World War 2 General Discussion Thread

[Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana]

ur fault 4 not fiting better

lol
As awful as the nazis were, they fought better than anybody else at the time. (Besides the Finns, but Finland is awesome. Too cool to count) I mean so many times, SS/Wermacht units would fend off assaults 10 times their number. Though some units, like the Tiger Legion and British Free Korps were just idiotic and useless.

Now, keep in mind, the Nazis were just awful. Just awful. The Leibstandarte, SS Wiking, SS Nordland, SS Das Reich committed horrible atrocities, though they were elite troops. No excuse exists for what they did, none at all. I mean we can go into it, but what they did makes one feel sick. To me it's really weird to think if such effective troops also being so unable to contain themselves from committing mass murder.

Kinda like Alexander the Great and the Romans.

[Baltenstein]

Fury was a good movie, as long as you skip the final 30 minutes.

The final 30 minutes were awesome.

From a 300ish/popcorn cinema point of view, sure.
From a more serious point of view, less so.

[Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana]

The final 30 minutes were awesome.

From a 300ish/popcorn cinema point of view, sure.
From a more serious point of view, less so.

Well, I doubt it could be as racist as 300.

[Rhyfelnydd]

ur fault 4 not fiting better

lol
As awful as the nazis were, they fought better than anybody else at the time. (Besides the Finns, but Finland is awesome. Too cool to count) I mean so many times, SS/Wermacht units would fend off assaults 10 times their number. Though some units, like the Tiger Legion and British Free Korps were just idiotic and useless.

Now, keep in mind, the Nazis were just awful. Just awful. The Leibstandarte, SS Wiking, SS Nordland, SS Das Reich committed horrible atrocities, though they were elite troops. No excuse exists for what they did, none at all. I mean we can go into it, but what they did makes one feel sick. To me it's really weird to think if such effective troops also being so unable to contain themselves from committing mass murder.

You forgot SS-Dirlewanger.

And they really weren't all that impressive. They defeated immobilized and unaware armies who had archaic equipment, and the numbers we're largely in the Eastern front where they are often against unwilling or unarmed conscripts from prisons told to run toward the enemy. Soviet tactics also were not that great throughout the war overall mostly being human wave tactics and frontal assaults.

[The Krogan]

ur fault 4 not fiting better

lol
As awful as the nazis were, they fought better than anybody else at the time. (Besides the Finns, but Finland is awesome. Too cool to count) I mean so many times, SS/Wermacht units would fend off assaults 10 times their number. Though some units, like the Tiger Legion and British Free Korps were just idiotic and useless.

Now, keep in mind, the Nazis were just awful. Just awful. The Leibstandarte, SS Wiking, SS Nordland, SS Das Reich committed horrible atrocities, though they were elite troops. No excuse exists for what they did, none at all. I mean we can go into it, but what they did makes one feel sick. To me it's really weird to think if such effective troops also being so unable to contain themselves from committing mass murder.

SS fucks, I've read accounts where wounded SS troopers would rather die then accept medical aid from allied personnel.

[Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana]

Well, let's not forget the bombing of Nurnemburg, or the numerous times the Western allies shot German POW's (Never mind what the Soviets did in Germany, or the US taking of Japanese skulls as trophies)

[The Krogan]

Well, let's not forget the bombing of Nurnemburg, or the numerous times the Western allies shot German POW's (Never mind what the Soviets did in Germany, or the US taking of Japanese skulls as trophies)

Thanks for the reminder, which leads to the ultimate conclusion that war sucks for pretty much everyone involved.

[Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana]

A nice map animation of the War:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e_AZ3j2LbY

[Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana]

Well, let's not forget the bombing of Nurnemburg, or the numerous times the Western allies shot German POW's (Never mind what the Soviets did in Germany, or the US taking of Japanese skulls as trophies)

Thanks for the reminder, which leads to the ultimate conclusion that war sucks for pretty much everyone involved.

Brings Sherman's quote to mind.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

From a 300ish/popcorn cinema point of view, sure.
From a more serious point of view, less so.

Well, I doubt it could be as racist as 300.

"This is an American tank; we speak American. If you wanna speak Mexican, go find yourself another tank; a Mexican tank."

[Sjaelland and Fyn]

lol
As awful as the nazis were, they fought better than anybody else at the time. (Besides the Finns, but Finland is awesome. Too cool to count) I mean so many times, SS/Wermacht units would fend off assaults 10 times their number. Though some units, like the Tiger Legion and British Free Korps were just idiotic and useless.

Now, keep in mind, the Nazis were just awful. Just awful. The Leibstandarte, SS Wiking, SS Nordland, SS Das Reich committed horrible atrocities, though they were elite troops. No excuse exists for what they did, none at all. I mean we can go into it, but what they did makes one feel sick. To me it's really weird to think if such effective troops also being so unable to contain themselves from committing mass murder.

