World War 2 General Discussion Thread

[Finland SSR]

Don't worry, the other side collapses after a while.

It's 2015. When's it gonna happen?

We should keep ignoring their childish rants just in case it's actually working.

[Alaskan Democratic Federative Republic]

-Murder 15 million people in the Holocaust
-"Relatively peaceful live in occupied Europe"

-Murder 20 million people under soviet rule-

More peaceful than you'd think.

Nazi Germany was the enemy during WWII. I think this is the kicker, because while Stalin was arguably as ruthless and power-hungry as Hitler, he didn't involve a good portion of the globe in one of the biggest wars in history.

On the contrary, the USSR fought on the side of the Allies (and was thus a "good guy" despite Stalin's earlier cooperation with Hitler). Also, they had the most casualties out of all participants in WWII (65% of Allied military deaths), so they definitely get sympathy for that.


Founding philosophies. Fascism is a pretty repulsive political philosophy at its root. It encourages hypernationalism (supporting violence and war to strengthen one's country), discourages individualism/multiculturalism, and is based on totalitarian rule. The Soviet Union, on the other hand, was founded on the beliefs of Marx and Lenin, which were intended to give power to the oppressed and create an equal society. Considering that prior to the revolution, Russia was still a feudal society and weakened state, it's even possible to argue that Soviet rule was overall positive.

The atrocities associated with the USSR are very much a result of bad leadership and implementation, particularly on the part of Stalin. Therefore, Stalin vs. Hitler is a much more difficult comparison of "who was more evil" than the USSR vs. Nazi Germany. But even Stalin is generally viewed more favorably because...
Stalin killed mostly his own people. Sounds like a terrible reason why Stalin would be considered LESS evil, but it's true.

The USSR caused far less deaths outside its political borders than Nazi Germany did. A country that caused millions of your own countrymen to die will naturally seem more evil than a country that did not.

The Holocaust was fueled by racism. Hitler massacred millions of Jews for the sole reason that he hated Jews. The murders committed under Stalin were largely politically motivated. For example, the Katyn massacre (one of the most infamous) was perpetrated to wipe out Polish military talent to debilitate Poland as a potential rival or enemy in the future. The Great Terror was also political in that it targeted people thought to be traitors and political threats. Not that these excuse Stalin's large death toll, but because there is no dearth of authoritarian rulers who commit crimes against humanity to maintain power throughout history (including some who are viewed favorably regardless), Stalin's actions are nothing new. History has desensitized us somewhat to his brand of evil, whereas ethnic genocide is perceived as more morally despicable (perhaps because there's no logical reasoning behind it). Though Stalin did deport minorities, deportation still pales in comparison to the methods used during the Holocaust. Which brings me to the last point...
The Holocaust was more disturbing. Similar to the above point about Stalin's brand of evil being more familiar and thus having less of an impact, the methods used during the Holocaust feel more graphic and inhumane. .

Deaths in the USSR mainly resulted from shooting, gulags, and famine. The clinical execution methods used at concentration camps, the separate gassing of women and children, the science experiments carried out on the victims, etc. are far more grotesque in comparison. Thus, Stalin comes off as an extremely corrupt and ruthless leader, while Hitler comes off as more of a monster.

[Eol Sha]

General Discussion? Well, I'd have to say Patton was by far the most interesting. They made a movie about him, ya know.

Really? What's it called?

[Alaskan Democratic Federative Republic]

General Discussion? Well, I'd have to say Patton was by far the most interesting. They made a movie about him, ya know.

Really? What's it called?

It called Patton .

[Rhyfelnydd]

Really? What's it called?

It called Patton .

I prefer Battle of the Bulge with Nazi Colonel Quint from Jaws

[The Empire of Pretantia]

It called Patton .

I prefer Battle of the Bulge with Nazi Colonel Quint from Jaws

I like Fury, because it used tanks that actually were from the war. Also, Kelly's Heroes and Girls und Panzer.

