European Migrant Crisis Megathread

[Zoice]

So yes, you think mass murder and terrorism is OK so long as a white person does it.

It has to do with ideology and not race. Did you ignore all of my previous post laying out why from my perspective?

I disagree with Anders Behring Breivik's actions that day, but agree with his manifesto's overall message. 2083: A European Declaration of Independence is just a magnificent piece of literature. I am serious when I say that I feel it has really opened my eyes to some truths about the current state of the world and why it is heading on the trajectory it is on.

Would I support a coup which would install the Progress Party or a more right wing alternative in Norway? Yes I would! Would I support Sharia being imposed on Norway? Hell no! I don't see what is even remotely inconsistent about that. Nearly everyone on here by now knows where I stand on the issues and I've explained why. It is not hypocrisy at all, it is what I see as what will make things more right in the world again.

Holy fuck. Your views aren't cute anymore.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

It has to do with ideology and not race. Did you ignore all of my previous post laying out why from my perspective?

I disagree with Anders Behring Breivik's actions that day, but agree with his manifesto's overall message. 2083: A European Declaration of Independence is just a magnificent piece of literature. I am serious when I say that I feel it has really opened my eyes to some truths about the current state of the world and why it is heading on the trajectory it is on.

Would I support a coup which would install the Progress Party or a more right wing alternative in Norway? Yes I would! Would I support Sharia being imposed on Norway? Hell no! I don't see what is even remotely inconsistent about that. Nearly everyone on here by now knows where I stand on the issues and I've explained why. It is not hypocrisy at all, it is what I see as what will make things more right in the world again.

Completely agree with this guy.

That's tantamount to an endorsement of Mein Kampf and the ideals it espouses. But I guess for such an illustrious individual such as Saiwania endorsing Mein Kampf is a prospect that doesn't disgust him as much as it does everybody else.

[Vassenor]

Completely agree with this guy.

That's tantamount to an endorsement of Mein Kampf and the ideals it espouses. But I guess for such an illustrious individual such as Saiwania endorsing Mein Kampf is a prospect that doesn't disgust him as much as it does everybody else.

But he said he disapproves of the mass murder so it's all OK. Clearly.

[IndependentGreenland]

That's tantamount to an endorsement of Mein Kampf and the ideals it espouses. But I guess for such an illustrious individual such as Saiwania endorsing Mein Kampf is a prospect that doesn't disgust him as much as it does everybody else.

But he said he disapproves of the mass murder so it's all OK. Clearly.

Exactly

[Vassenor]

But he said he disapproves of the mass murder so it's all OK. Clearly.

Exactly

You agree with someone who thought he was the rightful King of Norway and head of a super secret Templar Order that no-one's ever heard of?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

But he said he disapproves of the mass murder so it's all OK. Clearly.

Exactly

I dunno about you but if I were ever found guilty of endorsing genocidal propaganda or child sexual abuse I'd kill myself. I guess your morals are different.

[Zoice]

Exactly

I dunno about you but if I were ever found guilty of endorsing genocidal propaganda or child sexual abuse I'd kill myself. I guess your morals are different.

You have the Ralph Fiennes in In Bruges morality?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I dunno about you but if I were ever found guilty of endorsing genocidal propaganda or child sexual abuse I'd kill myself. I guess your morals are different.

You have the Ralph Fiennes in In Bruges morality?

I subscribe to the notion that both of those acts are expressions of ultimate unforgivable evil void of excuses. Therefore the only reasonable option for a reasonable person found guilty of either is suicide. Obviously for some people, opposition to either is just lip-service.

[Ostroeuropa]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tions.html

Another example of both creeping Islamization, and SJW attempts to cover it up:

Religious headscarfs are 'excluded in areas such as theatre, where they could present a health and cross-infection hazard', according to the strict dress code.
At the time, the incident was not made public.

Dr Vladislav Rogozov, 46, claimed in an online blog that he confronted her before the surgery when he realised she planned to wear the Islamic hijab which was against safety regulations.
But the unnamed surgeon refused, walking out of the operation and forcing staff at Sheffield's Royal Hallamshire Hospital to find a replacement.
She later accused Czech-born Dr Rogozov, who has worked in Britain for ten years, of racial discrimination.

Notice that everyone else seemed too scared to enforce the actual rules against a Muslim, same as Rotheram and other incidents.

'After the end of the operating day other members of the surgical team came to me (in a low voice and with the door closed) to share their concerns about the threat to patient safety.'
Dr Rogozov claimed colleagues had long-standing concerns but added 'no one dared to highlight this issue because they feared being accused of racism or intolerance'.
Dr Rogozov also spoke of an incident where a male doctor recited extracts from the Koran during surgery, and claimed Muslim staff took prayer breaks during operations.

Not the only way Muslims undermine our NHS.

It doesn't matter that they are only 5% of the population if they still manage to scare the rest of the population in various ways, either through SJW crybullying, or terrorism.

[Zoice]

You have the Ralph Fiennes in In Bruges morality?