You forgot SS-Dirlewanger.

And they really weren't all that impressive. They defeated immobilized and unaware armies who had archaic equipment, and the numbers we're largely in the Eastern front where they are often against unwilling or unarmed conscripts from prisons told to run toward the enemy. Soviet tactics also were not that great throughout the war overall mostly being human wave tactics and frontal assaults.

Soviets did actually have a proper doctrine - Deep battle/Deep operation which was relatively similar to German doctrine. Here's a good image:

[The Huskar Social Union]

Its a shame the ones who pioneered Deep Battle were executed by that lunatic Stalin prior to the war kicking off. Completely destroyed soviet fighting capability and morale.

[Rio Cana]

A video of the island people that helped the allies put a big crack in the German world conquest plan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phgXXU91jtU

I will explain.

One of the main keys to winning WWII was oil. The following allied leaders said the following -

The war was decided by engines and octane." - Joseph Stalin

"Above all, petrol governed every movement." - Winston Churchill

Aviation fuel produced in the then UK. controlled Caribbean island of Trinidad kept the UK. Royal Air Force flying during the battle of Britain .

The following spoiler keeps explaining it.

In 1940, Trinidad’s iso-octane plants were the fueling point for the British air force in the critical battle of Britain. The Point-a Pierre refinery was the chosen plant to provide 100-octane aviation fuel due to it high volume of supplies produced. In the mid 1938, No.5 Dubbs and the hydrogen and iso-octane plants were commissioned, which increased cracking capacity and allowed for the manufacturing of aviation fuel. With Trinidad’s refinery being in close proximity to Venezuela’s refineries it was a target for the Germans to infiltrate. In time it became one of the largest naval bases in the world and a major convoy center. The words of Randolph Rust certainly came through, back in 1910 at the royal institute, Randolph stated that Trinidad was England’s most valuable possession in the Caribbean being as it is one of the keys to the Panama Canal and the chief source of oil fuel would make Trinidad and ideal location for a naval base.

The Royal Navy made Trinidad’s Brighton pier its main fuel depot in the South Atlantic and in the time of World War II it became the main source of aviation fuel to the Royal air Force in Britain’s battles for supremacy in the skies. Trinidad’s oil was most certainly a main contribution to the both world wars due to its production of refined oil, it made an impact on war machines both in the water and in the sky. During the second war, the serpents mouth in the south and the dragons mouth in the north and the commodious Golf of Paria was seen with the potential of being vast labor harbor. During the war this route was a vital rallying point for merchant shipping. The merchant shipping formed convoys to ship cargoes across the Atlantic to the pressed England. Cargo ships came from various places such as Australia, New Zeland, Argentina and Brazil. They transported materials such as copper, rubber, meat, wheat, flour and iron ore.

Trinidad was the assembly point for the vital oil tankers

According to Brereton, Trinidad played the following significant roles during the war in assisting the United States; it was the convoy-assembly point transmitting tankers from the Caribbean oil ports across the Atlantic to North Africa and Europe, secondly the Gulf of Paria was used by US carriers and airplanes for their final exercises before going to the Pacific Battleground via the Panama Canal. Thirdly planes for the Eighth Army in North Africa were ferried through Trinidad and lastly vessels and civilian planes from South America had to stop at Trinidad for clearance to proceed to North America and European destinations (Brereton, 1982).

Large modern photo of the Point-a-Pierre Oil refineries which was crucial in helping the allies win.
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/7402033.jpg

Large photo of Trinidad s ATS - http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/ ... ac7659.jpg

The Auxiliary Territorial Service (ATS; often pronounced as an acronym) was the women's branch of the British Army during the Second World War. It was formed on 9 September 1938, initially as a women's voluntary service, and existed until 1 February 1949, when it was merged into the Women's Royal Army Corps

Large map of Trinidad which shows the strategic gulf of Paria -
http://www.util21.ro/maps/maps_pictures/trinidad.jpg

This on the entrance to the Gulf of Paria -

At both ends of the channel of the Gulf of Paria, Christopher Columbus in 1498 on his third voyage of cataclysmic change was nearly shipwrecked. Because these passages were so dangerous he called them Boca del Sierpe (serpent's mouth) and the 19-km-wide Boca del Drago (dragon's mouth).

Even though these passages were dangerous. the Germans ventured into that Gulf.

U-161‍ '​s second sortie proved to be successful, damaging British Consul and Mokihana on 19 February 1942 while the ship rode at anchor in the Gulf of Paria off Port of Spain, Trinidad

This on oil during WW II - http://eiaonline.com/history/bloodforoil.htm

[Sjaelland and Fyn]

Its a shame the ones who pioneered Deep Battle were executed by that lunatic Stalin prior to the war kicking off. Completely destroyed soviet fighting capability and morale.

