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Baltenstein
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Postby Baltenstein » Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:49 am

I keep looking at pictures of Arab immigrants and Arab terrorists and have startered to wonder who exactly these mythical "brown-skinned" people the SJWs are talking about are supposed to be.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:55 am

Allanea wrote:
Now I am generally (as anyone who spoke to me on this issue can confirm) in favor of people being free to bear arms, but let's be frank here:

Terrorism has cost one, maybe two lives per three million population in Europe at the peak of terrorist activities.

That's not anyhow enough to cause a complete reconsideration of the European lifestyle in any direction.


As I hinted before, society is about what masses thinks, and that doesn't have to correlate with reality.

Of course there's much more probability that some 'regularly' crazy person will stab you twenty times than Daesh bomber will bomb you to pieces, but explain that to masses.
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Postby Allanea » Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:02 am

Policy should be based on what's true.

Also, 24 hours have passed, where are your AK-74-armed warriors of Allah?
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Mar 23, 2016 10:06 am

Allanea wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:
it's not, but it will be either that or chaos. society without basic level of order and security will disintegrate, no matter how much people are educated and reasonable.

either you send larger security forces to the streets permanently or you allow people massively to bear firearms or even form militias to let them maintain order themselves. take your pick what's more acceptable.


Now I am generally (as anyone who spoke to me on this issue can confirm) in favor of people being free to bear arms, but let's be frank here:

Terrorism has cost one, maybe two lives per three million population in Europe at the peak of terrorist activities.

That's not anyhow enough to cause a complete reconsideration of the European lifestyle in any direction.


It is not a reason to severely reduce rights through the patriot act in the USA either. And yet that happened.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Mar 23, 2016 10:07 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Allanea wrote:
Now I am generally (as anyone who spoke to me on this issue can confirm) in favor of people being free to bear arms, but let's be frank here:

Terrorism has cost one, maybe two lives per three million population in Europe at the peak of terrorist activities.

That's not anyhow enough to cause a complete reconsideration of the European lifestyle in any direction.


It is not a reason to severely reduce rights through the patriot act in the USA either. And yet that happened.


So maybe we shouldn't stoop to that level.
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Postby Allanea » Wed Mar 23, 2016 10:22 am

It is not a reason to severely reduce rights through the patriot act in the USA either. And yet that happened.


Yes, and that was quite dumb. (Though some of the worst parts of the PAtriot Act got repealed eventually).
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Postby Aelex » Wed Mar 23, 2016 12:43 pm

Alsheb wrote:Because white Christians are by definition better people than brown-skinned Muslims. Or so many Europeans seem to think.

That don't really have much to do with their skin, contrarily to what you liberals all seem to think to the point I'm wondering if you aren't closeted racists yourself, but it do indeed have quite to do with their religion.
Why do European overlook what the I.R.A or redshirts did but not the Islamist terrorists, you ask? Well, it's simple. Protestantism, Catholicism, Nationalism and Communism are all deeply rooted into each of the four dominant culture (English, French, Italian and German) that we generally smash together to form the so-called "Western Culture"; they are doctrines people have been killing each others in the name of for centuries. We're thus able to, to some point, rationalize and understand why attacks are carried out in their name and comprehend the situation.
Islam, however, never was part of Western Culture and is antagonistic to the quasi-totality of Western Values. Thus, when an attack is carried out in it's name, people react more strongly because the attack appear to be even more brutal.
It's as simple as that.

And, to respond to your awesomely dumb statement, yes, indeed for Europeans, others Europeans sharing most of their values and beliefs are indeed worth more than Arabs who not only aren't sharing the said values and beliefs but are are trying to impose their own one by force.
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Postby The balkens » Wed Mar 23, 2016 12:52 pm

Baltenstein wrote:I keep looking at pictures of Arab immigrants and Arab terrorists and have startered to wonder who exactly these mythical "brown-skinned" people the SJWs are talking about are supposed to be.


Cuz muslims are oppressed and therefor brown. *nods

The radicals can blow up buildings, rape women and spout anti semitic remarks and SJWs would STILL bend over backwards for them.

Its fucking bizarre.

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Mar 23, 2016 12:56 pm

The balkens wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:I keep looking at pictures of Arab immigrants and Arab terrorists and have startered to wonder who exactly these mythical "brown-skinned" people the SJWs are talking about are supposed to be.


Cuz muslims are oppressed and therefor brown. *nods

The radicals can blow up buildings, rape women and spout anti semitic remarks and SJWs would STILL bend over backwards for them.

Its fucking bizarre.


Is anyone actually advocating that?
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:19 pm

Vassenor wrote:
The balkens wrote:
Cuz muslims are oppressed and therefor brown. *nods

The radicals can blow up buildings, rape women and spout anti semitic remarks and SJWs would STILL bend over backwards for them.

Its fucking bizarre.


Is anyone actually advocating that?

No, but Balk can never resist whining about "muh SJW's!"
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Postby Neo Hungary » Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:33 pm

Allanea wrote:Policy should be based on what's true.

Also, 24 hours have passed, where are your AK-74-armed warriors of Allah?



Brussels.

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Postby The balkens » Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:34 pm

Neo Hungary wrote:
Allanea wrote:Policy should be based on what's true.

Also, 24 hours have passed, where are your AK-74-armed warriors of Allah?



Brussels.


somewhere else in Europe.

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Postby Neo Hungary » Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:36 pm

The balkens wrote:
Neo Hungary wrote:

Brussels.


somewhere else in Europe.


Definitely not in Hungary.

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Postby Ganos Lao » Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:07 pm

The balkens wrote:
Neo Hungary wrote:

Brussels.


somewhere else in Europe.


The fact of the matter, coincidentally, is that since this attack occured despite all the security measures the Belgians took in the last while, is that these bastards got themselves quite the network throughout Europe.

You don't pull this sort of thing off spontaneously. They're already entrenched in Europe all the while the governments think they've yet to arrive.



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Postby The balkens » Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:08 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:
The balkens wrote:
somewhere else in Europe.


The fact of the matter, coincidentally, is that since this attack occured despite all the security measures the Belgians took in the last while, is that these bastards got themselves quite the network throughout Europe.

You don't pull this sort of thing off spontaneously. They're already entrenched in Europe all the while the governments think they've yet to arrive.


and the EU jumps from one fuck up to the next.

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Postby Ganos Lao » Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:13 pm

The balkens wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:
The fact of the matter, coincidentally, is that since this attack occured despite all the security measures the Belgians took in the last while, is that these bastards got themselves quite the network throughout Europe.

You don't pull this sort of thing off spontaneously. They're already entrenched in Europe all the while the governments think they've yet to arrive.


and the EU jumps from one fuck up to the next.


Oh, EU politicians, never change.
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Postby Allanea » Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:36 pm

Neo Hungary wrote:
Allanea wrote:Policy should be based on what's true.

Also, 24 hours have passed, where are your AK-74-armed warriors of Allah?



Brussels.


If you missed out on this discussion, our Czech Comrade insisted that there was a serious threat of a follow-up attack by guys with AK-74s, which supposedly justified paramilitary security measures.
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