European Migrant Crisis Megathread

[Estein]

How the fuck can you still deny the evidence with such conviction? Doyou really think that those go away from their country because in Europe they receive EUR 1000 a day? HOW THE FUCK THEY RECEIVE 1000 euro a day? But for fuck's sake, did some of you ever left his apartment of 200 square meters to go and see how things are REALLY? Or do you believe that we Europeans are a superior race and all the rest of the world are inhabit by monkeys not yet evolved?

[San Eulogio]

Haha, mental breakdown.

Yes, you are right. I, as a Christian, and human being, remain too impressed by the fact that people like you exist. How can you be so selfish? How do you go against any feelings of empathy?

I think you are the one selfish here.

You could call me many things I'm not, but one 'bad' think I certainly am is a nationalist. I love my country and it's people living in it. Because you people want to bring in hordes of desertfolk that have already infested many of our once great labourer neighbourhoods our country is going to change because of it. Massive rapes against women are happening, homosexuals are bullied or killed and our culture and history is being wiped out by this invasion against everything the Western World has built up. My sister already has to avoid several streets in fear of getting harassed yet you people just want to turn our entire beautiful continent into a second Africa.

[Estein]

I fear the world that you want to create. Now you are glorifying nationalism and all these fascist filth. But then we shall see when the reality will fall roofs lean against you. Good World War III at all.

[Migas999]

How the fuck can you still deny the evidence with such conviction? Doyou really think that those go away from their country because in Europe they receive EUR 1000 a day? HOW THE FUCK THEY RECEIVE 1000 euro a day? But for fuck's sake, did some of you ever left his apartment of 200 square meters to go and see how things are REALLY? Or do you believe that we Europeans are a superior race and all the rest of the world are inhabit by monkeys not yet evolved?

HAHAHA 200 square meter apartment, bud i´m not fucking rich nobody said EUR 1000 A DAY, they said A MONTH and you know what that´s more than a lot of people receive as a salary in my country even if they work themselves to death with overtime I mean for fuck´s sake my dad´s been a cop for 25 years and he barely grazes EUR 1600 a month, so yeah fuck me for thinking refugees shouldn´t be paid that much for just being refugees

[San Eulogio]

I fear the world that you want to create. Now you are glorifying nationalism and all these fascist filth. But then we shall see when the reality will fall roofs lean against you. Good World War III at all.

I don't want to create a world, I want to conserve Europe. I want it's lovely cultures to remain and it's people to live in peace without having to worry the horrors of Islam and extreme Christianity.

Do you even live in Europe?

[Migas999]

I fear the world that you want to create. Now you are glorifying nationalism and all these fascist filth. But then we shall see when the reality will fall roofs lean against you. Good World War III at all.

I don't want to create a world, I want to conserve Europe. I want it's lovely cultures to remain and it's people to live in peace without having to worry the horrors of Islam and extreme Christianity.

Do you even live in Europe?

Well said why the hell should my culture have to change to acommodate someone else´s?

[Migas999]

Non-related to the topic but I gotta go for a while just heads up cause I dont want people to think I just abandoned the discussion

[Socialist Czechia]

EU does away with Erdogan, Turkey becomes a hellhole as ISIS moves in, millions of harried Turks seek shelter in EU, Eastern Europe goes Holocaust-y, Western Europe goes to PEGIDA and UKIP?

Coup de grace? More like coup up de arse, if you think Muslims are invading and colonizing whitest most Christian Europe, turning it into parched Eurabia --

Exaggerating.

EU's end won't be tragedy. Only few fallen empires must finally realize they are no longer important, that France, Britain, Germany are irrelevant on world's stage.
And it's only their fault, since they destroyed themselves for no good reason and then tried to fix it all by bureacratic nightmare.

I thought historical examples such as Austria-Hungary, Yugoslavia etc. proved, that artificial multiethnic states in Europe are doomed from start.
Because that's it. Artificial creation. People don't identify themselves as 'Europeans'. For example, I consider myself first as member of working class, then Czech, then Slav and only after all that, European.