They did end up relearning it by winter of 1942, though, as shown by the map. You can notice how many of the first moves were encircling moves before going into the exploitation stage.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Its a shame the ones who pioneered Deep Battle were executed by that lunatic Stalin prior to the war kicking off. Completely destroyed soviet fighting capability and morale.

They did end up relearning it by winter of 1942, though, as shown by the map. You can notice how many of the first moves were encircling moves before going into the exploitation stage.

Indeed, they should have been doing that from the get go, if only Stalin didn't purge the Officer corps.

[Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana]

They did end up relearning it by winter of 1942, though, as shown by the map. You can notice how many of the first moves were encircling moves before going into the exploitation stage.

Indeed, they should have been doing that from the get go, if only Stalin didn't purge the Officer corps.

Zhukov et. al. were good generals, but the low level Soviet leadership was awful.

[The Conez Imperium]

Got a question for all WW2 connoisseurs, taken from a stupid general knowledge quiz

I am a Volcano
I held military fortifications
I am famous

What is my name?

Mount Siribatchi

YES ! Such a ridiculous question one would put in a test. (Oh and congratulations for anyone else who got close, ie Iwo Jima).

[Shamhnan Insir]

We'll never see a war like it again. And I say this, in truth, with sadness.
The way we fight now sucks out any possibility for honour and true armed combat.

[Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana]

We'll never see a war like it again. And I say this, in truth, with sadness.
The way we fight now sucks out any possibility for honour and true armed combat.

Brings this to mind:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbuUW9i-mHs

[Alaskan Democratic Federative Republic]

Q: If this place is for discussing WWII history, can we talk about the Nazis ?

A: Yes and no. If used in the proper context, a discussion about the Nazis is acceptable. Let me reiterate, this is not a place to come and flame users, countries or political groups whose beliefs may differ from yours. While the military history of Germany has produced fine examples of warriors and commanders as well as impressive technology, Nazism is not cool and anyone who identifies themselves as a Nazi by embracing the Holocaust , expression of ideology, or even racism, will get reported to the moderation. The same context holds true for all theaters of war including, but not limited to, the European and Pacific theaters.

Identifying as a Nazi is not against site rules. Neither is promoting National Socialism. Would you like to join the NSDAP? We have beer.

Racism is allowed too, but I try to avoid being racist.

I get that , but my problem is if your going to be letting your open then that okay , but I want the whole thread turning into a flame war, because of trolls . I really only want to be about World War 2 .

[Internationalist Bastard]

We'll never see a war like it again. And I say this, in truth, with sadness.
The way we fight now sucks out any possibility for honour and true armed combat.

War always sucks.

[The Krogan]

We'll never see a war like it again. And I say this, in truth, with sadness.
The way we fight now sucks out any possibility for honour and true armed combat.

Cause you know, drowning in your own blood in some fucking field just reeks of honor.

[Internationalist Bastard]

We'll never see a war like it again. And I say this, in truth, with sadness.
The way we fight now sucks out any possibility for honour and true armed combat.

Cause you know, drowning in your own blood in some fucking field just reeks of honor.

When getting shot at, I wonder if people will even know the name of the place. Honor is not in war. Even in war that's not really war.

[Saiwania]

We'll never see a war like it again. And I say this, in truth, with sadness.
The way we fight now sucks out any possibility for honour and true armed combat.

The closest equivalent that today has is the war against the Islamic State, but in order for it to escalate into a true world war, IS will need to seize full control of real regional powers such as Turkey, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia, then to be able to throw the captured equipment and loot into pulling off successful invasions of neighboring countries which will draw in military heavy weights such as Russia, China, and the US. The war as it stands now will fall short of this, because IS can't hope to take on regional powers such as Iran and clearly isn't dominating Iraq or Syria either.

A modern world war which is conventional will be fought with fewer ground troops and with very different weapons that are more powerful than could be found in the early 20th century but the military and civilian death toll will probably be lower provided it doesn't go nuclear.

[Internationalist Bastard]

We'll never see a war like it again. And I say this, in truth, with sadness.
The way we fight now sucks out any possibility for honour and true armed combat.

The closest equivalent that today has is the war against the Islamic State, but in order for it to escalate into a true world war, IS will need to seize full control of real regional powers such as Turkey, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia, then to be able to throw the captured equipment and loot into pulling off successful invasions of neighboring countries which will draw in military heavy weights such as Russia, China, and the US. The war as it stands now will fall short of this, because IS can't hope to take on regional powers such as Iran and clearly isn't dominating Iraq or Syria either.

I really will give up on everything if WW3 occurs.