overly needy with their rigid religious conservatism.

Modernists and Sufis are an obvious exception.

[Baltenstein]

It's not a controlled plot (Altough I suspect that many in the governments of the Gulf States do have such fantasies).
Conservative Muslim societies being far more authoritarian and illiberal than your average European one is undeniable however.

So you do think its a plot then?

It would be a plot if those elements of Saudi and Gulf State societies who wish for it to happen were actually the deciding and controlling factor in the whole mass migration dynamics.
They´re not though.
Neither are the radical Salafist preachers in Western countries, neither are ISIS or other extremists.

[Jochistan]

So you do think its a plot then?

It would be a plot if those elements of Saudi and Gulf State societies who wish for it to happen were actually the deciding and controlling factor in the whole mass migration dynamics.
They´re not though.
Neither are the radical Salafist preachers in Western countries, neither are ISIS or other extremists.

Solely because they're too retarded to actually plan anything of that magnitude, really.

Part of that is how they're divided over the stupidest shit.

The Muslim Brotherhood are really the only ones smart enough to plan something like that. But seeing as how their policies are seen as "too liberal" by many puritan Muslims (and to be fair, they do produce a fairly liberal version of Islamism, given that it's still awful). they really don't have the support to pull anything off.

Still Judging all of Islam as inherently evil because of these groups, no matter how many people they have in them, is also really destructive.

Considering there are Sufis, Modernists and other Branches and dimensions of Islam you could easily support for the purpose of reform and counter preaching to the Muslim community, the idea of treating Islam as something like communism or some other monolithic political threat becomes not only destructive and divisive, but just fucking lazy.

[Sanctissima]

It would be a plot if those elements of Saudi and Gulf State societies who wish for it to happen were actually the deciding and controlling factor in the whole mass migration dynamics.
They´re not though.
Neither are the radical Salafist preachers in Western countries, neither are ISIS or other extremists.

Solely because they're too retarded to actually plan anything of that magnitude, really.

Given enough time, money and effort, even complete and utter idiots can fuck shit up at an evil-genius level.

[Baltenstein]

Considering there are Sufis, Modernists and other Branches and dimensions of Islam you could easily support for the purpose of reform and counter preaching to the Muslim community, the idea of treating Islam as something like communism or some other monolithic political threat becomes not only destructive and divisive, but just fucking lazy.

Shouldn't a more liberal, progressive renewal of Islam come from within though. I'm not a Muslim, so neither is it my business to make Islam more pleasant, nor do I think an overt Western support for these versions of Islam would achieve much - on the contrary, it would give the Fundamentalists ground to decry it as "western puppet" or whatever.

And I'll be perfectly fucking honest, I would actually welcome it if Islam in Europe would be secularized either by itself or by others (a la Ataturk) to the same point of societal non-signficance that the Christian churches have sunken to.
Religion should be an exclusively private affair.

[Jochistan]

Solely because they're too retarded to actually plan anything of that magnitude, really.

Given enough time, money and effort, even complete and utter idiots can fuck shit up at an evil-genius level.

Yeah, but they're currently not. In Europe anyway. They lack the money and effort to actually do anything besides keep their countries shitholes and yell at any other branch or movement of Islam that disagrees. or worse they just line them up and kill them.

[Alyakia]

crossposting from the other europe thread but

fucking lol at the guys saying all males of fighting age should be sent back

i'm sure they'll rip russian fighters out of the skies with their mighty fists

[Sanctissima]

Given enough time, money and effort, even complete and utter idiots can fuck shit up at an evil-genius level.

Yeah, but they're currently not. In Europe anyway. They lack the money and effort to actually do anything besides keep their countries shitholes and yell at any other branch or movement of Islam that disagrees. or worse they just line them up and kill them.

I was mainly referring to the ones living in the Middle East, specifically Saudi Arabia. Plenty of ridiculously wealthy Salafist and Wahhabi princes over there with enough money to fund whichever fundamentalist terror group they please.

[Jochistan]

Yeah, but they're currently not. In Europe anyway. They lack the money and effort to actually do anything besides keep their countries shitholes and yell at any other branch or movement of Islam that disagrees. or worse they just line them up and kill them.

I was mainly referring to the ones living in the Middle East, specifically Saudi Arabia. Plenty of ridiculously wealthy Salafist and Wahhabi princes over there with enough money to fund whichever fundamentalist terror group they please.