[The New Byzantine II]

Generation War - Part I
Generation War - Part II
Generation War - Part III

Hello guys and girls, you must look at this German teleseries. It is a true-to-life story though, well, I don't want any spoiler from this but you must watch it. It takes place in WWII German perspective.

[Baltenstein]

Generation War - Part I
Generation War - Part II
Generation War - Part III

Hello guys and girls, you must look at this German teleseries. It is a true-to-life story though, well, I don't want any spoiler from this but you must watch it. It takes place in WWII German perspective.

While a solid series all in all, it contains some very questionable elements. The portrayal of the Polish resistance (which, apparently, was more concerned with killing Jews than fighting the Germans) is among those.

[Rhyfelnydd]

I prefer Battle of the Bulge with Nazi Colonel Quint from Jaws

I like Fury, because it used tanks that actually were from the war. Also, Kelly's Heroes and Girls und Panzer.

I knew it used the last functioning Tiger I. Tiger 131 I think. I don't know about the Shermans and such though.

Longest Day is good too.

[Eol Sha]

Really? What's it called?

It called Patton .

Son of a-

Thanks.

I prefer Battle of the Bulge witah Nazi Colonel Quint from Jaws

I like Fury, because it used tanks that actually were from the war. Also, Kelly's Heroes and Girls und Panzer.

Loved Fury and Girls und Panzer. Haven't seen Kelly's Heroes, though.

[The New Byzantine II]

Generation War - Part I
Generation War - Part II
Generation War - Part III

Hello guys and girls, you must look at this German teleseries. It is a true-to-life story though, well, I don't want any spoiler from this but you must watch it. It takes place in WWII German perspective.

While a solid series all in all, it contains some very questionable elements. The portrayal of the Polish resistance (which, apparently, was more concerned with killing Jews than fighting the Germans) is among those.

Your correct. The Polish Partisans during the WWII really hates Jews because it brings them bad luck from the Germans. By the way, did you already see this series?

[Sun Wukong]

Generation War - Part I
Generation War - Part II
Generation War - Part III

Hello guys and girls, you must look at this German teleseries. It is a true-to-life story though, well, I don't want any spoiler from this but you must watch it. It takes place in WWII German perspective.

It's also an excellent example of unnecessary re-branding. The German title was fine.

...though I can see why they might be afraid of things getting lost in translation after "The Guy of the Rings."

[The New Byzantine II]

Generation War - Part I
Generation War - Part II
Generation War - Part III

Hello guys and girls, you must look at this German teleseries. It is a true-to-life story though, well, I don't want any spoiler from this but you must watch it. It takes place in WWII German perspective.

It's also an excellent example of unnecessary re-branding. The German title was fine.

...though I can see why they might be afraid of things getting lost in translation after "The Guy of the Rings."

I didn't know that, lol.

[The Krogan]

I prefer Battle of the Bulge with Nazi Colonel Quint from Jaws

I like Fury, because it used tanks that actually were from the war. Also, Kelly's Heroes and Girls und Panzer.

I talked with my prof about that, apparently there was some things that were quite off.

[Cankristia]

May I ask why you think the Nazis should have won?

With a unified Nazi Europe, our modern period of decadence would never have come about. The soviets would have been pushed back to the Urals, and war would still be going on around there, and I could imagine the UK would be a nuisance to rule over, what with all the plans for insurrection and resistance, but it would be a relatively peaceful life in occupied Europe, provided you fit the bill physically and mentally.

Would you actually support "physically and mentally" being defined by race?

Because if so, your "beliefs" venture into the realm of disagreement with facts.

Scientifically and anthropologically, race doesn't exist. It's an illusion. There are merely seperate cultures.

[Baltenstein]

While a solid series all in all, it contains some very questionable elements. The portrayal of the Polish resistance (which, apparently, was more concerned with killing Jews than fighting the Germans) is among those.

Your correct. The Polish Partisans during the WWII really hates Jews because it brings them bad luck from the Germans. By the way, did you already see this series?

