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Estein
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Postby Estein » Sat Mar 05, 2016 7:59 am

Migas999 wrote:
Estein wrote:It's amazing. This thread show at a glance what is happening in reality. Every user who blames all other nations except their own, always used stereotypes,no knowledge of the law that is the basis of these issues. Virtually everyone think with the belly rather than their brain.


No a lot of people are thinking with their brain but being rational and protecting yourself, and your country from the devastating effects of extreme migration isn´t always the most humane of things


Extreme migration? They are fleeing from a war. A war that we created. When war will ends, most of them will return to their homes, just as has happened in the 90's during the Balkans war. Perhaps you are confusing a regular migrant with a displaced person or an asylum seeker.

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Postby Migas999 » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:01 am

Tule wrote:
Migas999 wrote:
But it´s not just a few people take a look at this
http://img.memecdn.com/migrant-statisti ... 17975.webp
Focus on this
"1 in 3 Syrians believe Sharia Law should underpin political legislation" and " 1 in 5 Syrians believe ISIS is a positive influence in Syria"
Among other things in those statistics, that proves that a lot of refugees would just kill us and/or submit us to sharia law if given the chance


There are 4 million Syrian refugees.

There are 710 million Europeans.

Sharia law will never be implemented.


But it stands the point most will never integrate into European society because they simply hate us read the statistics I posted
Over half of muslim immigrants in Germany want their culture to be seperate from german culture as well as sending their children to Islamic schools which will difficult integration for future generations and 51% want Islam to prevail over the whole world
You´re bloody stupid if you think these people will ever find a place in European society
Not to say none will, some might integrate but most are just to radical in their religion and culture

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Postby Migas999 » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:02 am

Estein wrote:
Migas999 wrote:
No a lot of people are thinking with their brain but being rational and protecting yourself, and your country from the devastating effects of extreme migration isn´t always the most humane of things


Extreme migration? They are fleeing from a war. A war that we created. When war will ends, most of them will return to their homes, just as has happened in the 90's during the Balkans war. Perhaps you are confusing a regular migrant with a displaced person or an asylum seeker.


No I am not because a lot are also economic migrants

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Postby San Eulogio » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:03 am

Estein wrote:
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No a lot of people are thinking with their brain but being rational and protecting yourself, and your country from the devastating effects of extreme migration isn´t always the most humane of things


Extreme migration? They are fleeing from a war. A war that we created. When war will ends, most of them will return to their homes, just as has happened in the 90's during the Balkans war. Perhaps you are confusing a regular migrant with a displaced person or an asylum seeker.

Yes, of course these people will return home! The Somalians did so too!

...Oh wait...

I'm not going to whore my country out just because some of our more inferior neighbours fucked it up. Former Dutch colonies are fine, thank you, it's mostly a French and British problem and not a Dutch one.
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Postby Estein » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:04 am

How can you say that the majority of migrants are economic migrants? To say so you need statistics. Can you provide me them?

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Postby Estein » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:04 am

San Eulogio wrote:
Estein wrote:
Extreme migration? They are fleeing from a war. A war that we created. When war will ends, most of them will return to their homes, just as has happened in the 90's during the Balkans war. Perhaps you are confusing a regular migrant with a displaced person or an asylum seeker.

Yes, of course these people will return home! The Somalians did so too!

...Oh wait...

I'm not going to whore my country out just because some of our more inferior neighbours fucked it up. Former Dutch colonies are fine, thank you, it's mostly a French and British problem and not a Dutch one.


Because in Somalia war is over, right?

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The Kievan People
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Postby The Kievan People » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:05 am

Vassenor wrote:I take it you can source that claim?


Funny, I don't see you demanding sources for the claim immigration was the key to it's success. Why does evidence only cut my way?

But, look, Ben Bernanke told me so. He seems legit. I think he runs a bank or something.
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Postby Migas999 » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:06 am

Estein wrote:How can you say that the majority of migrants are economic migrants? To say so you need statistics. Can you provide me them?

https://www.rt.com/news/330284-economic ... -refugees/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 36306.html
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2 ... missioner/
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Postby San Eulogio » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:07 am

Estein wrote:
San Eulogio wrote:Yes, of course these people will return home! The Somalians did so too!

...Oh wait...

I'm not going to whore my country out just because some of our more inferior neighbours fucked it up. Former Dutch colonies are fine, thank you, it's mostly a French and British problem and not a Dutch one.


Because in Somalia war is over, right?

It's definately over compared to several decades ago.

Besides, most of these fucks are economical migrants who are content with 1000 euros a month, I don't think they will return. If you want any proof what happens when Islam take over, I suggest you take a girl without a hijab to Molenbeek, Brussels, Belgium.
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Postby The Kievan People » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:09 am

Pommerstan wrote:Well than, than goodness the migrants can walk from Germany to France without problems.