Yeah. They fund Imams at the Mosques they sponsor in the west, which is dangerous to ordinary Muslims as well as everyone else. And even the ones they don't sponsor have very, very prominent tints of their ideology in them a lot of the time. They're sort of the dominant Ideology in Sunnism at the moment (in the clergical sense).

The Muslim Brotherhood is another big pissed off Islamist organization, but they're John fucking Lennon compared to Salafis.

[Naushantiya]

You perfectly know which countries I am hinting at and those countries do deserve to be overrun with immigrants some countries should not even be allowed to be countries

A sentiment that is totally going to convince French and British voters to open wide their gates. It will not push towards voting for the Far Right or something, no sir.

I would rather have the scalps of my feet cut of than put my foot on that continent,that being said my whole point is that let us not sympathize with them.

[Sanctissima]

I was mainly referring to the ones living in the Middle East, specifically Saudi Arabia. Plenty of ridiculously wealthy Salafist and Wahhabi princes over there with enough money to fund whichever fundamentalist terror group they please.

Yeah. They fund Imams at the Mosques they sponsor in the west, which is dangerous to ordinary Muslims as well as everyone else. And even the ones they don't sponsor have very, very prominent tints of their ideology in them a lot of the time. They're sort of the dominant Ideology in Sunnism at the moment (in the clergical sense).

The Muslim Brotherhood is another big pissed off Islamist organization, but they're John fucking Lennon compared to Salafis.

My thoughts exactly.

Shame that the West is allied with the Saud royal family and other Gulf monarchies. Politics make for strange bedfellows.

Hopefully the imminent Saudi oil crash will end the Salafists' funding.

[Jochistan]

Yeah. They fund Imams at the Mosques they sponsor in the west, which is dangerous to ordinary Muslims as well as everyone else. And even the ones they don't sponsor have very, very prominent tints of their ideology in them a lot of the time. They're sort of the dominant Ideology in Sunnism at the moment (in the clergical sense).

The Muslim Brotherhood is another big pissed off Islamist organization, but they're John fucking Lennon compared to Salafis.

My thoughts exactly.

Shame that the West is allied with the Saud royal family and other Gulf monarchies. Politics make for strange bedfellows.

Hopefully the imminent Saudi oil crash will end the Salafists' funding.

Oh it would have to take more than that. Hopefully everyone in the Muslim community just realizes that they're restricting everything and are fucking insane.

[Traxa]

Take only the well educated ie doctors, engineers etc and their families send the rest back to the middle east and beyond.

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[Seraven]

tbh, Germany was a power in colonial Africa.
A minor one, granted, but it was still there.

It's barely a colonial power.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Take only the well educated ie doctors, engineers etc and their families send the rest back to the middle east and beyond.

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You really have a high regard of your own opinion, don't you?

tbh, Germany was a power in colonial Africa.
A minor one, granted, but it was still there.

It's barely a colonial power.

They did have an important role in African politics, especially in the South. By their action, the Boer war dragged on for three years longer than it should have, thus making possible a peace more favourable to the Boers.

[Jochistan]

A sentiment that is totally going to convince French and British voters to open wide their gates. It will not push towards voting for the Far Right or something, no sir.

I would rather have the scalps of my feet cut of than put my foot on that continent,that being said my whole point is that let us not sympathize with them.

Ow. Jeez.

[Ardoki]

I would rather have the scalps of my feet cut of than put my foot on that continent,that being said my whole point is that let us not sympathize with them.

Ow. Jeez.

Manisdog is infamous for his views on Europe, particularly Britain.

[The Conez Imperium]

Take only the well educated ie doctors, engineers etc and their families send the rest back to the middle east and beyond.

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You really have a high regard of your own opinion, don't you?

It's barely a colonial power.

They did have an important role in African politics, especially in the South. By their action, the Boer war dragged on for three years longer than it should have, thus making possible a peace more favourable to the Boers.

I am aware that Kaiser Wilhelm sent a telegram to the "Boers" pledging his support but I am not aware that any significant help was sent. May I have a source for that please.

[Purpelia]

crossposting from the other europe thread but

fucking lol at the guys saying all males of fighting age should be sent back

i'm sure they'll rip russian fighters out of the skies with their mighty fists

Why would they attack the force that aids them? The Russians are the good guys here. ISIS is the bad guy. Get that strait.