[Estein]

I fear the world that you want to create. Now you are glorifying nationalism and all these fascist filth. But then we shall see when the reality will fall roofs lean against you. Good World War III at all.

I don't want to create a world, I want to conserve Europe. I want it's lovely cultures to remain and it's people to live in peace without having to worry the horrors of Islam and extreme Christianity.

Do you even live in Europe?

I live in Italy. One of the countries unlike our (or so I imagine) welcomes many more immigrants every day than you make in a month.

[The Kievan People]

I fear the world that you want to create. Now you are glorifying nationalism and all these fascist filth. But then we shall see when the reality will fall roofs lean against you. Good World War III at all.

World War III, what?

The vast majority of those rebelling against mass immigration just want to live in peace in their own country with their own people and culture, and they don't want to shoulder the burden for saving all of humanity from everything. It's not a great deal to ask.

[Aelex]

Exaggerating.

EU's end won't be tragedy. Only few fallen empires must finally realize they are no longer important, that France, Britain, Germany are irrelevant on world's stage.
And it's only their fault, since they destroyed themselves for no good reason and then tried to fix it all by bureacratic nightmare.

I thought historical examples such as Austria-Hungary, Yugoslavia etc. proved, that artificial multiethnic states in Europe are doomed from start.
Because that's it. Artificial creation. People don't identify themselves as 'Europeans'. For example, I consider myself first as member of working class, then Czech, then Slav and only after all that, European.

While I agree with your second point, you're yourself exaggerating on the first.
France, Britain and Germany are still important on the world's stage given that they're still Great Powers who're able to influence lesser nations.
They aren't the Super-Powers they used to be but they are far from being "irrelevants" neither.

[Estein]

I fear the world that you want to create. Now you are glorifying nationalism and all these fascist filth. But then we shall see when the reality will fall roofs lean against you. Good World War III at all.

World War III, what?

The vast majority of those rebelling against mass immigration just want to live in peace in their own country with their own people and culture, and they don't want to shoulder the burden for saving all of humanity from everything. It's not a great deal to ask.

Problems don't respect borders. Europe is not an isolated system. Now you yell at "non-Europeans". When they will end you will star to yell each other. As Europe has always done before EU.

[Aelex]

Problems don't respect borders. Europe is not an isolated system. Now you yell at "non-Europeans". When they will end you will star to yell each other. As Europe has always done before EU.

Because we European disagree with each others we should accept migrants?
Excuse me but I fail to see the logic of your point.

[Ostroeuropa]

World War III, what?

The vast majority of those rebelling against mass immigration just want to live in peace in their own country with their own people and culture, and they don't want to shoulder the burden for saving all of humanity from everything. It's not a great deal to ask.

Problems don't respect borders. Europe is not an isolated system. Now you yell at "non-Europeans". When they will end you will star to yell each other. As Europe has always done before EU.

And therefore, we should ignore the consent of the populace?

Problems don't respect borders. Europe is not an isolated system. Now you yell at "non-Europeans". When they will end you will star to yell each other. As Europe has always done before EU.

Because we European disagree with each others we should accept migrants?
Excuse me but I fail to see the logic of your point.

See what I mean about the mentality of those who support this? They hold the native populations in contempt.

[Aelex]

See what I mean about the mentality of those who support this? They hold the native populations in contempt.

Yep. As a patriot myself, I simply can't understand the notion of Multiculturalism inside nation-states. How could you want to forfeit your own culture inside your own country? It's something that is just beyond stupidity.

[San Eulogio]

I don't want to create a world, I want to conserve Europe. I want it's lovely cultures to remain and it's people to live in peace without having to worry the horrors of Islam and extreme Christianity.

Do you even live in Europe?

I live in Italy. One of the countries unlike our (or so I imagine) welcomes many more immigrants every day than you make in a month.

Sure, probably from a middle class family.