Fortunately sanity has prevailed and the Frenco-German border is not open.
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Postby Estein » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:09 am

Migas999 wrote:
Estein wrote:How can you say that the majority of migrants are economic migrants? To say so you need statistics. Can you provide me them?

https://www.rt.com/news/330284-economic ... -refugees/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 36306.html
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2 ... missioner/


Wait a second. I'm reading them.

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Postby San Eulogio » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:11 am


May I remind you that these are the most positive numbers out there. Other organisations and parties often put the number around 75% to as high as 90%.
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Postby Estein » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:19 am

San Eulogio wrote:
Estein wrote:
Wait a second. I'm reading them.

May I remind you that these are the most positive numbers out there. Other organisations and parties often put the number around 75% to as high as 90%.


Okay, you're officially a clinical case of mixed functional illiteracy and cognitive dissonance. If you think that parties like the Northern League, UKIP, Front National and Jobbik are sources of truthful information, you have something wrong in the brain. Oh no wait, you live in a fantasy world where there is no wars in Somalia. I could imagine that even before this last sentence.
Whay don't you take your Nazi friends and go to Africa to make another genocide? You are so good at doing it. But the real trouble is if people come to us. We can do whatever we want with them, but the problem is that they escape from what WE have done to them.

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Postby San Eulogio » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:20 am

Estein wrote:
San Eulogio wrote:May I remind you that these are the most positive numbers out there. Other organisations and parties often put the number around 75% to as high as 90%.


Okay, you're officially a clinical case of mixed functional illiteracy and cognitive dissonance. If you think that parties like the Northern League, UKIP, Front National and Jobbik are sources of truthful information, you have something wrong in the brain. Oh no wait, you live in a fantasy world where there is no wars in Somalia. I could imagine that even before this last sentence.
Whay don't you take your Nazi friends and go to Africa to make another genocide? You are so good at doing it. But the real trouble is if people come to us. We can do whatever we want with them, but the problem is that they escape from what WE have done to them.

Haha, mental breakdown.
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Postby Aelex » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:21 am

Pommerstan wrote:Haha.. France had colonies long before the unification of Germany. Germany tried to seek colonies but back than all places were already occupied besides Africa so there was the focus. And please, France never had real balls to retake Elsass-Lothringen, I mean it had a wish but they were aware of the might of the German Army. The french army was always a mess and weak, Germany defeated France twice without much hardness. While the Frenchies could only defeated Germany with the help of allies who were fighting for her instead of the French. And this all say as a unpatriotic person.

Yes, it does. The reason why Merkel allow the influx of refugees it that the German economy needs manpower. If Germany was racist it could only say "but we do not need them, we should import rather whites". Instead German government decided to pass the barier and alow all the refugees in Germany.

Well than, than goodness the migrants can walk from Germany to France without problems.

An handful of colonies indeed. But if France managed to create itself the second largest empire in the world at the time, it also has a lot to do with Bismarck encouraging french colonial venture as a way to divert effort and focus from Europe.
As for your second point, you're once more quite wrong. If Boulanger almost managed to take the power in the '90, it was mostly because of it's anti-german rhetoric and a strong desire to retake Alsace-Lorraine among the population.
You should know, however, that the only reason that the said conflict didn't happen has nothing to do with the German army itself but rather Bismarck skill in it's politic as he managed to build alliances with Austria and Russia making any war be pure suicide.
However, Bismarck himself still feared a French move and that's why he did all he can to effectively isolate France in Europe while in the same time, as I said earlier, encouraging her to build her colonial Empire.

As for the German "beating the French without much of a fight", I think you REALLY do need to read some history. Fights were fierce and you will find no soldiers who participated in neither the Franco-Prussian war nor WW1 deny the courage nor skill of their opponents. If the war dragged on, it's precisely because the strenghts of the two side were almost similar. Moreover, on the western front, the people who did most of the fighting and dying indeed were the French. It seems that even being "unpatriotic" is not enough for you to make some search before talking about subjects you don't understand.

As for manpower, having masses of unskilled labour force will be of little use given most of the European economy is built around the tertiary system where they simply can't be employed.
As for them passing the border, thankfully the Schengen space is still put in iatus for the time of the Etat D'Urgence which will likely be reconducted.
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Postby Migas999 » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:22 am

Estein wrote:
San Eulogio wrote:May I remind you that these are the most positive numbers out there. Other organisations and parties often put the number around 75% to as high as 90%.


Okay, you're officially a clinical case of mixed functional illiteracy and cognitive dissonance. If you think that parties like the Northern League, UKIP, Front National and Jobbik are sources of truthful information, you have something wrong in the brain. Oh no wait, you live in a fantasy world where there is no wars in Somalia. I could imagine that even before this last sentence.
Whay don't you take your Nazi friends and go to Africa to make another genocide? You are so good at doing it. But the real trouble is if people come to us. We can do whatever we want with them, but the problem is that they escape from what WE have done to them.


