European Migrant Crisis Megathread

[Imperializt Russia]

OMG THANKYOU. No one ever thinks with logic, they think with their emotions! Not to mention Sweden is the rape capital of Europe thanks to refuges

Australia, notoriously anti-immigration, had a reported rape rate (critical term, "reported") one and a half times higher than Sweden's.

[Sanctum Europae imperium]

Left wingers hate their cultures so much that they would replace it with a multiculturalist dream that really isn't meant for a place like Europe. I would have them all deported to Canada or Australia, the loony left that is. Our ancestors gave their life's on places like Tours,Covadonga,Lepanto,Vienna and this is how we honor that. Just letting them in because the UN says it is a rule completely disregarding what is the best for our people. Most of these people are young(mid 20) and should be fighting isis not fleeing from it. And when they win we send the kids and the elders back. And to those of you who say we need them for demographics i can say a few things.
Cutting the benefits on social security and pensions while cutting taxes will decrease the burden on young people and increase fertility.
We would all rather live next to a 80 year old Hans rather than 20 year old Ahmet!

[Khadgar]

I know it all too well that promoting the idea of equality, tolerance, acceptance etc can give a sense of moral high ground. And I know it all too well how addicting this can be. But what do you think, what are the consequences of these things?

What is the consequence of letting ever increasing numbers of third worlders into Europe? People, who's vast majority is not only unable, but also unwilling to accept the European norms, ethics, and way of life.
I know that many of couldn't care less for Christian values, but hold things like "gender equality" and "LGBT rights" dear. What do you think, what will happen to these things once those who punish adultery by stoning, homosexuality by hanging, and who don't let women study or take positions of power become the majority? Or do you think that these people will just discard the religion and norms they were following for hundreds of years for the sake of ours?

Wake up, and smell the ashes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc

I have seen it with my very own eyes. The so called "refugees", they are not thankfull for the free shelter, free food, free medical care, and even free internet, I have seen loaves of bread and fruits thrown on the ground and left there as if they were worthless pieces of trash (noting that a civilised person would not leave trash on the ground either). It was food that liberals, SJWs, overly naive people donated to them. I have seen them laughing as the street cleaner was picking up their shit, that they did not even bother burying. I have seen that 90% of them are men in their 20's who dared to use the very few women and children who were with them as living shields as they were assulting the border of my homeland a few months ago. I have seen it, it was not a cherrypicked footage, not a manipulated record, it was a live feed that I watched for 6 hours straight. And I have seen, how the reporters of the Western media, beign the manipulative criminals they are, encircled the single woman with her children in a mass of hundreds of migrants. And I have seen the reports and headlines of the said Western media outlets the following day, showing the face of the poor, crying child as an illustration while speaking or writing about our police's "brutality".

How brave, as this poor refugee is trying to protect his wife and kid from the overzealous riot police with his own body, right?
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/arc ... 27756b.jpg

Let me show you this from an other perspective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gAxpQEm6Mk
Notice that for a brief moment, the hand of one of the "journalists" can be seen on the shoulder of the arab woman, as he's helping the husband to push the woman down to the tracks.

Allowers of "multiculturalism", promoters of "diversity", you must repent. You must repent, because if the betrayers of Europe are allowed to continue their work of destruction with your support, history will repeat itself, and we will either be brought down and cease to exist, much like how the Roman empire was brought down by the barbarians and ceased to exist, or we will save ourselves in the last moment, but that will have a terrible price, and the first to pay it will be the traitors, who either intentionally or out of sheer naivity and foolishness assisted the downfall of our culture, civilisation, heritage, and morales.