I subscribe to the notion that both of those acts are expressions of ultimate unforgivable evil void of excuses. Therefore the only reasonable option for a reasonable person found guilty of either is suicide. Obviously for some people, opposition to either is just lip-service.

I prefer to not enforce the death penalty.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3479740/Consultant-suspended-hospital-confronting-surgeon-planned-operate-hijab-despite-against-safety-regulations.html

Another example of both creeping Islamization, and SJW attempts to cover it up:

Religious headscarfs are 'excluded in areas such as theatre, where they could present a health and cross-infection hazard', according to the strict dress code.
At the time, the incident was not made public.

Dr Vladislav Rogozov, 46, claimed in an online blog that he confronted her before the surgery when he realised she planned to wear the Islamic hijab which was against safety regulations.
But the unnamed surgeon refused, walking out of the operation and forcing staff at Sheffield's Royal Hallamshire Hospital to find a replacement.
She later accused Czech-born Dr Rogozov, who has worked in Britain for ten years, of racial discrimination.

Notice that everyone else seemed too scared to enforce the actual rules against a Muslim, same as Rotheram and other incidents.

Not the only way Muslims undermine our NHS.

There are some problems with people trying to give special excuses in the name of white guilt. But what exactly is your conclusion from that story? That social justice is a bad thing? That oposing genuine discrimination is bad, or that we should ban Muslim migration or something? I read that story and the only conclusion that makes sense from it is that health codes trump religion, that's all.

[Ostroeuropa]

I subscribe to the notion that both of those acts are expressions of ultimate unforgivable evil void of excuses. Therefore the only reasonable option for a reasonable person found guilty of either is suicide. Obviously for some people, opposition to either is just lip-service.

I prefer to not enforce the death penalty.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3479740/Consultant-suspended-hospital-confronting-surgeon-planned-operate-hijab-despite-against-safety-regulations.html

Another example of both creeping Islamization, and SJW attempts to cover it up:




Notice that everyone else seemed too scared to enforce the actual rules against a Muslim, same as Rotheram and other incidents.

Not the only way Muslims undermine our NHS.

There are some problems with people trying to give special excuses in the name of white guilt. But what exactly is your conclusion from that story? That social justice is a bad thing? That oposing genuine discrimination is bad, or that we should ban Muslim migration or something? I read that story and the only conclusion that makes sense from it is that health codes trump religion, that's all.

We should ban muslim migration until we figure out how to assimilate fully into the populace yes.
We should also force large public bodies to not only have a discrimination infrastructure to punish racism and such, but an Anti-SJW panel to slap them back into place when they step over the line.

This is systematic. It happens constantly in lots of different fields. Why the fuck should the public be expected to tolerate a group migrating to this country that our establishment WILL NOT police effectively?

Your conclusion is wrong by the way. Islam trumps the heath code, according to the NHS, because racism.

[Geilinor]

Your conclusion is wrong by the way. Islam trumps the heath code, according to the NHS, because racism.

It doesn't look like the NHS said that. You're just getting the Daily Mail's version of the story.

[Allanea]

Another example of both creeping Islamization, and SJW attempts to cover it up:

The plural of anecdote is not data.

We've extensively documented that anti-immigration activists have been warning us about the Islamopocalypse since long before Oriana Fallaci first made up her fallacies about Islamic immigration (see what I did there)? This has been going on for decades and crime is now lower, Europe more economically prosperous, terrorism rates at the same rates as when the whihing commences in the 1970s.

[Ostroeuropa]

Your conclusion is wrong by the way. Islam trumps the heath code, according to the NHS, because racism.

It doesn't look like the NHS said that. You're just getting the Daily Mail's version of the story.

Well by all means if you can find an alternate source to support something other than their version of the story, go ahead, otherwise your complaint is pointless and leads us nowhere.

[Valystria]

Your conclusion is wrong by the way. Islam trumps the heath code, according to the NHS, because racism.

It doesn't look like the NHS said that. You're just getting the Daily Mail's version of the story.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6981906/Top-doc-axed-after-reporting-Muslim-surgeon-hijab-was-spotted-with-blood-before-op.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-consultant-suspended-after-racial-7508390

And the Sun's, the Mirror's, etc. But it doesn't matter how many are saying it or who is saying it. This tactic of shutting down the Daily Mail as legitimate source is nothing more than a way of no platforming people who don't agree with SOCJUS ideology, without actually addressing anything they've said.

You can be open to opposing viewpoints, or you can continue no platforming everyone of a different political alignment than you. It needs to stop, or discussions will go nowhere.

There isn't a massive conspiracy against Islam. As the linked articles demonstrate, and countless others (Rotherham, Cologne, Operation Trojan Horse, etc) there is however a conspiracy to cover up systematic incidents indicating the extent of how problematic Islam is.

No platforming is not a means of debating. All it demonstrates is that you care more for who is making claims than the claims themselves. You are making it impossible to discuss anything you disagree with unless someone you agree with who is saying it. That is what no platforming is.

[Allanea]

Here you go. He is not going to be suspended at all - only investigated - and it is not related to him raising safety concerns.

