World War 2 General Discussion Thread

[Morrow den]

How terrifying would it be to be in a Sherman and encountering this while patrolling.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerkampfwagen_E-100#

[The Empire of Pretantia]

How terrifying would it be to be in a Sherman and encountering this while patrolling.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerkampfwagen_E-100#

Not very; a partially built prototype is nothing to be concerned about.

[Brickistan]

How terrifying would it be to be in a Sherman and encountering this while patrolling.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerkampfwagen_E-100#

Even if an E-100 or Maus had been completed, there would have been too few of them to matter much.

If you were in a Sherman and was forced to deal with one, then you would simply get the hell out of there and call in airstrikes. A big lumbering tank like that would be omnomnom for any Typhon or Thunderbolt on roving patrol nearby.

Mind you, the Allies were not idle when it came to super heavy tanks. The Brits were working on the Tortoise and the Americans on the T-28.





Ultimately though, just as with the Battleship, WW2 was the swansong of the super heavy tank concept. Not only were they sitting ducks for ground-attack aircraft, but advances in armour piercing rounds quickly made that sort of armour obsolete. From now on, medium tanks would dominate the battlefield, eventually evolving into the MBT concept that we see today.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Ultimately though, just as with the Battleship, WW2 was the swansong of the super heavy tank concept.

More like high school poetry that never got published.

[The Huskar Social Union]

How terrifying would it be to be in a Sherman and encountering this while patrolling.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerkampfwagen_E-100#

Not alot since they never entered service or even full production. And then all the Sherman has to do is pull back, and watch the thing get obliterated with Artillery and airstrikes, then move on.

[Baltenstein]

How terrifying would it be to be in a Sherman and encountering this while patrolling.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerkampfwagen_E-100#

Super heavy tanks are only scary in video games.

[The Huskar Social Union]

How terrifying would it be to be in a Sherman and encountering this while patrolling.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerkampfwagen_E-100#

Super heavy tanks are only scary in video games.

Yup, such as the Mighty Baneblade of the Imperium of Man!

IRL, nah.

[The Krogan]

Super heavy tanks are only scary in video games.

Yup, such as the Mighty Baneblade of the Imperium of Man!

IRL, nah.

Man, a Baneblade would destroy everything.

[Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana]

Ultimately though, just as with the Battleship, WW2 was the swansong of the super heavy tank concept.

More like high school poetry that never got published.

Also was the swan song of a ton of other stuff. Most wars are.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

More like high school poetry that never got published.

Also was the swan song of a ton of other stuff. Most wars are.

Most wars aren't. Unless you care to examine every war and what military thinking it was the swan song to?

[Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana]

Also was the swan song of a ton of other stuff. Most wars are.

Most wars aren't. Unless you care to examine every war and what military thinking it was the swan song to?

Well, let's see Korea: Swan song of ''Murica=invincible p.1' Vietnam: Swan song of ''Murica=invincible p.2' Punic Wars: Swan song of 'Rome doesn't have a navy so it won't get past Italy' WW1: 'Swan song of 'War=short and cool! (And the Tsar)' The list goes on and on...

[Atelia]

Anyone else had family in a resistance?

[Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana]

Anyone else had family in a resistance?

My grandmother helped some people who were stabbed by the Japanese during the war, but in all frankness, a lot of people really don't know what even their parents did in early life.http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/01/your-fami ... uture.html

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Most wars aren't. Unless you care to examine every war and what military thinking it was the swan song to?

Well, let's see Korea: Swan song of ''Murica=invincible p.1' Vietnam: Swan song of ''Murica=invincible p.2'

Hahahano. The US was perfectly aware that it wasn't invincible, or else Russia wouldn't have made them break into a cold sweat.

Punic Wars: Swan song of 'Rome doesn't have a navy so it won't get past Italy'

A Swan song is the end of something, not the beginning. What the Punic Wars were the end of was Carthage.

WW1: 'Swan song of 'War=short and cool! (And the Tsar)'

Actually, there were dozens of bloody wars that lasted longer than WWI. You were only right on the cool part.

The list goes on and on...

[Insert list of hundreds of conflicts where nothing changed in the way battle was done]

[ISAF-Usea]

If there's one thing I'm baffled about in WWII history... It's that there is NO clear evidence of where hitler came from.
There are multiple theories that he fought in WWI, which IS true. But the theories about WWI, are all different.

[The Krogan]

If there's one thing I'm baffled about in WWII history... It's that there is NO clear evidence of where hitler came from.
There are multiple theories that he fought in WWI, which IS true. But the theories about WWI, are all different.

Ummmmm I'm pretty sure his life is well documented nowadays.

