European Migrant Crisis Megathread

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Best solution for everyone:

Send ALL the migrants to the U.S., who are clearly much better suited to integrate them then the racist, cowardly Europeans, and generally have much more relaxed, rational feeling about Islam in general.

Yay?

Well, not all of them. We do not want ever Syrian. The Sufis, Yazidis and Christians sure. They should be here already. Some Sunnis is ok, but only the really moderate ones. We do not want a single Salafi.

And who is 'we', in this context?

And why allow only the super moderate Sunni's while still allowing the Westboro Baptists?

[Crusader occupied mecca]

I've heard if you chant "left", "immigration" and "Europe" all together, three times in a row, you can 50 reactionaries summoned in your room.

But really.

This basically amounts to "the ebil brown/Muslim peple are going to take our Europe!"

Can you prove they won't?

[DBJ]

Best solution for everyone:

Send ALL the migrants to the U.S., who are clearly much better suited to integrate them then the racist, cowardly Europeans, and generally have much more relaxed, rational feeling about Islam in general.

Yay?

Or Europe adopts policies that work. Immigration is an issue Europe is failing at.

Europe has far more integration projects than the US. Europe isn't failing it's immigrants. The immigrants are failing europe. Also, refugees are very different from your standard immigrant.
Beyond that, it's not immigrants in general, it's specifically muslim immigrants which lack behind. And this isn't just true for europe, but seems to hold true for every western country.

[Vassenor]

I've heard if you chant "left", "immigration" and "Europe" all together, three times in a row, you can 50 reactionaries summoned in your room.

But really.

This basically amounts to "the ebil brown/Muslim peple are going to take our Europe!"

Can you prove they won't?

That's not how debating works. It is always on the claimant to prove themselves right, not on everyone else to prove them wrong.

[New Giliberafta]

I've heard if you chant "left", "immigration" and "Europe" all together, three times in a row, you can 50 reactionaries summoned in your room.

But really.

This basically amounts to "the ebil brown/Muslim peple are going to take our Europe!"

Can you prove they won't?

In Syria, the reproduction rate as been steadily declining, and if the Syrians reach to Europe, it is estimated the birth rate of Syrians will likely remain low or even lower.

[Grave_n_idle]

I've heard if you chant "left", "immigration" and "Europe" all together, three times in a row, you can 50 reactionaries summoned in your room.

But really.

This basically amounts to "the ebil brown/Muslim peple are going to take our Europe!"

Can you prove they won't?

They haven't in the last 1400 years. But cultures should evolve anyway, so don't fear change.

[Crusader occupied mecca]

I think he will become a mainstream voice. More and more Americans will realize that illegal immigration and political correctness are the road to ruin.

Really? Even though illegals are paying more in to the system than they get out, and take jobs no white American would ever fucking consider? And how the hell does treating other people with basic respect and not going out of one's way to offend people lead a nation to fucking ruin?

Fucking hell, the reactionaries are ramping up the rhetoric.

Unless you are truly brainwashed you should know that that is not at all what is at stake. People would take those jobs if they were paid decently. Then those workers could actually buy thing so everyone else would benefit too. They would pay in far more to the system than illegals.

And pc is just a way for people to get power over others while using alleged racism to cover.

[Esternial]

Sure, random dude on the internet.

[New Giliberafta]

Can you prove they won't?

They haven't in the last 1400 years. But cultures should evolve anyway, so don't fear change.

Plus immigrants are likely to attempt to fit in their new home country rather than ingrain their culture and take over the whole country.

[Jumalariik]

With due respect, he's not the one who has brought these people into Europe. Those who support immigration should be those who fund them and all. I assume his response would be that the ones who are the cause of the mass immigration should fix the problem. Quite frankly, the immigration situation in Europe is frightening, but what is worse is that debate is so often shut down these days.

What immigration situation? Europe's immigrant flow is pretty healthy.

Oh, ok. We're done if that's what you think, neither of us will benefit from a conversation I think. We seem to differ on a basic level philosophically. Though if you are not anti-nation, I suppose conversation would be ok.

[Novus America]

Can you prove they won't?

They haven't in the last 1400 years. But cultures should evolve anyway, so don't fear change.

Not all "evolution" is for the better. I would not call extreme social conservatism "evolution". So we have to make sure immigrants have reasonably moderate views. Most do. But the Salafis must be weeded out.

[Crusader occupied mecca]

Can you prove they won't?

They haven't in the last 1400 years. But cultures should evolve anyway, so don't fear change.

That's why they are changing tactics. Failed with brute force, so they try with subtlety and treachery.

[New Giliberafta]

They haven't in the last 1400 years. But cultures should evolve anyway, so don't fear change.

That's why they are changing tactics. Failed with brute force, so they try with subtlety and treachery.

What tacitcss? And

They haven't in the last 1400 years. But cultures should evolve anyway, so don't fear change.

Plus immigrants are likely to attempt to fit in their new home country rather than ingrain their culture and take over the whole country.

[Neutraligon]

I've heard if you chant "left", "immigration" and "Europe" all together, three times in a row, you can 50 reactionaries summoned in your room.

But really.