Look, kid, I live in a labour neighbourhood (arbeiderswijk in Dutch). Many of us here have seen many of originally peaceful streets full of workers turn into migrant hellholes where crime and racism against whites is rampant and barely anyone actually has a job (and those who do mostly got parttime jobs). I actually live amongst the horror that will be the new Islamic Europe of hatred and death.

[Estein]

Because on this issue we are playing the EU integrity. We as the EU, we have acceded to the Geneva Convention, and we have the Schengen Borders Code. I think you see how in fact every country does what he want to do. The re-opening of internal borders, the barbed wire, and these things here. The question of immigration is undermining our system. Because if we are not able to put aside our pathetic nationalism and work as one great organ, then as a union we have failed. Just to make you understand, the situation we are experiencing is compatible with Article 26 of the Code.

In exceptional circumstances, where the overall functioning of the Schengen area is put at risk as a result of persistent serious deficiencies relating to external border control, and insofar as those circumstances constitute a serious threat to public policy or internal security, the Council may, based on a proposal from the Commission, recommend that one or more Member States decide to reintroduce border control at all or at specific parts of their internal borders. Such a recommendation shall only be made as a last resort and as a measure to protect the common interests within the Schengen area, where all other measures, in particular those referred to in Article 19a(1) of the Schengen Borders Code, are ineffective in mitigating the serious threat identified.

You may say, "What does all this with immigrants?" It got to do. Schegen report special cases and requires specific rules to reintroduce internal borders.In reality, every State does not follow these rules. And in the meantime, the flows do not stop. So you have this situation: there is a system of rules where laws are not followed, but only using exceptions. Basically, you deny the rule.
If you do not manage the flows, the Code allows the elimination of the Schengen acquis.
Now imagine an EU without freedom of movement. What do you think happens next?

[Ostroeuropa]

See what I mean about the mentality of those who support this? They hold the native populations in contempt.

Yep. As a patriot myself, I simply can't understand the notion of Multiculturalism inside nation-states. How could you want to forfeit your own culture inside your own country? It's something that is just beyond stupidity.

It's a result of anti-western narratives dominating universities and indoctrinating the middle class into self-loathing and contempt for their nations and history by casting western civilization as the root of all evil.
(Mostly from universities being dominated by super butthurt marxist professors who hate capitalism laying the groundwork for social sciences.)

[San Eulogio]

Because on this issue we are playing the EU integrity. We as the EU, we have acceded to the Geneva Convention, and we have the Schengen Borders Code. I think you see how in fact every country does what he want to do. The re-opening of internal borders, the barbed wire, and these things here. The question of immigration is undermining our system. Because if we are not able to put aside our pathetic nationalism and work as one great organ, then as a union we have failed. Just to make you understand, the situation we are experiencing is compatible with Article 26 of the Code.

In exceptional circumstances, where the overall functioning of the Schengen area is put at risk as a result of persistent serious deficiencies relating to external border control, and insofar as those circumstances constitute a serious threat to public policy or internal security, the Council may, based on a proposal from the Commission, recommend that one or more Member States decide to reintroduce border control at all or at specific parts of their internal borders. Such a recommendation shall only be made as a last resort and as a measure to protect the common interests within the Schengen area, where all other measures, in particular those referred to in Article 19a(1) of the Schengen Borders Code, are ineffective in mitigating the serious threat identified.

You may say, "What does all this with immigrants?" It got to do. Schegen report special cases and requires specific rules to reintroduce internal borders.In reality, every State does not follow these rules. And in the meantime, the flows do not stop. So you have this situation: there is a system of rules where laws are not followed, but only using exceptions. Basically, you deny the rule.
If you do not manage the flows, the Code allows the elimination of the Schengen acquis.
Now imagine an EU without freedom of movement. What do you think happens next?