[ISAF-Usea]

If there's one thing I'm baffled about in WWII history... It's that there is NO clear evidence of where hitler came from.
There are multiple theories that he fought in WWI, which IS true. But the theories about WWI, are all different.

Ummmmm I'm pretty sure his life is well documented nowadays.

Sure by using Mein Kamf, but from what I've been researching recently, it seems like Hitler's origins from WWI are all over the place. I've seen two big theories: One is that he was just simply walking across a field, severely injured. And a allied soldier let him live.
Another is that he survived a gas attack, and that he lost his sight for an unusual amound of time, and to cure it, the doctors had to boost his ego. They told him he was meant for something great, yadayadayada, then he became the Hitler we know of today.

[Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana]

Ummmmm I'm pretty sure his life is well documented nowadays.

Sure by using Mein Kamf, but from what I've been researching recently, it seems like Hitler's origins from WWI are all over the place. I've seen two big theories: One is that he was just simply walking across a field, severely injured. And a allied soldier let him live.
Another is that he survived a gas attack, and that he lost his sight for an unusual amound of time, and to cure it, the doctors had to boost his ego. They told him he was meant for something great, yadayadayada, then he became the Hitler we know of today.

Well, interwar Germany (and Europe in general) was a hotbed of nutto ideologies.

[Atelia]

Anyone else had family in a resistance?

My grandmother helped some people who were stabbed by the Japanese during the war, but in all frankness, a lot of people really don't know what even their parents did in early life.http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/01/your-fami ... uture.html

Really? I know my parents and grand parents lives very well. I guess I'm not most people though.

[ISAF-Usea]

Sure by using Mein Kamf, but from what I've been researching recently, it seems like Hitler's origins from WWI are all over the place. I've seen two big theories: One is that he was just simply walking across a field, severely injured. And a allied soldier let him live.
Another is that he survived a gas attack, and that he lost his sight for an unusual amound of time, and to cure it, the doctors had to boost his ego. They told him he was meant for something great, yadayadayada, then he became the Hitler we know of today.

Well, interwar Germany (and Europe in general) was a hotbed of nutto ideologies.

True, true.

[Baltenstein]

To my understanding, a swan song signifies the end of something that

A.) At one point, dominated the scene
B.) went out somewhat spectacularly

So WW2 can be considered the swan song of several things. Battleships, German militarism, the era of European Great Powers, continental conventional warfare etc.

But super heavy tanks are not among them. They were an utterly moronic concept from the start that wisely never got materialized.

[The Two Jerseys]

How terrifying would it be to be in a Sherman and encountering this while patrolling.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerkampfwagen_E-100#

A Tiger with a turret that traverses even slower?

M18-equipped tank destroyer battalions would have a field day with them.

[Goram]

What kind of a person considers WWII as the pinnacle of "honorable combat"?

Honourable combat died with Napoleon.

Yeah, because seeing some poor bastard get his guts flensed by round shot is honourable. What about that infantry man who's trying to crawl away, but he can't see to move because a cavalry sabre just slashed his face open, I bet you he feels real good about himself right now. Maybe that man over there feels honourable, even as he burns to death because wadding has started fires and he has a .79 calibre ball in his leg.

Combat has never been honourable. It never will be honourable. I get the feeling that anyone who thinks other wise is naive to what warfare actually is.

[Atelia]

Honourable combat died with Napoleon.

Yeah, because seeing some poor bastard get his guts flensed by round shot is honourable. What about that infantry man who's trying to crawl away, but he can't see to move because a cavalry sabre just slashed his face open, I bet you he feels real good about himself right now. Maybe that man over there feels honourable, even as he burns to death because wadding has started fires and he has a .79 calibre ball in his leg.

Combat has never been honourable. It never will be honourable. I get the feeling that anyone who thinks other wise is naive to what warfare actually is.

Then you shouldn't trust your feelings. Man is naturally attuned for fighting, it is the sacrifice and willingness to take risk that makes soldiers venerable, and it is the willingness to accept the yoke of fighting for a cause that shows a mans sense of justice and glory, warfare is the true showing of mans abilities and our most valued attribute -Strength-, the honour of combat is about the bigger picture.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yup, such as the Mighty Baneblade of the Imperium of Man!

IRL, nah.

Man, a Baneblade would destroy everything.

Well yeah it does have massive guns and laser batteries but at the same time, it would most likely just get blown to pieces by artillery or air strikes, especially in modern day as most Super heavy tanks would, which is why they never really got used.

Have to remember, despite how awesome 40K might be, its not exactly the place for military logic alot of the time, its all about Bigger and Scarier and Boomier and THE EMPEROR!