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Brainwashing? nope.

Just a simple test to see who cheers when they watch Schindler's list.

Kidding, but holocaust education should be mandatory for migrants from certain cultures or countries.

The balkens wrote:Brainwashing? nope.

Just a simple test to see who cheers when they watch Schindler's list.

Kidding, but holocaust education should be mandatory for migrants from certain cultures or countries.

holocaust education is on nearly all school curriculums in the western world. What reason is there for additionally mandated lessons?

Kubra wrote:

The balkens wrote:Brainwashing? nope.

Just a simple test to see who cheers when they watch Schindler's list.

Kidding, but holocaust education should be mandatory for migrants from certain cultures or countries.

holocaust education is on nearly all school curriculums in the western world. What reason is there for additionally mandated lessons?

i dont know, antisemitism present in various islamic communities?

The balkens wrote:

Kubra wrote: holocaust education is on nearly all school curriculums in the western world. What reason is there for additionally mandated lessons?

i dont know, antisemitism present in various islamic communities?

A fair point. The Holocaust and its horror are part of our national narratives in the West, whereas the perfidy of the Jews and whatnot are part of the narrative of the Islamic world.

The balkens wrote:

Kubra wrote: holocaust education is on nearly all school curriculums in the western world. What reason is there for additionally mandated lessons?

i dont know, antisemitism present in various islamic communities?

and in what way will existing curriculums not address the issue?

Kubra wrote:

The balkens wrote:
i dont know, antisemitism present in various islamic communities?

and in what way will existing curriculums not address the issue?

They don't bring out emotional responses openly enough?

Kubra wrote:

The balkens wrote:
i dont know, antisemitism present in various islamic communities?

and in what way will existing curriculums not address the issue?

Existing curricula operate under the assumption that one has a certain degree of cultural exposure and pre-existing knowledge of the event, as indeed most children raised in the Western world do. Such courses would probably benefit from a redesign to deal with the different cultural schema that immigrants bring from their countries of origin.

G-Tech Corporation wrote:

The balkens wrote:
i dont know, antisemitism present in various islamic communities?

A fair point. The Holocaust and its horror are part of our national narratives in the West, whereas the perfidy of the Jews and whatnot are part of the narrative of the Islamic world.

Which is not what should be happening in Europe of all places.

Mensirada Nysgceballada Ghebanea wrote:

Kubra wrote: and in what way will existing curriculums not address the issue?

They don't bring out emotional responses openly enough?

They don't? I remember in high school the topic being pretty graphic. Only AP kids ever learned shit with an objective lense. But I suppose those kids knew better than us, they really did. What more do you want, public declarations of repentance and self-flagellation?

I reckon that there is a simple, yet exorbitantly expensive solution to this migrant issue; thanks be to god for modern government budgeting in this case.

The solution for this dilemma is to begin mass deportation in all countries, force the "southern border" closed (unlike the United States Border with Mexico, those folks are alright; and merely need to escape poverty and the cartels, godspeed to them) due to many previously violent, if not inherently hostile interactions through history between the european and muslim world. Enmity goes deep, and for a culture set that has a hard time using an outhouse, let alone staying out of the 1300s; why assume or hope for integration?

Kubra wrote:

Mensirada Nysgceballada Ghebanea wrote:They don't bring out emotional responses openly enough?

They don't? I remember in high school the topic being pretty graphic. Only AP kids ever learned shit with an objective lense. But I suppose those kids knew better than us, they really did. What more do you want, public declarations of repentance and self-flagellation?

if it drives home the point that Antisemitism is wrong, then sure.

G-Tech Corporation wrote:

Kubra wrote: and in what way will existing curriculums not address the issue?

Existing curricula operate under the assumption that one has a certain degree of cultural exposure and pre-existing knowledge of the event, as indeed most children raised in the Western world do. Such courses would probably benefit from a redesign to deal with the different cultural schema that immigrants bring from their countries of origin.

Yeah, good idea.

Kubra wrote:

Mensirada Nysgceballada Ghebanea wrote:They don't bring out emotional responses openly enough?

They don't? I remember in high school the topic being pretty graphic. Only AP kids ever learned shit with an objective lense. But I suppose those kids knew better than us, they really did. What more do you want, public declarations of repentance and self-flagellation?

Well...I dunno, except that I do know I don't want such drastic measures. I was just suggesting a possible reason.

The balkens wrote:

Kubra wrote: They don't? I remember in high school the topic being pretty graphic. Only AP kids ever learned shit with an objective lense. But I suppose those kids knew better than us, they really did. What more do you want, public declarations of repentance and self-flagellation?

if it drives home the point that Antisemitism is wrong, then sure.

idk advocating people have at themselves with iron whips is pretty fucked up in itself.