OMG THANKYOU. No one ever thinks with logic, they think with their emotions! Not to mention Sweden is the rape capital of Europe thanks to refuges

Sweden has the highest rate of rape because their police record everything. But I'm sure you knew that, because it'd be logical to check a fucking claim before parroting it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372

[Kvatchdom]

Left wingers hate their cultures so much that they would replace it with a multiculturalist dream that really isn't meant for a place like Europe. I would have them all deported to Canada or Australia, the loony left that is. Our ancestors gave their life's on places like Tours,Covadonga,Lepanto,Vienna and this is how we honor that. Just letting them in because the UN says it is a rule completely disregarding what is the best for our people. Most of these people are young(mid 20) and should be fighting isis not fleeing from it. And when they win we send the kids and the elders back. And to those of you who say we need them for demographics i can say a few things.
Cutting the benefits on social security and pensions while cutting taxes will decrease the burden on young people and increase fertility.
We would all rather live next to a 80 year old Hans rather than 20 year old Ahmet!

What? Do you even understand how this works?

[Imperializt Russia]

So, you expect Turkey to take ALL the refugees, while at the same time claiming other European countries can't even take a fraction of the total number without society breaking down?

Obviously not. But the "refugees" are moving on voluntarily. If they did not intend to leave their respective homelands permanently, they'd seek asylum in the closest safe country where they are allowed to stay, and they would return ASAP to rebuild their countries.

There's an eight year wait in Turkey to be processed.
Not accepted and settled. Processed.

That figure was quoted in August or September. It's only going to have increased.

If I fled my country because it was being torn asunder by an impossibly violent civil war, I'm not waiting eight years to be told if I can stop being a refugee. I'm going somewhere the fuck else.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

False dichotomy, and a strawman?

Try harder.

[Alyakia]

Left wingers hate their cultures so much that they would replace it with a multiculturalist dream that really isn't meant for a place like Europe. I would have them all deported to Canada or Australia, the loony left that is. Our ancestors gave their life's on places like Tours,Covadonga,Lepanto,Vienna and this is how we honor that. Just letting them in because the UN says it is a rule completely disregarding what is the best for our people. Most of these people are young(mid 20) and should be fighting isis not fleeing from it. And when they win we send the kids and the elders back. And to those of you who say we need them for demographics i can say a few things.
Cutting the benefits on social security and pensions while cutting taxes will decrease the burden on young people and increase fertility.
We would all rather live next to a 80 year old Hans rather than 20 year old Ahmet!

ever looked at a map of the roman empire lol

[Planita]

OMG THANKYOU. No one ever thinks with logic, they think with their emotions! Not to mention Sweden is the rape capital of Europe thanks to refuges

Australia, notoriously anti-immigration, had a reported rape rate (critical term, "reported") one and a half times higher than Sweden's.

Exactly Sweden emphasizes to their citizens that they should report attacks rather than keeping it silent.

[Greater Hunnia]

Left wingers hate their cultures so much that they would replace it with a multiculturalist dream that really isn't meant for a place like Europe. I would have them all deported to Canada or Australia, the loony left that is. Our ancestors gave their life's on places like Tours,Covadonga,Lepanto,Vienna and this is how we honor that. Just letting them in because the UN says it is a rule completely disregarding what is the best for our people. Most of these people are young(mid 20) and should be fighting isis not fleeing from it. And when they win we send the kids and the elders back. And to those of you who say we need them for demographics i can say a few things.
Cutting the benefits on social security and pensions while cutting taxes will decrease the burden on young people and increase fertility.
We would all rather live next to a 80 year old Hans rather than 20 year old Ahmet!

Pretty much this. However, to be fair, I must say that no people can keep up fighting against the endless hordes of mercenaries and terrorists financed and trained by foreign powers for long.

[Korouse]

No. Not at all. First of all interventionism =/= imperialism. Please tell me any place in the Middle East America has annexed.

Second you overlook all the other factors. Fun fact, radicalization in the form of Wahhabism came in response to Ottoman rule.

The US was not an Imperial power in the Middle East as it never had any colonies or territories.

Nor was it responsible for the failure of Soviet backed Arab Socialism, and the Muslim brotherhood rising in response. Nor the demographic and ecnomic ills.