God damn man(or woman) you´re one of those people who fucking refuse to see what´s in front of them
Here are a few more links tell me all of them are also invalid for some goddamn arbitrary reason you manage to dream up
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/eu ... -1.2511133
http://www.wsj.com/articles/growing-per ... 1453815921

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Postby Estein » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:23 am

San Eulogio wrote:
Estein wrote:
Okay, you're officially a clinical case of mixed functional illiteracy and cognitive dissonance. If you think that parties like the Northern League, UKIP, Front National and Jobbik are sources of truthful information, you have something wrong in the brain. Oh no wait, you live in a fantasy world where there is no wars in Somalia. I could imagine that even before this last sentence.
Whay don't you take your Nazi friends and go to Africa to make another genocide? You are so good at doing it. But the real trouble is if people come to us. We can do whatever we want with them, but the problem is that they escape from what WE have done to them.

Haha, mental breakdown.


Yes, you are right. I, as a Christian, and human being, remain too impressed by the fact that people like you exist. How can you be so selfish? How do you go against any feelings of empathy?

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Postby Tule » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:24 am

Migas999 wrote:
Tule wrote:
There are 4 million Syrian refugees.

There are 710 million Europeans.

Sharia law will never be implemented.


But it stands the point most will never integrate into European society because they simply hate us read the statistics I posted
Over half of muslim immigrants in Germany want their culture to be seperate from german culture as well as sending their children to Islamic schools which will difficult integration for future generations and 51% want Islam to prevail over the whole world
You´re bloody stupid if you think these people will ever find a place in European society
Not to say none will, some might integrate but most are just to radical in their religion and culture


Who says they must be integrated? They're refugees, not immigrants.

Again, we can sort out the rotten apples from the rest after they've arrived. You see, I have this plan:

Let's arrest, prosecute and jail people who break the law.

It's simple, but it has proven to be pretty effective at keeping countries civilized.

You´re bloody stupid if you think these people will ever find a place in European society


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Postby Estein » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:24 am

Migas999 wrote:
Estein wrote:
Okay, you're officially a clinical case of mixed functional illiteracy and cognitive dissonance. If you think that parties like the Northern League, UKIP, Front National and Jobbik are sources of truthful information, you have something wrong in the brain. Oh no wait, you live in a fantasy world where there is no wars in Somalia. I could imagine that even before this last sentence.
Whay don't you take your Nazi friends and go to Africa to make another genocide? You are so good at doing it. But the real trouble is if people come to us. We can do whatever we want with them, but the problem is that they escape from what WE have done to them.


God damn man(or woman) you´re one of those people who fucking refuse to see what´s in front of them
Here are a few more links tell me all of them are also invalid for some goddamn arbitrary reason you manage to dream up
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/eu ... -1.2511133
http://www.wsj.com/articles/growing-per ... 1453815921


I've read it. I TG you.

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Postby Aelex » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:24 am

Estein wrote:Extreme migration? They are fleeing from a war. A war that we created. When war will ends, most of them will return to their homes, just as has happened in the 90's during the Balkans war. Perhaps you are confusing a regular migrant with a displaced person or an asylum seeker.

:lol2:
Yeah. But no.
We didn't created the war in Syria. We may have fueled it but that don't make us in any way responsible for the people here.
Nor does we should be responsible for economical migrants leaving their shit-holes countries rather than trying to better it.
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Postby The Kievan People » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:25 am

Tule wrote:What many people seem to have forgotten is that doing what is right takes courage.


Indeed.

It will take real courage to deport the hundreds of thousands of benefit tourists. The courage to tell them they are lying sacks of shit.
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Postby Migas999 » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:25 am

Estein wrote:
Migas999 wrote:
God damn man(or woman) you´re one of those people who fucking refuse to see what´s in front of them
Here are a few more links tell me all of them are also invalid for some goddamn arbitrary reason you manage to dream up
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/eu ... -1.2511133
http://www.wsj.com/articles/growing-per ... 1453815921


I've read it. I TG you.


TG stands for telegram right?

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Postby Aelex » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:26 am

Estein wrote:Yes, you are right. I, as a Christian, and human being, remain too impressed by the fact that people like you exist. How can you be so selfish? How do you go against any feelings of empathy?

La Raison d'Etat n'a pas de sentiments. :)
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Postby San Eulogio » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:26 am

The Kievan People wrote:
Tule wrote:What many people seem to have forgotten is that doing what is right takes courage.


Indeed.

It will take real courage to deport the hundreds of thousands of benefit tourists. The courage to tell them they are lying sacks of shit.

Courage and an army of professional nationalists ready to take up arms if need be.
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