I've seen all of it. While there certainly was anti-Semitism in the ranks of the Polish resistance during WW2 (I mean, which part of Europe didn't have anti-Semitism back then, really) it was most definitely not the Armia Krajowa's most defining characteristic, like it's portrayed in the series.

The most jarring example has to be the scene where a Polish partisan opens a train wagon full of concentration camp prisoners - and upon the mere suspicion that the passengers are Jews, immediately locks it again. WTF. He didn't even ask who was inside. Those could just as well have been Polish POWs/resistance members.

Another rather "meh" aspect of the series is the usual black-and-white portrayal of the relationship between National Socialism and the average German citizen. The German characters are either Nazis and complete assholes, or apolitical and sympathetic. This really doesn't do the complex influence the totalitarian ideology had upon German society at large justice.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I like Fury, because it used tanks that actually were from the war. Also, Kelly's Heroes and Girls und Panzer.

I talked with my prof about that, apparently there was some things that were quite off.

I know, like how tanking isn't a sport, let alone woman's tanking.

[Baltenstein]

I like Fury, because it used tanks that actually were from the war. Also, Kelly's Heroes and Girls und Panzer.

I talked with my prof about that, apparently there was some things that were quite off.

Fury was a good movie, as long as you skip the final 30 minutes.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I talked with my prof about that, apparently there was some things that were quite off.

Fury was a good movie, as long as you skip the final 30 minutes.

The final 30 minutes were awesome.

[Rhyfelnydd]

May I ask why you think the Nazis should have won?

it would be a relatively peaceful life in occupied Europe, provided you fit the bill physically and mentally.

And of course racially, given that they would be killing off half of Europe since they did not fit this "bill". Slav, Roma, Jewish, Homosexual, Mentally handicapped, physically handicapped, one with differing political views, Poles, and Russians. All treated worse than animals and shipped in complete blackness by rail to be systematically exterminated like it is some sort of manufacturing process Millions more living in constant terror and oppression. Sounds downright Fucking peachy.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I prefer Battle of the Bulge with Nazi Colonel Quint from Jaws

I like Fury, because it used tanks that actually were from the war. Also, Kelly's Heroes and Girls und Panzer.

I'm personally a fan of Hogans Heroes

[Jumalariik]

Wrong side won.

ur fault 4 not fiting better

lol
As awful as the nazis were, they fought better than anybody else at the time. (Besides the Finns, but Finland is awesome. Too cool to count) I mean so many times, SS/Wermacht units would fend off assaults 10 times their number. Though some units, like the Tiger Legion and British Free Korps were just idiotic and useless.

Now, keep in mind, the Nazis were just awful. Just awful. The Leibstandarte, SS Wiking, SS Nordland, SS Das Reich committed horrible atrocities, though they were elite troops. No excuse exists for what they did, none at all. I mean we can go into it, but what they did makes one feel sick. To me it's really weird to think if such effective troops also being so unable to contain themselves from committing mass murder.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I talked with my prof about that, apparently there was some things that were quite off.

I know, like how tanking isn't a sport, let alone woman's tanking.

My best friend is a tank crewwoman.

[Vernoi]

I talked with my prof about that, apparently there was some things that were quite off.

I know, like how tanking isn't a sport, let alone woman's tanking.

"Coming up next, the 1940 International Tanking Championships, live from Paris!"

I like Fury, because it used tanks that actually were from the war. Also, Kelly's Heroes and Girls und Panzer.

I'm personally a fan of Hogans Heroes

What did you type?

Because I see nothing! NOTHING!

[Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana]

I like Fury, because it used tanks that actually were from the war. Also, Kelly's Heroes and Girls und Panzer.

I'm personally a fan of Hogans Heroes

Simply awesome show. In a similar vein, the British show Dad's Army is great too, and like Hogan's nearly all the episodes are available on YouTube. It's about a Home Guard platoon. I personally consider Dad's army the better show thanks to some really creative plots (Hogan's can get repetitive sometimes.) On Hogan's did you know that all the main Nazi actors were Jewish? (The guy who played Hochstetter actually survived a concentration camp)