World War 2 General Discussion Thread

[Esceen]

I could of taken those beaches without a single casualty.

Wat are you doing on NationStates rambo

[The balkens]

I could of taken those beaches without a single casualty.

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Kek.


Now actually think of a invasion plan that involves a massive numbers of forces landing on a beach that is defended by a punch of people with High ROF weapons, artillery and minimal air support. These people are trained, battle hardened and well-equipped. they will fight savagely.

[Imperializt Russia]

I could of taken those beaches without a single casualty.

The allies put a million men in Normandy in a month.
Nah.

[United Kingdom of Poland]

you know the more I learn about Churchill during the war the more he seems a lot like hitler in the "I'll try planning ops without having the knowledge to do so" department.

[The balkens]

you know the more I learn about Churchill during the war the more he seems a lot like hitler in the "I'll try planning ops without having the knowledge to do so" department.

Theres a reason why they fired him in ww1.

[The Two Jerseys]

you know the more I learn about Churchill during the war the more he seems a lot like hitler in the "I'll try planning ops without having the knowledge to do so" department.

Churchill graduated 8th in his class at Sandhurst and had experience commanding troops at up to battalion level, he's still way more qualified to plan operations than an Austrian corporal is.

[Redsection]

What about sidearms,what do you like?

Don't know much about sidearms except for the stereotypical luger and M1911. Yours?

The astra 300

[The balkens]

you know the more I learn about Churchill during the war the more he seems a lot like hitler in the "I'll try planning ops without having the knowledge to do so" department.

Churchill graduated 8th in his class at Sandhurst and had experience commanding troops at up to battalion level, he's still way more qualified to plan operations than an Austrian corporal is.

he was Austria's revenge, i swear to god.

[United Kingdom of Poland]

you know the more I learn about Churchill during the war the more he seems a lot like hitler in the "I'll try planning ops without having the knowledge to do so" department.

Churchill graduated 8th in his class at Sandhurst and had experience commanding troops at up to battalion level, he's still way more qualified to plan operations than an Austrian corporal is.

then explain all his actions in the med.

[The Two Jerseys]

Churchill graduated 8th in his class at Sandhurst and had experience commanding troops at up to battalion level, he's still way more qualified to plan operations than an Austrian corporal is.

then explain all his actions in the med.

I didn't say that he should be planning operations, I'm just saying that he's more qualified to do so than Hitler was.

[Imperializt Russia]

Churchill graduated 8th in his class at Sandhurst and had experience commanding troops at up to battalion level, he's still way more qualified to plan operations than an Austrian corporal is.

then explain all his actions in the med.

What about them? The Allies won in North Africa, Sicily and Italy. The Axis were put in a strangehold by the Royal Navy, particularly submarine operations that, amongst other factors, basically gelded the Afrika Korps.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I could of taken those beaches without a single casualty.

.... riiiiiiight

Tell me your glorious and non faulty invasion plan on wise and illustrious Keyboard field Marshall.

[United Kingdom of Poland]

then explain all his actions in the med.

What about them? The Allies won in North Africa, Sicily and Italy. The Axis were put in a strangehold by the Royal Navy, particularly submarine operations that, amongst other factors, basically gelded the Afrika Korps.

but we could have won it in 1940-41 (before Rommel even got there) if Churchill hadn't forced Wavell to halt the advance and hold his reserves in preparation for Greece (an expedition that more or less wasted those forces and equipment)

[Imperializt Russia]

What about them? The Allies won in North Africa, Sicily and Italy. The Axis were put in a strangehold by the Royal Navy, particularly submarine operations that, amongst other factors, basically gelded the Afrika Korps.

but we could have won it in 1940-41 (before Rommel even got there) if Churchill hadn't forced Wavell to halt the advance and hold his reserves in preparation for Greece (an expedition that more or less wasted those forces and equipment)

Doubtful what-if scenario is doubtful.

If we'd done a better job of enforcing the Treaty of Versailles, maybe we could have stopped WWII in about 1920

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

but we could have won it in 1940-41 (before Rommel even got there) if Churchill hadn't forced Wavell to halt the advance and hold his reserves in preparation for Greece (an expedition that more or less wasted those forces and equipment)

Doubtful what-if scenario is doubtful.

If we'd done a better job of enforcing the Treaty of Versailles, maybe we could have stopped WWII in about 1920

If Britain hand't stopped Napoleon, the Confederation of the Rhine would have supplanted Prussia as the major German state, which would've meant the militarised Prussian regime never lead the German empire. As a result, Germany would've never played the role it had in WW1, thus meaning the treaty of Versailles wouldn't be signed.

