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Postby The balkens » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:36 pm

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Ghatawerpya wrote:But you see that doesn't harm European culture, though it might harm integration. Until Muslims are no longer a minority in Europe the only thing they can accomplish is getting Europeans angry at their government's supposed kowtowing to Islamic traditions.

I'd imagine rampant antisemitism amongst muslim migrants might do some harm to European jews.


All in the name of Progress! after all, after a few generations, there's a chance they wont be anti Semitic!
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:38 pm

The balkens wrote:
Ghatawerpya wrote:But you see that doesn't harm European culture, though it might harm integration. Until Muslims are no longer a minority in Europe the only thing they can accomplish is getting Europeans angry at their government's supposed kowtowing to Islamic traditions.


if a Holocaust survivor is in fear of his/her own life due to the present situation, then something is clearly wrong.

what are we going to do, call the Holocaust Victims racists?

Holocaust victims might be racist. Rape victims, too. The opinion of people does not have more importance based on what they've lived through.

Not to say that it is right for holocaust survivors to fear for their lives. If that actually was the case, that would be pretty horrific.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:38 pm

The balkens wrote:
Ghatawerpya wrote:But you see that doesn't harm European culture, though it might harm integration. Until Muslims are no longer a minority in Europe the only thing they can accomplish is getting Europeans angry at their government's supposed kowtowing to Islamic traditions.


if a Holocaust survivor is in fear of his/her own life due to the present situation, then something is clearly wrong.

what are we going to do, call the Holocaust Victims racists?

No. Just give Holocaust deniers in the classroom special homework or reading and have them do an assignment or something.
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Postby The balkens » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:41 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The balkens wrote:
if a Holocaust survivor is in fear of his/her own life due to the present situation, then something is clearly wrong.

what are we going to do, call the Holocaust Victims racists?

No. Just give Holocaust deniers in the classroom special homework or reading and have them do an assignment or something.


or, call me irrational, take them to Auschwitz for a nice little tour. maybe a little history lesson, shove a book down their throats or two.

And if they continue resisting, deport them to the sun blasted shit hole where they came from?

That too much to ask?

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Postby Kubra » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:41 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The balkens wrote:
if a Holocaust survivor is in fear of his/her own life due to the present situation, then something is clearly wrong.

what are we going to do, call the Holocaust Victims racists?

No. Just give Holocaust deniers in the classroom special homework or reading and have them do an assignment or something.
Exactly. it's weird seeing a bunch of folks who probably went through mandatory public education and do not realize in what way it affected their worldviews.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:41 pm

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The Nuclear Fist wrote:I'd imagine rampant antisemitism amongst muslim migrants might do some harm to European jews.


All in the name of Progress! after all, after a few generations, there's a chance they wont be anti Semitic!

Shame that second and third generations seem to resist integration even more, IIRC.
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Postby The balkens » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:42 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
The balkens wrote:
All in the name of Progress! after all, after a few generations, there's a chance they wont be anti Semitic!

Shame that second and third generations seem to resist integration even more, IIRC.


I was not being serious. Hence the "Chance".

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Postby Geilinor » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:45 pm

The balkens wrote:
Geilinor wrote:No. Just give Holocaust deniers in the classroom special homework or reading and have them do an assignment or something.


or, call me irrational, take them to Auschwitz for a nice little tour. maybe a little history lesson, shove a book down their throats or two.

Take the entire class to Auschwitz, it would be a great educational experience.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:45 pm

The balkens wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:I'd imagine rampant antisemitism amongst muslim migrants might do some harm to European jews.


All in the name of Progress! after all, after a few generations, there's a chance they wont be anti Semitic!
Yup, pretty much. Is there a problem here?
Send enough 2nd/3rd gens to the Sorbonne and they're about ready for a reconquest of Syria on grounds we consider mostly palatable.
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Postby The balkens » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:46 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The balkens wrote:
or, call me irrational, take them to Auschwitz for a nice little tour. maybe a little history lesson, shove a book down their throats or two.

Take the entire class to Auschwitz, it would be a great educational experience.


nah nah nah nah.

only those idiotic enough to deny the holocaust altogether.

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Postby The balkens » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:47 pm

Kubra wrote:
The balkens wrote:
All in the name of Progress! after all, after a few generations, there's a chance they wont be anti Semitic!
Yup, pretty much. Is there a problem here?
Send enough 2nd/3rd gens to the Sorbonne and they're about ready for a reconquest of Syria on grounds we consider mostly palatable.