It doesn't mean we got to stop freedom of movement. We just got to kick these overreacting rapefugees out of our continent (and kick those Turks and Moroccans out when we're at it too) and help finance border protection of the outer borders of the European Union. Honestly, I think it might be better to return to cooperation between countries when it comes to several economic sectors instead of turning it into a soviet hellhole ruled by your kind.

[Ostroeuropa]

Because on this issue we are playing the EU integrity. We as the EU, we have acceded to the Geneva Convention, and we have the Schengen Borders Code. I think you see how in fact every country does what he want to do. The re-opening of internal borders, the barbed wire, and these things here. The question of immigration is undermining our system. Because if we are not able to put aside our pathetic nationalism and work as one great organ, then as a union we have failed. Just to make you understand, the situation we are experiencing is compatible with Article 26 of the Code.

In exceptional circumstances, where the overall functioning of the Schengen area is put at risk as a result of persistent serious deficiencies relating to external border control, and insofar as those circumstances constitute a serious threat to public policy or internal security, the Council may, based on a proposal from the Commission, recommend that one or more Member States decide to reintroduce border control at all or at specific parts of their internal borders. Such a recommendation shall only be made as a last resort and as a measure to protect the common interests within the Schengen area, where all other measures, in particular those referred to in Article 19a(1) of the Schengen Borders Code, are ineffective in mitigating the serious threat identified.

You may say, "What does all this with immigrants?" It got to do. Schegen report special cases and requires specific rules to reintroduce internal borders.In reality, every State does not follow these rules. And in the meantime, the flows do not stop. So you have this situation: there is a system of rules where laws are not followed, but only using exceptions. Basically, you deny the rule.
If you do not manage the flows, the Code allows the elimination of the Schengen acquis.
Now imagine an EU without freedom of movement. What do you think happens next?

We are supposed to be able to control our external borders.
Germany unilaterally decided to invite the entire third world here. It is not the fault of those opposed to the migrants that the shengen is breaking down. It is the fault of Merkel who broke it by failing to properly guard the external border, and throwing the door open.

Shengen is only made possible by the guarding of external borders.

Had the poles decided to throw open their doors to the Russians and tell them to come on in, it would likewise have collapsed.

We are in a fortress, and have all agreed not to lock our private rooms so we may better guard it.

One of us has decided to throw open the front doors, and so the rest are nervously edging toward their own rooms to barricade them, because otherwise, there is nothing.

[Aelex]

If you do not manage the flows, the Code allows the elimination of the Schengen acquis.
Now imagine an EU without freedom of movement. What do you think happens next?

Hopefully the E.U as a political entity will fall and we will be able to rebuild it as the preferential market it never should have stopped to be.
Most of the countries inside the E.U as already reinstitued their borders control already, anyway.

[Estein]

I live in Italy. One of the countries unlike our (or so I imagine) welcomes many more immigrants every day than you make in a month.

Sure, probably from a middle class family.

Look, kid, I live in a labour neighbourhood (arbeiderswijk in Dutch). Many of us here have seen many of originally peaceful streets full of workers turn into migrant hellholes where crime and racism against whites is rampant and barely anyone actually has a job (and those who do mostly got parttime jobs). I actually live amongst the horror that will be the new Islamic Europe of hatred and death.

Police does not exist? Why instead of complaining that immigrants have made a hell your neighborhood, you does not put pressure on the authorities to le them clean up your neighborhood by criminals? I understand what you mean. It 's true, I belong to an average family household, but it does not mean that I do not see the same things that you see, when I go to college. I see hundreds of immigrants who peddle or beg. Especially peddling. But becouse some are offenders ALL should be punished? If you are a criminal, you have to go to jail. If the police does not work, is not the fault of immigrants. It's your government fault, that does not cares about you.

[Ostroeuropa]

Sure, probably from a middle class family.

Look, kid, I live in a labour neighbourhood (arbeiderswijk in Dutch). Many of us here have seen many of originally peaceful streets full of workers turn into migrant hellholes where crime and racism against whites is rampant and barely anyone actually has a job (and those who do mostly got parttime jobs). I actually live amongst the horror that will be the new Islamic Europe of hatred and death.