In other news, the islamophobes lied again.

http://www.asianimage.co.uk/news/143256 ... rf_claims/

[Valystria]

Here you go. He is not going to be suspended at all - only investigated - and it is not related to him raising safety concerns.

In other news, the islamophobes lied again.

http://www.asianimage.co.uk/news/143256 ... rf_claims/

Name calling?

There's a name for that tactic. It's called ad hominem.

Going by your standard, perhaps Islam advocates should be referred to as Islamophiles, as you're in favour of calling everyone who doesn't agree with Islam an Islamophobe?

But I would prefer addressing claims instead of resorting to name calling.

[Ostroeuropa]

Here you go. He is not going to be suspended at all - only investigated - and it is not related to him raising safety concerns.

In other news, the islamophobes lied again.

http://www.asianimage.co.uk/news/143256 ... rf_claims/

He's been investigated and suspended. Multiple sources are claiming he was suspended, and you've yet to find one saying otherwise.
You've also thrown out Islamophobe in lieu of an argument, in typical fashion.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/650406 ... -Sheffield

[Zoice]

I prefer to not enforce the death penalty.



There are some problems with people trying to give special excuses in the name of white guilt. But what exactly is your conclusion from that story? That social justice is a bad thing? That oposing genuine discrimination is bad, or that we should ban Muslim migration or something? I read that story and the only conclusion that makes sense from it is that health codes trump religion, that's all.

We should ban muslim migration until we figure out how to assimilate fully into the populace yes.
We should also force large public bodies to not only have a discrimination infrastructure to punish racism and such, but an Anti-SJW panel to slap them back into place when they step over the line.

This is systematic. It happens constantly in lots of different fields. Why the fuck should the public be expected to tolerate a group migrating to this country that our establishment WILL NOT police effectively?

Your conclusion is wrong by the way. Islam trumps the heath code, according to the NHS, because racism.

I don't support that religious discrimination, in favour of or against religious believers. Do you know how you get people to integrate? Not by banning them from the country and encouraging us vs them mentalities.

Stop generalizing all Muslims as the same and making a false dichotomy between pro-islamism SJW's and going full Hitler.

[Allanea]

No, I have not thrown it out 'in lieu' of an argument.

I have made a specific argument: that the actual authority which has made the decisions with regards to Dr. Rogozov denies hte claims made about this incident by The Sun, Daily Mail, and other media (a variety of tabloids, principally).

The fact I also call them islamophobes doesn't replace the argument, it comes in addition to the - their record of fear-mongering about Muslim immigration and terrorism is well-known.

In other words, this is not me saying "their argument is wrong, because they're islamophobes" - that would be an ad hominem. This is me saying "their argument is wrong. Also they're islamophobes."

[Allanea]

Note that me calling "the Daily Express" a tabloid, but a statement of fact:

The Daily Express is a daily national middle market tabloid newspaper in the United Kingdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Express

The Sun is a daily tabloid newspaper published in the United Kingdom and Ireland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sun_(United_Kingdom)

[MolokoPlus]

I'd say what pisses me off about the migrant crisis is actually the wide spectrum of reactions from all sides of the political spectrum. While some skinhead assholes disguised as "pure nationalists" are burning down refugee centers, we have certain media outlets and regressive leftists ignoring problems migrants may cause. That isn't to say that all refugees cause these problems, and such assumptions are absurd. However, to deny that countries like Germany and Sweden need integration is pragmatism. To deny that countries like Ireland and the UK aren't taking their fair share is equally pragmatic.

Ultimately, European citizens and leaders need to put aside all forms of rhetoric and work to help refugees in need, while simultaneously "weeding out" the bad apples and ensuring that economic growth and integration can continue with acceptable numbers of refugees.

[Allanea]

You're right, if I were a British citizen I would also demand that my country get its fair share of immigration. Germany shouldn't get to hog all the Syrians, it's plain unfair.

[MolokoPlus]

You're right, if I were a British citizen I would also demand that my country get its fair share of immigration. Germany shouldn't get to hog all the Syrians, it's plain unfair.

Haha, c'mon, thats not the point I'm trying to get across.

Britain has taken a small sliver of Syrian refugees, whereas Germany has been burdened. Do you see what I'm getting at? Britain shouldn't have to accept more than it can take, but they have effectively closed their doors to most applicants, leaving the burden on a select few countries.

[Ostroeuropa]

We should ban muslim migration until we figure out how to assimilate fully into the populace yes.
We should also force large public bodies to not only have a discrimination infrastructure to punish racism and such, but an Anti-SJW panel to slap them back into place when they step over the line.

This is systematic. It happens constantly in lots of different fields. Why the fuck should the public be expected to tolerate a group migrating to this country that our establishment WILL NOT police effectively?

Your conclusion is wrong by the way. Islam trumps the heath code, according to the NHS, because racism.

I don't support that religious discrimination, in favour of or against religious believers. Do you know how you get people to integrate? Not by banning them from the country and encouraging us vs them mentalities.

Stop generalizing all Muslims as the same and making a false dichotomy between pro-islamism SJW's and going full Hitler.

As me and Valystria have repeatedly shown, it's a majority of them that are the problem.