Sure the US has made things worse, but was not at all the cause root cause.

imperialism =/= colonialism. fuck sake if you're going to go all pendant get it right. oh yeah sure you'll fucking murder me and overthrow my government if i dare go against your interests and you make it very clear my existence is dependent on your favour but you never literally annexed me so i'm free as a bird, no imperialism here. do you actually believe this? what is it with the united states and piss weak defences of their obvious hegemony?

Imperialism is a type of advocacy of empire. Its name originated from the Latin word "imperium", which means to rule over large territories. Imperialism is "a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means".[2]

Taken from wikipedia.

But anyway, I'm pretty sure the Middle East isn't a "Join the U.S. or die" type of scenario like you imply it is. I won't deny the diplomatic and military Imperialism though.

[Tierra Prime]

Well, the vast majority of the Western army was made up of barbarians in the last decades, and when Rome eventually refused to pay them, they revolted and took Italy.

Buying mercs and not paying them is generally bad.

They were more settlers than mercs. The army was made of foederati, foreign troops who served in return for land to farm. It was when Rome said the foederati weren't getting their lands that they revolts.

[Planita]

Left wingers hate their cultures so much that they would replace it with a multiculturalist dream that really isn't meant for a place like Europe. I would have them all deported to Canada or Australia, the loony left that is. Our ancestors gave their life's on places like Tours,Covadonga,Lepanto,Vienna and this is how we honor that. Just letting them in because the UN says it is a rule completely disregarding what is the best for our people. Most of these people are young(mid 20) and should be fighting isis not fleeing from it. And when they win we send the kids and the elders back. And to those of you who say we need them for demographics i can say a few things.
Cutting the benefits on social security and pensions while cutting taxes will decrease the burden on young people and increase fertility.
We would all rather live next to a 80 year old Hans rather than 20 year old Ahmet!

Pretty much this. However, to be fair, I must say that no people can keep up fighting against the endless hordes of mercenaries and terrorists financed and trained by foreign powers for long.

Its going to be the fifth year now I believe.

[Novus America]

No. Not at all. First of all interventionism =/= imperialism. Please tell me any place in the Middle East America has annexed.

Second you overlook all the other factors. Fun fact, radicalization in the form of Wahhabism came in response to Ottoman rule.

The US was not an Imperial power in the Middle East as it never had any colonies or territories.

Nor was it responsible for the failure of Soviet backed Arab Socialism, and the Muslim brotherhood rising in response. Nor the demographic and ecnomic ills.

Sure the US has made things worse, but was not at all the cause root cause.

imperialism =/= colonialism. fuck sake if you're going to go all pendant get it right. oh yeah sure you'll fucking murder me and overthrow my government if i dare go against your interests and you make it very clear my existence is dependent on your favour but you never literally annexed me so i'm free as a bird, no imperialism here. do you actually believe this? what is it with the united states and piss weak defences of their obvious hegemony?

Colonialism is a type of Imperialism.

Second you grossly over estimate the power and influence of the US, which is very limited in the Middle East right now. We overthrew a few governments, but we are not murdering and invading everyone who opposes us. Obviously as we have done nothing to stop most who oppose us.

And we have relatively little influence left in the region anyways. We are not the most important player at all.

I cannot respond more specifically to your rant due to your atrocious grammar and punctuation use (or lack thereof).

[Alyakia]

Left wingers hate their cultures so much that they would replace it with a multiculturalist dream that really isn't meant for a place like Europe. I would have them all deported to Canada or Australia, the loony left that is. Our ancestors gave their life's on places like Tours,Covadonga,Lepanto,Vienna and this is how we honor that. Just letting them in because the UN says it is a rule completely disregarding what is the best for our people. Most of these people are young(mid 20) and should be fighting isis not fleeing from it. And when they win we send the kids and the elders back. And to those of you who say we need them for demographics i can say a few things.
Cutting the benefits on social security and pensions while cutting taxes will decrease the burden on young people and increase fertility.
We would all rather live next to a 80 year old Hans rather than 20 year old Ahmet!