G-Tech Corporation wrote:

Kubra wrote: and in what way will existing curriculums not address the issue?

Existing curricula operate under the assumption that one has a certain degree of cultural exposure and pre-existing knowledge of the event, as indeed most children raised in the Western world do. Such courses would probably benefit from a redesign to deal with the different cultural schema that immigrants bring from their countries of origin.

Aight, that's fair enough.

Balkan Crusader wrote:Muslims mocking Christian graves in Finland. There you have it, just spend welfare on them.

You realise for every article of Muslims doing something bad, I could just as easily counter with articles of Christians doing bad. It doesn't really prove anything.

Balkan Crusader wrote:Muslims mocking Christian graves in Finland. There you have it, just spend welfare on them.

Should we remove benefits from all citizen who disrespect graves? Because this is a pretty goddamn common thing here. Teens are having parties in cemeteries for fuck's sake, this isn't a "muslim thing". Just shut up.

Alvecia wrote:

Balkan Crusader wrote:Muslims mocking Christian graves in Finland. There you have it, just spend welfare on them.

You realise for every article of Muslims doing something bad, I could just as easily counter with articles of Christians doing bad. It doesn't really prove anything.

If someone refuses to recognize the fact that muslim immigrants, even second generation of them, commits generally many more crimes than native population, he/she's in deep denial, very at least.

But I guess it's common in Europe these days.

When I see gender equality protesters, who whines and moans about woman wages or general rights, but ignores these sad female muslim persons in black clothes, I find it as very disturbing doublethink.

Socialist Czechia wrote:

Alvecia wrote:You realise for every article of Muslims doing something bad, I could just as easily counter with articles of Christians doing bad. It doesn't really prove anything.

If someone refuses to recognize the fact that muslim immigrants, even second generation of them, commits generally many more crimes than native population, he/she's in deep denial, very at least.

But I guess it's common in Europe these days.

When I see gender equality protesters, who whines and moans about woman wages or general rights, but ignores these sad female muslim persons in black clothes, I find it as very disturbing doublethink.

I can't recall if I've actually seen statistical evidence that supports that, but since you are so sure I'm certain you'll have some that you would be more than willing to provide.

Socialist Czechia wrote:

Alvecia wrote:You realise for every article of Muslims doing something bad, I could just as easily counter with articles of Christians doing bad. It doesn't really prove anything.

If someone refuses to recognize the fact that muslim immigrants, even second generation of them, commits generally many more crimes than native population, he/she's in deep denial, very at least.

But I guess it's common in Europe these days.

When I see gender equality protesters, who whines and moans about woman wages or general rights, but ignores these sad female muslim persons in black clothes, I find it as very disturbing doublethink.

They also seem to be unemployed less than the native population. Iraqi immigrants in Finland have a 2.5% Unemployment rate, compared to the general 10%. I find this an important notion.
Also, not Muslim immigrants, North African immigrants commit more crimes than the gen pop when compared. Also need to remember that 80% of gypsies in Nordic Europe have been to jail, which is higher than any other ethnic group.

Also, what do you say we do about people who have our nationality? It's impossible to deport a legal citizen of a nation. What do we do about the evil muslims?

Throwing firebombs at refugees is no better than simply being naive. It's worse, I'd say.

Insulting Hijab isn't very fair when the overwhelming majority of women who wear it want to fucking wear it.

What will we do about the gypsies who commit significantly more crimes than any other ethnicity? We can't deport them, they're our citizen. Each and every criminal will be punished accordingly within our own country.

What I find most infuriating that our far-right illegal town patrol, Soldiers of Odin, has members with rape crime records. Many more have violence and domestic abuse records, theft, driving under intoxication, etc etc. Yet nobody complains that fucking rapists are "defending our women" from the evil Muslims, 70% of whom are children, roughly 20% of whom are Christians.

Alvecia wrote:

Socialist Czechia wrote:
If someone refuses to recognize the fact that muslim immigrants, even second generation of them, commits generally many more crimes than native population, he/she's in deep denial, very at least.

But I guess it's common in Europe these days.

When I see gender equality protesters, who whines and moans about woman wages or general rights, but ignores these sad female muslim persons in black clothes, I find it as very disturbing doublethink.

I can't recall if I've actually seen statistical evidence that supports that, but since you are so sure I'm certain you'll have some that you would be more than willing to provide.

There are numbers, if you try to find them. Problem is, that you can manipulate with statistics too, in many ways: for example, in Sweden, where is de facto incredibly high number of rapes committed by muslim immigrants, these are not always counted as a 'rapes', but 'assaults' or these are not reported out of fear or social pressure.