Police does not exist? Why instead of complaining that immigrants have made a hell your neighborhood, you does not put pressure on the authorities to le them clean up your neighborhood by criminals? I understand what you mean. It 's true, I belong to an average family household, but it does not mean that I do not see the same things that you see, when I go to college. I see hundreds of immigrants who peddle or beg. Especially peddling. But becouse some are offenders ALL should be punished? If you are a criminal, you have to go to jail. If the police does not work, is not the fault of immigrants. It's your government fault, that does not cares about you.

They whine about it being racist and how we should be better europeans and like multiculturalism.
This in itself is in direct response to the migrant communities sense of entitlement and being super butthurt whenever anyone tells them how to act in a civilized society.

So long as they aren't screaming allahu akbar and blowing shit up because someone told them something isn't cool, or asked nicely not to be massive misogynists and creepers on public streets, the government doesn't care if they rape teenagers.

Take a look at Charlie Hebdo as an example.

The government refuses to police these populations. It also seizes our tax money to hand over to them.
And keeps inviting more.
Without our consent.

It's no wonder the far-right is rising.

[San Eulogio]

Sure, probably from a middle class family.

Look, kid, I live in a labour neighbourhood (arbeiderswijk in Dutch). Many of us here have seen many of originally peaceful streets full of workers turn into migrant hellholes where crime and racism against whites is rampant and barely anyone actually has a job (and those who do mostly got parttime jobs). I actually live amongst the horror that will be the new Islamic Europe of hatred and death.

Police does not exist? Why instead of complaining that immigrants have made a hell your neighborhood, you does not put pressure on the authorities to le them clean up your neighborhood by criminals? I understand what you mean. It 's true, I belong to an average family household, but it does not mean that I do not see the same things that you see, when I go to college. I see hundreds of immigrants who peddle or beg. Especially peddling. But becouse some are offenders ALL should be punished? If you are a criminal, you have to go to jail. If the police does not work, is not the fault of immigrants. It's your government fault, that does not cares about you.

You really think you can stop this issue with just some policemen? Fuck no, these policemen are scared because their families could get harassed by muslim gangs.

Muslims in Europe have developed a disastrous ideology which is mixed from the Black 'Hoodz' culture from America and Islam. Also, it's always you middle class types preaching about "Islam is not a bad thing" when you don't SEE what is truly happening. A few hundreds of beggars do not compare to the hundreds of thousands of muslim men grouping up in gangs to rape our women and destroy everything my forefathers have built up.

[Ostroeuropa]

Police does not exist? Why instead of complaining that immigrants have made a hell your neighborhood, you does not put pressure on the authorities to le them clean up your neighborhood by criminals? I understand what you mean. It 's true, I belong to an average family household, but it does not mean that I do not see the same things that you see, when I go to college. I see hundreds of immigrants who peddle or beg. Especially peddling. But becouse some are offenders ALL should be punished? If you are a criminal, you have to go to jail. If the police does not work, is not the fault of immigrants. It's your government fault, that does not cares about you.

You really think you can stop this issue with just some policemen? Fuck no, these policemen are scared because their families could get harassed by muslim gangs.

Muslims in Europe have developed a disastrous ideology which is mixed from the Black 'Hoodz' culture from America and Islam. Also, it's always you middle class types preaching about "Islam is not a bad thing" when you don't SEE what is truly happening. A few hundreds of beggars do not compare to the hundreds of thousands of muslim men grouping up in gangs to rape our women and destroy everything my forefathers have built up.

Like I said. Ivory tower classism. Western Middle Class types hold extreme disdain for the working classes and routinely discount their experiences, telling them the middle classes know better than us what it is like to live in our own neighborhoods. They have contempt for their own civilization and its culture due to the universities and such, exasterbating already present classism in themselves.

Why don't they ever try holding a debate on islam and ONLY inviting working class people, you reckon?