Pretty much this. However, to be fair, I must say that no people can keep up fighting against the endless hordes of mercenaries and terrorists financed and trained by foreign powers for long.

i fucking told you we need to do something about switzerland and ireland, but nooooooooo. "it's too hard!" they say. "muh mountains! muh ocean!" they say.

[Jochistan]

Look, I hate Fundamentalists and backwards ass views as much as the next dude. But you know the way to solve this? The most effective way?

Get. Fucking. Rid. Of. Salafis. No need to throw everyone under the bus, bro.

[Imperializt Russia]

Australia, notoriously anti-immigration, had a reported rape rate (critical term, "reported") one and a half times higher than Sweden's.

Exactly Sweden emphasizes to their citizens that they should report attacks rather than keeping it silent.

I think they have different criteria for what counts as "rape" as well.

[Alyakia]

Exactly Sweden emphasizes to their citizens that they should report attacks rather than keeping it silent.

I think they have different criteria for what counts as "rape" as well.

it's almost like even with something as straight forward as murder comparing rates of crimes across countries have several obvious problems in methodology that make them almost meaningless unless you compensate for several factors, which almost nobody does even if they have all the data available to do so, which they usually don't

[Kauthar]

/pol/ is that way

Joking aside, if we're gonna redpill any marxists it will be with this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDLyKSYRqXM

What is the consequence of letting ever increasing numbers of third worlders into Europe? People, who's vast majority is not only unable, but also unwilling to accept the European norms, ethics, and way of life.
I know that many of couldn't care less for Christian values, but hold things like "gender equality" and "LGBT rights" dear. What do you think, what will happen to these things once those who punish adultery by stoning, homosexuality by hanging, and who don't let women study or take positions of power become the majority? Or do you think that these people will just discard the religion and norms they were following for hundreds of years for the sake of ours?

+1. I debated a cultural marxist the other night on the subjects of equality and immigration.
I was told that I'm a racist neo-nazi white pig for opposing immigration, then she stopped debating me after I told her that the people she wants to let in Europe would attack her for being a "pangender aromantic" or some shit.

I have seen it with my very own eyes. The so called "refugees", they are not thankfull for the free shelter, free food, free medical care, and even free internet, I have seen loaves of bread and fruits thrown on the ground and left there as if they were worthless pieces of trash (noting that a civilised person would not leave trash on the ground either). It was food that liberals, SJWs, overly naive people donated to them.

I spent a few days in Paris at the end of the summer. All I saw was military-age Arabs and Africans, laughing as they harassed a native French girl, unsurprisingly the police just stood by as they pushed her around and attacked her.

In fairness OP has a point, even if he presents it very badly. The arguments you hear are "But all the women and children being persecuted." Nope. I've seen maybe two or three children or women as refugees, the vast, vast majority have been military age men, who are fine with fighting our police on the streets but not ISIS. Fucking hypocrites.

OMG THANKYOU. No one ever thinks with logic, they think with their emotions! Not to mention Sweden is the rape capital of Europe thanks to refuges

Australia, notoriously anti-immigration, had a reported rape rate (critical term, "reported") one and a half times higher than Sweden's.

Australia is
1) not in Europe
and 2) a country built by criminals

OMG THANKYOU. No one ever thinks with logic, they think with their emotions! Not to mention Sweden is the rape capital of Europe thanks to refuges

SWEDEN
YES

[North Calaveras]

I know it all too well that promoting the idea of equality, tolerance, acceptance etc can give a sense of moral high ground. And I know it all too well how addicting this can be. But what do you think, what are the consequences of these things?