Danish Statistics: “Among the nine ethnic groups with the highest crime rate eight are Muslim”

“With crime rates half of that of Danes, one can not exactly blame Chinese, Indians and Filipinos to fill up the Danish prisons. In contrast, crime is alarmingly high among other immigrant groups. And it does not seem to fall. On the contrary, the same groups are in the top of the crime index year after year. …

Statistics Denmark has adjusted the crime index according to the so-called socio-economic factors. There is also adjusted for age, because there will normally be a more crime in populations with many young people. The figures are therefore directly comparable. …

On average Lebanese commit almost three times as many crimes as Vietnamese. Both groups contain refugees. …

As a leftist, I feel great shame, that left in the west and northern europe degenerated to the point, that not only they surrendered revolutionary struggle for worker rights to secondary or absolutely unimportant topics, but they refuse to see that some people needs tough love, not appeasement.
Integration is not an option for immigrants: it's mandatory, ordered, it's their duty to obey local laws and customs, because they are superior: yes, every society with gender equality, worker's rights etc. is superior to everything else.

Stalin didn't asked muslims in Central Asia, if they want so many mosques or women in black clothes. Which is one of the few things he did I can't really criticize, since today, Central Asia is much more peaceful than literally any other muslim part of world.

Socialist Czechia wrote:

Alvecia wrote:I can't recall if I've actually seen statistical evidence that supports that, but since you are so sure I'm certain you'll have some that you would be more than willing to provide.

There are numbers, if you try to find them. Problem is, that you can manipulate with statistics too, in many ways: for example, in Sweden, where is de facto incredibly high number of rapes committed by muslim immigrants, these are not always counted as a 'rapes', but 'assaults' or these are not reported out of fear or social pressure.

Danish Statistics: “Among the nine ethnic groups with the highest crime rate eight are Muslim”

“With crime rates half of that of Danes, one can not exactly blame Chinese, Indians and Filipinos to fill up the Danish prisons. In contrast, crime is alarmingly high among other immigrant groups. And it does not seem to fall. On the contrary, the same groups are in the top of the crime index year after year. …

Statistics Denmark has adjusted the crime index according to the so-called socio-economic factors. There is also adjusted for age, because there will normally be a more crime in populations with many young people. The figures are therefore directly comparable. …

On average Lebanese commit almost three times as many crimes as Vietnamese. Both groups contain refugees. …

This whole site reeks of bias. We had a Finnish news site, MV-lehti, post same kinds of statistics only to be called out by the General of Police for falsifying information, not to mention the owner of said site is a Russian criminal.

Socialist Czechia wrote:

Alvecia wrote:I can't recall if I've actually seen statistical evidence that supports that, but since you are so sure I'm certain you'll have some that you would be more than willing to provide.

There are numbers, if you try to find them. Problem is, that you can manipulate with statistics too, in many ways: for example, in Sweden, where is de facto incredibly high number of rapes committed by muslim immigrants, these are not always counted as a 'rapes', but 'assaults' or these are not reported out of fear or social pressure.

Source? For all of it?

Kvatchdom wrote:This whole site reeks of bias. We had a Finnish news site, MV-lehti, post same kinds of statistics only to be called out by the General of Police for falsifying information, not to mention the owner of said site is a Russian criminal.

You know, people often yells to my face: Prove it! Give me resource!

However, when I give them what they want, they find always some reason why it's not legit.

But which resource is legitimate? Government? So called 'independent' medias?

Deutsche Welle: "In Berlin, young male immigrants are three times more likely to commit violent crimes than their German peers."

And who ever said that nationalists, conservatives or fascists always posting lies, while so called liberals always posting truth?
After all, best lies are partial truths. And, unfortunately, fascists doesn't have to lie so much, really.

Socialist Czechia wrote:

Kvatchdom wrote:This whole site reeks of bias. We had a Finnish news site, MV-lehti, post same kinds of statistics only to be called out by the General of Police for falsifying information, not to mention the owner of said site is a Russian criminal.

You know, people often yells to my face: Prove it! Give me resource!

However, when I give them what they want, they find always some reason why it's not legit.

But which resource is legitimate? Government? So called 'independent' medias?

Deutsche Welle: "In Berlin, young male immigrants are three times more likely to commit violent crimes than their German peers."

And who ever said that nationalists, conservatives or fascists always posting lies, while so called liberals always posting truth?
After all, best lies are partial truths. And, unfortunately, fascists doesn't have to lie so much, really.

Government or police statistics are the only statistics actually worth believing.

When news sites post a photo of a man with a cut hand, claiming that an immigrant stole from him, and got that story from fucking facebook, and the police calls them out, they are an untrustworthy news site. Immigrants are more criminal than the general population, yes, but exaggeration leads nowhere. You are still more likely to get raped in your own house by your own father than by a Muslim refugee.

I have no issue with organized and nonviolent Fascists, but far-right neonazis with rape crime records I do.