So we're sacrificing a people that historically have been persecuted for their beliefs in the half-assed thought that maybe shit might turn out well?

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Postby Kubra » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:47 pm

The balkens wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Take the entire class to Auschwitz, it would be a great educational experience.


nah nah nah nah.

only those idiotic enough to deny the holocaust altogether.
bruv if you're raised to deny the holocaust chances are you're gonna deny the holocaust
I mean why don't we go full fedora and apply this sort of thing to mormons and their gold tablets
early education is a hell of a thing
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Postby The balkens » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:48 pm

Kubra wrote:
The balkens wrote:
nah nah nah nah.

only those idiotic enough to deny the holocaust altogether.
bruv if you're raised to deny the holocaust chances are you're gonna deny the holocaust
I mean why don't we go full fedora and apply this sort of thing to mormons and their gold tablets
early education is a hell of a thing


You'd be amazed to see what forced education can do.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:50 pm

The balkens wrote:
Kubra wrote: bruv if you're raised to deny the holocaust chances are you're gonna deny the holocaust
I mean why don't we go full fedora and apply this sort of thing to mormons and their gold tablets
early education is a hell of a thing


You'd be amazed to see what forced education can do.

Good. Get kids into education by age 4 and it will probably make a big difference.
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Postby The balkens » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:52 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The balkens wrote:
You'd be amazed to see what forced education can do.

Good. Get kids into education by age 4 and it will probably make a big difference.


right, what about their parents?

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:53 pm

The balkens wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Good. Get kids into education by age 4 and it will probably make a big difference.


right, what about their parents?

Mandatory integration classes for all migrants.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:53 pm

The balkens wrote:
Kubra wrote: Yup, pretty much. Is there a problem here?
Send enough 2nd/3rd gens to the Sorbonne and they're about ready for a reconquest of Syria on grounds we consider mostly palatable.


So we're sacrificing a people that historically have been persecuted for their beliefs in the half-assed thought that maybe shit might turn out well?
Half-assed shit? This shit ain't half assed, this is the history of all tribes that used to compose the western world, the jewish tribes no less. Dominant cultures win over the less dominant in the end. What reason do we have to suppose it not the case in this instance?
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Postby Kubra » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:55 pm

The balkens wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Good. Get kids into education by age 4 and it will probably make a big difference.


right, what about their parents?
Do you believe everything your parents believed? Did they?
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Postby The balkens » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:57 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
The balkens wrote:
right, what about their parents?

Mandatory integration classes for all migrants.


And if they continue resisting?

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Postby Geilinor » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:59 pm

The balkens wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Mandatory integration classes for all migrants.


And if they continue resisting?

I don't think they would resist.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Feb 08, 2016 5:04 pm

The balkens wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Mandatory integration classes for all migrants.


And if they continue resisting?
Then they resist within their limited capacity. Of what matter is it, if one can squeeze out more than they lose?
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Mon Feb 08, 2016 5:24 pm

The balkens wrote:
Kubra wrote: bruv if you're raised to deny the holocaust chances are you're gonna deny the holocaust
I mean why don't we go full fedora and apply this sort of thing to mormons and their gold tablets
early education is a hell of a thing


You'd be amazed to see what forced education can do.

I'm legitimately terrified by this conservation.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Feb 08, 2016 5:25 pm

New confederate ramenia wrote:
The balkens wrote:
You'd be amazed to see what forced education can do.

I'm legitimately terrified by this conservation.
Depends on what is meant by it. We're all cool with mandatory public education, which is forced in some sense.
But well, balkens seems to have some sort of prison-school in mind.
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Mon Feb 08, 2016 5:29 pm

Kubra wrote:
New confederate ramenia wrote:I'm legitimately terrified by this conservation.
Depends on what is meant by it. We're all cool with mandatory public education, which is forced in some sense.
But well, balkens seems to have some sort of prison-school in mind.

You're talking about brainwashing migrants.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Feb 08, 2016 5:33 pm

New confederate ramenia wrote:
Kubra wrote: Depends on what is meant by it. We're all cool with mandatory public education, which is forced in some sense.
But well, balkens seems to have some sort of prison-school in mind.

You're talking about brainwashing migrants.
Public education is a form of brainwashing, cutting across all distinct cultural groups subjected to it within a nation. That's simply its primary function. Like yo, look back at all the shit you learned in school and you'll realize just to what degree one internalizes its lessons. I still wholeheartedly believe in trading good marks stickers in for gummy worms.
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