This basically amounts to "the ebil brown/Muslim peple are going to take our Europe!"

Can you prove they won't?

Prove they will. You have the burden of proof.

[Jumalariik]

Can you prove they won't?

That's not how debating works. It is always on the claimant to prove themselves right, not on everyone else to prove them wrong.

Well, the demographics have shifted a lot whatever you think of that. If you support that, fine, if you don't, fine. That said, they have changed and for one who is not happy about it, that is alarming.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I've heard if you chant "left", "immigration" and "Europe" all together, three times in a row, you can 50 reactionaries summoned in your room.

But really.

This basically amounts to "the ebil brown/Muslim peple are going to take our Europe!"

Can you prove they won't?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

[Killdash]

They are bringing with them the very values that caused their troubles in the first place, so yrs.

I really doubt this is anything unlike what happened to the US throughout the 19th and 20th centuries. Though the country had disagreements with the immigrants over various issues, it wasn't anything that couldn't be ultimately overcome, and the immigrants were successfully integrated. As far as I know they lost their names sometimes, and their languages and some of their customs, but never their religious affiliations.

But this influx, combined with a low fertility, and the fact that Europe is smaller by country than the U.S. is problematic.

[New Giliberafta]

Can you prove they won't?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

omg im not the only one

[Novus America]

Well, not all of them. We do not want ever Syrian. The Sufis, Yazidis and Christians sure. They should be here already. Some Sunnis is ok, but only the really moderate ones. We do not want a single Salafi.

And who is 'we', in this context?

And why allow only the super moderate Sunni's while still allowing the Westboro Baptists?

The majority of the US does not want every Syrian. Nor Salafis. That is the we.

And we cannot get rid of the WBC because they are already here. We can keep more extremists out. Although the WBC do not shoot up recruiting centers. They are just silly trolls. So they are better than Salafis.

But yeah, you want more WBC types!? We have enough of that shit, the last thing we need is more.

[New Giliberafta]

I really doubt this is anything unlike what happened to the US throughout the 19th and 20th centuries. Though the country had disagreements with the immigrants over various issues, it wasn't anything that couldn't be ultimately overcome, and the immigrants were successfully integrated. As far as I know they lost their names sometimes, and their languages and some of their customs, but never their religious affiliations.

But this influx, combined with a low fertility, and the fact that Europe is smaller by country than the U.S. is problematic.

Syria also has seen a low reproduction rate as well.

[Jochistan]

They haven't in the last 1400 years. But cultures should evolve anyway, so don't fear change.

That's why they are changing tactics. Failed with brute force, so they try with subtlety and treachery.

They as in all Muslims? It's really mostly Wahhabis or Wahhabi-influenced Sunnis. Which is a massive problem and a lot of people, but it's not like all Muslims are out to bring society down.

[Sanctum Europae imperium]

I've heard if you chant "left", "immigration" and "Europe" all together, three times in a row, you can 50 reactionaries summoned in your room.

But really.

This basically amounts to "the ebil brown/Muslim peple are going to take our Europe!"

Again. They will try to take our Europe again. Just because they now arrive on leaky boats and not on warships doesn't changes the fact that they are enemies. They already impact our politics. You can easily see it in worsening of relations with israel. I'd rather be dead than call Syria a better friend than Israel. And i guess the recent attacks on already small jewish population in europe is just a coincidence and has nothing to do with a massive surge of muslim ''refugees''. I don't even want to know how many jews left France after the attacks. Real smart move we did there, invited scum of the earth and let the best and the brightest of people leave.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

They haven't in the last 1400 years. But cultures should evolve anyway, so don't fear change.

That's why they are changing tactics. Failed with brute force, so they try with subtlety and treachery.

It's always pissed me off how many groups get these devious hiveminds. The Jews. The Gays. Now, just Middle Easterners in general.

Where's the white man's hivemind, huh?

[Talvezout]

I've heard if you chant "left", "immigration" and "Europe" all together, three times in a row, you can 50 reactionaries summoned in your room.

But really.

This basically amounts to "the ebil brown/Muslim peple are going to take our Europe!"

Can you prove they won't?

First things first, Europe is in a major birth rate decline.

Which means, that if the model continues, then Europe will have to face a severe population crisis.

However, the immigrants coming into to Europe are serving to help replace the decline in birth rates, which, in other words, means that Europe will have a steady population as the immigrants help to prop up the falling birth rates.

That being said, even if I'm wrong, we should still do our best to help the immigrants. I mean, we kinda caused the whole ordeal, so the best we could do is to stop it and help care for the migrants.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

I really doubt this is anything unlike what happened to the US throughout the 19th and 20th centuries. Though the country had disagreements with the immigrants over various issues, it wasn't anything that couldn't be ultimately overcome, and the immigrants were successfully integrated. As far as I know they lost their names sometimes, and their languages and some of their customs, but never their religious affiliations.

But this influx, combined with a low fertility, and the fact that Europe is smaller by country than the U.S. is problematic.

That will make sharing the burden definitely more problematic. They're all going to react with more individuality because their systems aren't integrated, and that's why we've got everyone from Merkel to Tsipras building fences.