European Migrant Crisis Megathread

[Seraven]

Well, if this make you sleep without disturbance than ok.

Hahaha.

Your edge could split an atom.

Yeah, let us violently beat down on these people. That'll show them the error of their violent ways!

I mean damn, man. I'm speaking from personal, first hand experience of being a victim of racially focused hate crimes and I'm an edgy asshole. Well to hell with you, I guess I'm an edgy asshole.

Even though myself as a person has nothing to do with the argument, let me just say that I promise you that I am one of the most considerate, least abrasive individuals you could meet.

If I had my way, and be glad I dont, the sharia law scum would be hanged. You bet. The rapists of those young girls, I don't give a damn what color, would be hanged.

Glad to see there is at least some kind of discussion going on here.

An attitude right there.

Well, maybe this is karma. Europeans once colonized Africa, Middle East, and then left them at their worst conditions. Now, it bite them back so hard they forced to changed themselves.

I don't think the average Londoner youth cares cares about who colonized who, nor are they responsible for what happened in that point in time. So I don't think it's Europes responsibility to accept these refugees, and I think any more refugees should be turned away.

The obvious, dangerous and vocal fanatics should be deported.

All of the refugees or just the vocal, dangerous, and obvious ones?

[Arkinesia]

The funny thing is, you haven't yet established your facts about what kind of crisis would come about, because it's predicated on an absurd assertion that millions upon millions would flow into the US. Well, here's some news for you. Immigration rates into the US have been pretty level for years now and the fact is that when we restrict legal immigration it doesn't really do anything to the flow of immigrants. It just increases the share of immigrants who are illegal.

So your primary assertion is nonsense in reality. Why do you keep pressing with it?

He actually did present several problems that would come about. Are these people going to get free housing because they're immigrants? Why not give some of that to our own homeless here? We have a real problem with that.

If you think for a second that if the borders were opened Amerixa wouldn't see a large influx of immigrants, you aren't thinking.

If open borders = massive influx of migrants, where are the millions clamoring to enter Switzerland? Sweden? How come there isn't a stream of Nepalese immigrants into India? Or floods of Belorussians into Russia? You see, the issue we have here is that not everyone equivocates a desire to enter a country with getting into that country regardless of what it takes.

I just think it's a bit weird that you're accusing me of magical fairy logic when yours is even more pie-in-the-sky.

[The Archregimancy]

I've spoilered a couple of instances of a re-quoted particularly irritating (though not actionable) animation originally posted by Jochistan.

Jochistan edited in his own spoiler, for which thanks, but the unspoilered version lived on in a couple of subsequent quotes, and I've added spoilers to those.

Wah wah wah xenophobic bullshit with nothing backing it.

Boring.

Rant rant sjw anectodes youtube ragheadaretehevil removekebabeuropestronk.

I wonder how such an OP could last more than five minutes.

Because it doesn't break the rules. He asks his debate questions in the first couple of sentences, and then proceeds to offer his own opinion - at great length, and in considerable detail.

That many will feel that the argument is not particularly well-structured, is over-reliant on rhetoric and YouTube, and is written from a perspective that many here will find objectionable are not sufficient reasons to shut it down.

[Ethel mermania]

Who wants to be asleep while destroying europe, I for one, would want to be awake for that.

[Imperializt Russia]

Oh look, right-wing alarmist bullshit. It's not like we've done this song and dance before!

I was reading an article yesterday about how our generation is less politically tolerant than our parent's was.
With the rise of social media, I worry we've lost control.

[Knokkeheist]

OP's use of the word "third worlder" is incorrect, as Europe itself includes many third world countries such as Finland and others that remained neutral during the cold war.

Also, fuck off. The refugees are not here to stay. People who think they are, probably don't understand what's even happening in Europe.

They will stay and they are not really refugees and they were safe in Turkey.

[Kvatchdom]

OP's use of the word "third worlder" is incorrect, as Europe itself includes many third world countries such as Finland and others that remained neutral during the cold war.

Also, fuck off. The refugees are not here to stay. People who think they are, probably don't understand what's even happening in Europe.

They will stay and they are not really refugees and they were safe in Turkey.

So there are no wars in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan? And Turkey already has a fucklot of them. More than a quarter of Lebanon's populace is a Syrian refugee.

[Jumalariik]

Oh look, right-wing alarmist bullshit. It's not like we've done this song and dance before!

Nice. That certainly proves OP wrong. It's not as though that sarcasm does not offer any actual facts or views to the debate or anything. It's not as though you are just trying to shut him down without debating, no, that would be intolerant. Oh. Wait.

[Novus America]

He actually did present several problems that would come about. Are these people going to get free housing because they're immigrants? Why not give some of that to our own homeless here? We have a real problem with that.

If you think for a second that if the borders were opened Amerixa wouldn't see a large influx of immigrants, you aren't thinking.

If open borders = massive influx of migrants, where are the millions clamoring to enter Switzerland? Sweden? How come there isn't a stream of Nepalese immigrants into India? Or floods of Belorussians into Russia? You see, the issue we have here is that not everyone equivocates a desire to enter a country with getting into that country regardless of what it takes.

I just think it's a bit weird that you're accusing me of magical fairy logic when yours is even more pie-in-the-sky.

Umm Switzerland, Sweden, India and Russia do NOT have fully open borders. Only with certain countries. India does NOT have open borders with Bangladesh to keep from being swamped.

Truly open borders like you propose have not been tried. The US could have an open border with Canada, whithout problem. But not with the whole world. I support a open border with Canada. Ideally across all North America. Some time in the future. But Mexico and Central America need to less poverty, corruption and violent crime first.

Besides your logic that claims immigration would not increase assumes everyone who cannot come in legally does so illegally. Your "logic", not mine.