Eventually, it's Britain's fault somehow. I'll get better in this any day now...

[Eol Sha]

I could of taken those beaches without a single casualty.

.... riiiiiiight

Tell me your glorious and non faulty invasion plan on wise and illustrious Keyboard field Marshall.

Invade across the Straits of Dover. *nod*

[Imperializt Russia]

.... riiiiiiight

Tell me your glorious and non faulty invasion plan on wise and illustrious Keyboard field Marshall.

Invade across the Straits of Dover. *nod*

"It's exactly what they'd suspect! Therefore, it's what they will least expect!"

[Eol Sha]

Invade across the Straits of Dover. *nod*

"It's exactly what they'd suspect! Therefore, it's what they will least expect!"

Better plan! A three-pronged invasion across the Straits, at Rotterdam, and at Cherbourg. The Germans will have to divide up their forces and therefore be weaker when they fight back.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

then explain all his actions in the med.

I didn't say that he should be planning operations, I'm just saying that he's more qualified to do so than Hitler was.

Churchill was a singularly great Defense Minister (IE British military supremo) because he was smart enough, even at his whiniest points, to not force his will on people and to not overrule his commanders when they got stuck in. The Mediterranean campaign was his baby, but they weren't "his" actions - his grand strategies were shared and implemented by a host of Generals. I think Gallipoli had taught him the importance of not trying to carry everything yourself and bullying/forcing people to do what you want.
Hitler, on the other hand, went the other way, which obviously had huge negative impacts as the war went on.

[Ardavia]

.... riiiiiiight

Tell me your glorious and non faulty invasion plan on wise and illustrious Keyboard field Marshall.

Invade across the Straits of Dover. *nod*

"It's brilliant! Fritz will never expect the obvious!"

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

"It's exactly what they'd suspect! Therefore, it's what they will least expect!"

Better plan! A three-pronged invasion across the Straits, at Rotterdam, and at Cherbourg. The Germans will have to divide up their forces and therefore be weaker when they fight back.

Have you seen the beaches of Rotterdam? Those things are hundreds of meters long, filled with barbed wire and tank traps. Not the short beaches of Normandy. Any troops going in there will be cut to pieces. Besides, a three-pronged attack could not resist counter attacks, and might have convinced the army staff to deploy panzer SS units.

[Eol Sha]

Better plan! A three-pronged invasion across the Straits, at Rotterdam, and at Cherbourg. The Germans will have to divide up their forces and therefore be weaker when they fight back.

Have you seen the beaches of Rotterdam? Those things are hundreds of meters long, filled with barbed wire and tank traps. Not the short beaches of Normandy. Any troops going in there will be cut to pieces. Besides, a three-pronged attack could not resist counter attacks, and might have convinced the army staff to deploy panzer SS units.

I'm speaking sarcastically.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Have you seen the beaches of Rotterdam? Those things are hundreds of meters long, filled with barbed wire and tank traps. Not the short beaches of Normandy. Any troops going in there will be cut to pieces. Besides, a three-pronged attack could not resist counter attacks, and might have convinced the army staff to deploy panzer SS units.

I'm speaking sarcastically.

You can never be too sure...

[United Kingdom of Poland]

I didn't say that he should be planning operations, I'm just saying that he's more qualified to do so than Hitler was.

Churchill was a singularly great Defense Minister (IE British military supremo) because he was smart enough, even at his whiniest points, to not force his will on people and to not overrule his commanders when they got stuck in. The Mediterranean campaign was his baby, but they weren't "his" actions - his grand strategies were shared and implemented by a host of Generals. I think Gallipoli had taught him the importance of not trying to carry everything yourself and bullying/forcing people to do what you want.
Hitler, on the other hand, went the other way, which obviously had huge negative impacts as the war went on.

ok so everyone between him and Wavell were morons then.

[Imperializt Russia]

Churchill was a singularly great Defense Minister (IE British military supremo) because he was smart enough, even at his whiniest points, to not force his will on people and to not overrule his commanders when they got stuck in. The Mediterranean campaign was his baby, but they weren't "his" actions - his grand strategies were shared and implemented by a host of Generals. I think Gallipoli had taught him the importance of not trying to carry everything yourself and bullying/forcing people to do what you want.
Hitler, on the other hand, went the other way, which obviously had huge negative impacts as the war went on.

ok so everyone between him and Wavell were morons then.

Except from no.