What is the consequence of letting ever increasing numbers of third worlders into Europe? People, who's vast majority is not only unable, but also unwilling to accept the European norms, ethics, and way of life.
I know that many of couldn't care less for Christian values, but hold things like "gender equality" and "LGBT rights" dear. What do you think, what will happen to these things once those who punish adultery by stoning, homosexuality by hanging, and who don't let women study or take positions of power become the majority? Or do you think that these people will just discard the religion and norms they were following for hundreds of years for the sake of ours?

Wake up, and smell the ashes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc

I have seen it with my very own eyes. The so called "refugees", they are not thankfull for the free shelter, free food, free medical care, and even free internet, I have seen loaves of bread and fruits thrown on the ground and left there as if they were worthless pieces of trash (noting that a civilised person would not leave trash on the ground either). It was food that liberals, SJWs, overly naive people donated to them. I have seen them laughing as the street cleaner was picking up their shit, that they did not even bother burying. I have seen that 90% of them are men in their 20's who dared to use the very few women and children who were with them as living shields as they were assulting the border of my homeland a few months ago. I have seen it, it was not a cherrypicked footage, not a manipulated record, it was a live feed that I watched for 6 hours straight. And I have seen, how the reporters of the Western media, beign the manipulative criminals they are, encircled the single woman with her children in a mass of hundreds of migrants. And I have seen the reports and headlines of the said Western media outlets the following day, showing the face of the poor, crying child as an illustration while speaking or writing about our police's "brutality".

How brave, as this poor refugee is trying to protect his wife and kid from the overzealous riot police with his own body, right?
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/arc ... 27756b.jpg

Let me show you this from an other perspective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gAxpQEm6Mk
Notice that for a brief moment, the hand of one of the "journalists" can be seen on the shoulder of the arab woman, as he's helping the husband to push the woman down to the tracks.

Allowers of "multiculturalism", promoters of "diversity", you must repent. You must repent, because if the betrayers of Europe are allowed to continue their work of destruction with your support, history will repeat itself, and we will either be brought down and cease to exist, much like how the Roman empire was brought down by the barbarians and ceased to exist, or we will save ourselves in the last moment, but that will have a terrible price, and the first to pay it will be the traitors, who either intentionally or out of sheer naivity and foolishness assisted the downfall of our culture, civilisation, heritage, and morales.

What do you expect, look at the culture they came from and their value system.

They make mike huckabee look like a liberal.

[Rio Cana]

Do not worry, he is moving to Brazil since he now works for the Brazilians who bought Burger King some time ago

The Hamburglar is a character created for McDonalds Kiddy Meals, unless BK adopted the idea recently...

Opps! Wrong fast food place.

[Novus America]

Look, I hate Fundamentalists and backwards ass views as much as the next dude. But you know the way to solve this? The most effective way?

Get. Fucking. Rid. Of. Salafis. No need to throw everyone under the bus, bro.

I agree with you, but this is easier said than done. Salafism has contaminated and infiltrated so deeply it is not going to to be easy to remove.

[Agerland]

The OP really doesn't at all understand how culture works.

[Kauthar]

Look, I hate Fundamentalists and backwards ass views as much as the next dude. But you know the way to solve this? The most effective way?

Get. Fucking. Rid. Of. Salafis. No need to throw everyone under the bus, bro.

This isn't the Islamic Discussion. Islam is Islam. You could say your one form of Islam but you could really be a Wahhabist or Salafist.

[Greater Hunnia]

In fairness OP has a point, even if he presents it very badly.

I'd appreciate it if you told me how exactly did I present my point badly.

[Uxupox]

Look, I hate Fundamentalists and backwards ass views as much as the next dude. But you know the way to solve this? The most effective way?

Get. Fucking. Rid. Of. Salafis. No need to throw everyone under the bus, bro.

This isn't the Islamic Discussion. Islam is Islam. You could say your one form of Islam but you could really be a Wahhabist or Salafist.

Stop right there. Islam propagates to various sects that all each have different methodology on how to according to their own interpretation of the Koran. Just like Christians they have multiple differences and it's also a big part of their own civil strife today. You literally cannot be a Wahhabist and a Shiite.