I do not believe people will all come by any means. But many would come by easy legal means if the were available.

If the the US had open borders immigration would massively increase. Otherwise we would not keep people out! Far more people try to go than are allowed. Literally millions get turned away each year. People tend to do what they want to do. Why do you think we have border controls? Immigration caps? For the lols?

We restrict immigration to reduce the number of immigrants! Is it that hard to understand?

You have no idea how much it would increase. You have no sources. You think the concept of open borders is good. But you have no plans for implementing them.

A good comcept in theory is not necessarily a good one in practice.

[BalkanWarrior]

Oh look, right-wing alarmist bullshit. It's not like we've done this song and dance before!

I was reading an article yesterday about how our generation is less politically tolerant than our parent's was.
With the rise of social media, I worry we've lost control.

You have a point. Today there is the Internet and Youtube where people can post films that are not in the line with the mainstream. In the gold old days there would only be TV and Newspapers as the only opinionmakers. Good that you admit that you lost control over "the stupid people" as it is imposible today to control Informations.

I do not agree however that our generation is less tolerant. Tolerance toward violent people was really never acceptable.

[The Serbian Empire]

Homosexuality by hanging?
Aha aha, ahahah

I thought it was by being stoned like 420 Blaze It.

[Imperializt Russia]

I was reading an article yesterday about how our generation is less politically tolerant than our parent's was.
With the rise of social media, I worry we've lost control.

You have a point. Today there is the Internet and Youtube where people can post films that are not in the line with the mainstream. In the gold old days there would only be TV and Newspapers as the only opinionmakers. Good that you admit that you lost control over "the stupid people" as it is imposible today to control Informations.

I do not agree however that our generation is less tolerant. Tolerance toward violent people was really never acceptable.

By "we" I mean of our entire generation. I believe I am part of this, and that all of NSG's "leftists" are part of this and that you are part of this and that all of NSG's "rightists" are part of this.

And everyone else, but this is NSG.

[The Serbian Empire]

You have a point. Today there is the Internet and Youtube where people can post films that are not in the line with the mainstream. In the gold old days there would only be TV and Newspapers as the only opinionmakers. Good that you admit that you lost control over "the stupid people" as it is imposible today to control Informations.

I do not agree however that our generation is less tolerant. Tolerance toward violent people was really never acceptable.

By "we" I mean of our entire generation. I believe I am part of this, and that all of NSG's "leftists" are part of this and that you are part of this and that all of NSG's "rightists" are part of this.

And everyone else, but this is NSG.

I blame the media being polarized as the suspect.

[Trumpostan]

Good on Germany. They really need to shift the burden from Greece, Italy and Malta in this crisis.

Arguably Germany is already doing its part. It's the UK in particular that's been sabotaging attempts to find solutions.

Sovereign countries can make their own decisions. Not the UK's problem that some politician in Germany decides to welcome everyone.

And not meant as a generalization applying to everyone, but I feel that in general, the USA gets immigrants who want to be 'American', but European countries do not get immigrants that want to be 'German' or whatever. Now integration isn't perfect anywhere, but it helps if most immigrants already come with a general idea of wanting to belong, and not to collect welfare. Because if you are a real refugee,you don't pass through five or six countries that are at peace in order to head to those countries with the highest welfare available.

[BalkanWarrior]

You have a point. Today there is the Internet and Youtube where people can post films that are not in the line with the mainstream. In the gold old days there would only be TV and Newspapers as the only opinionmakers. Good that you admit that you lost control over "the stupid people" as it is imposible today to control Informations.

I do not agree however that our generation is less tolerant. Tolerance toward violent people was really never acceptable.

By "we" I mean of our entire generation. I believe I am part of this, and that all of NSG's "leftists" are part of this and that you are part of this and that all of NSG's "rightists" are part of this.

And everyone else, but this is NSG.

You implied that "our" generation became less like your part. Also, we are not the same generation as althugh we are probably the same age we have different experiance coming from different parts of Europe. But hey, I really do not see the problem with this if they became

[Trumpostan]

The Roman Empire was brought down because it was too nice to refugees.

You heard it here first, folks.

And here I was thinking it was imperial overstretch and hiring mercenaries and then failing to pay them. Imagine that, you learn something new every day.

*slaps self*

@OP:

[Khadgar]

I'm shocked a thread this obviously stupid has survived the night. Disappointed also.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I'm shocked a thread this obviously stupid has survived the night. Disappointed also.

It's because idiots like us keep pushing it back up to the top.

[Noksentin]

I'm shocked a thread this obviously stupid has survived the night. Disappointed also.

Well, arguing is fun

[Wallenburg]

I'm shocked a thread this obviously stupid has survived the night. Disappointed also.

It's because idiots like us keep pushing it back up to the top.

I know. Seriously guys, let it die. There's already a "migrant" crisis megathread.

[Killdash]

It's because idiots like us keep pushing it back up to the top.

I know. Seriously guys, let it die. There's already a "migrant" crisis megathread.

Should we request a merger from the mods?

[Lonely Sage on the Hill]

Its not refugees that are the problem for people.

Its the religion of said refugees.

That however, does not deny there is no problem. OP makes a point, if the said refugees (and not all of them are refugees, I can assure you), are here and respect our traditions and laws, there is no problem. While if they demand change, then there is.

[Imperializt Russia]

I know. Seriously guys, let it die. There's already a "migrant" crisis megathread.

Should we request a merger from the mods?

Hell fucking no. That thread doesn't need another thirty pages of garbage.

[Killdash]

Should we request a merger from the mods?

Hell fucking no. That thread doesn't need another thirty pages of garbage.

Merge it with TET. It'll fit right in there.

[Seraven]

Its not refugees that are the problem for people.

Its the religion of said refugees.

Oh, really? You blame the religion?