World War 2 General Discussion Thread

[The Sotoan Union]

Honorable combat died with the Hundred Years War.

honorable combat died when the first sentient being clubbed another to death for some grapes.

Honorable combat died with photosynthesis. Oxygen was genocide.

[The Krogan]

Mehhh there are several key battles in different theaters of war,
Sicily invasion,
Normandy Landings,
Allied invasion of the Netherlands,
battles in North Africa,
battles on the Eastern front,
the War in the Atlantic,
Pacific Campaigns,
Etc, etc, etc,

I think there isn't any single battle that is the most important, more like the culmination of them all.

Probably should have worded it better with what do you think was the most important battles on all the different fronts.

Haha hmmmmm really I don't know.

The Russian winter and Stalingrad certainly changed things on the Eastern front from what I know.

The success of the Sicily campaign helped to open the doors to Italy and the rest of the Mediterranean.

Normandy landings brought the war back to central Europe and the eventual liberation of many countries there.

Really though bud I couldn't tell yeah, I'm only a university student

I still have much to learn.

[The Krogan]

honorable combat died when the first sentient being clubbed another to death for some grapes.

Honorable combat died with photosynthesis. Oxygen was genocide.

To true.. to true...

[Eol Sha]

A WW2 thread? I love it! I build model kits of WW2 tanks and figures(sadly not very often now college and such) but used to be really into it. However I admit I honestly don't know about a lot of things about the War.

My question is simple what was the most important battle of WW2 I was thinking Stalingrad but would love to hear others opinions.

Maybe Midway. Without a victory at Midway, I doubt the US could have contributed as many troops as it did in North Africa. At least not as soon as November of '42. And, of course, US action in the Solomons would have been delayed for who knows how long.

[Polar Svalbard]

Soooo what does everyone think of the invasion of the Aleutian islaes

[Baltenstein]

Soooo what does everyone think of the invasion of the Aleutian islaes

The US military command correctly deduced that this was little more than a diversion to draw American troops away from where they were really needed. Strategically, the AI were worthless to the Japanese, so the Allies didn't bother to kick them out until a year later.

Ironically though, the campaign still makes Japan the only nation that successfully invaded US territory during the 20th century.

[Delator]

May I ask why you think the Nazis should have won?

With a unified Nazi Europe, our modern period of decadence would never have come about.

The party that put Hermann Göring in a position of authority wasn't decadent?

Out of curiosity, this is related, have you ever served in any form of military organization?

I have, yeah. 5 years as an Abrams crewman in the RAAC.

If the "right" side had won, you'd be speaking Japanese.

[Laerod]

Soooo what does everyone think of the invasion of the Aleutian islaes

The US military command correctly deduced that this was little more than a diversion to draw American troops away from where they were really needed. Strategically, the AI were worthless to the Japanese, so the Allies didn't bother to kick them out until a year later.

Ironically though, the campaign still makes Japan the only nation that successfully invaded US territory during the 20th century.

No, the invasion of the Philippines does.

[The Archregimancy]

The US military command correctly deduced that this was little more than a diversion to draw American troops away from where they were really needed. Strategically, the AI were worthless to the Japanese, so the Allies didn't bother to kick them out until a year later.

Ironically though, the campaign still makes Japan the only nation that successfully invaded US territory during the 20th century.

No, the invasion of the Philippines does.

<polite cough>

The Japanese occupation of Guam predates both the completion of the invasion of the Philippines and the invasion of the westernmost Aleutians.

The invasions of Guam and the Philippines were both launched on the 8th of December 1941, but the occupation of Guam was complete by the 10th of December, whereas formal resistance in the Philippines continued into May 1942.

[Baltenstein]

I should have been more specific. By US territory, I meant US incorporated territory, i.e. part of the United States proper.

[Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana]

Soooo what does everyone think of the invasion of the Aleutian islaes

Trivia question, though the Komadorskis could have been intresting.

[Rio Cana]

No, the invasion of the Philippines does.

<polite cough>

The Japanese occupation of Guam predates both the completion of the invasion of the Philippines and the invasion of the westernmost Aleutians.

The invasions of Guam and the Philippines were both launched on the 8th of December 1941, but the occupation of Guam was complete by the 10th of December, whereas formal resistance in the Philippines continued into May 1942.

The Japanese pre-war territories in the Pacific were called the Nanyo Territories.
Read this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanyo_(Ja ... _territory)

The Japanese controlled the Northern Marianas so could easily attack Guam from the island of Saipan.
Map which shows the whole island chain - http://www.history-map.com/picture/004/ ... slands.jpg

Guam is the largest island of the Southern part of the Marianna islands. The Northern Marianas at that time were controlled by Japan which were allowed to keep those islands which they captured from the German Empire in WW I. The Germans had purchased them from Spain. Strange that the US only wanted to keep Guam and did not annex the Northern Marianas from Spain even though they had also sent troops to Saipan during the war with Spain.

Anyway, the Japanese were not suppose to fortify all the Pacific islands they had gotten from Germany but after they pulled out of the league of nations they did.
Read this - http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA ... ts-13.html

The US did not really have much of a force on Guam which were overwhelmed by a huge Japanese force.
This on the Japanese invasion of Guam - http://ww2db.com/battle_spec.php?battle_id=56

Map which shows Japans territorial limit in the Pacific just before they got involved in WW II.

[Sam Hyde]

Nazism is not cool and anyone who identifies themselves as a Nazi by embracing the Holocaust ,expression of ideology, or even racism, will get reported to the moderation.

Emphasis mine.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

[The Conez Imperium]

Always wanted to voice this opinion but the Nazi uniforms from the SS to the Wehrmacht are really aesthetically pleasing...Does anyone find that true?

[Sam Hyde]

Always wanted to voice this opinion but the Nazi uniforms from the SS to the Wehrmacht are really aesthetically pleasing...Does anyone find that true?

Yes. A big part of fascism is the aesthetic of power, finesse, and beauty.

[Baltenstein]

Always wanted to voice this opinion but the Nazi uniforms from the SS to the Wehrmacht are really aesthetically pleasing...Does anyone find that true?

They were designed by Hugo Boss, after all. (Actually they were designed by the Nazis themselves, but Hugo Boss manufactured them)

Aside from that, the fact that app. 50 % of all Sci-fi and 90 % of all Dystopia villains look like Nazis speaks for the timeless appeal of said uniforms.

[Alaskan Democratic Federative Republic]

Always wanted to voice this opinion but the Nazi uniforms from the SS to the Wehrmacht are really aesthetically pleasing...Does anyone find that true?

Yes. A big part of fascism is the aesthetic of power, finesse, and beauty.

Let me say this , my bad on expressioning your ideology , I changed that .

But Fascism , it's a dictatorial and outspokenly authoritarian form of government, and rejects the concept of Enlightenment, civil liberties and government by the people etc, at least in practice. Beyond authoritarian, Fascists openly speaks in favor of totalitarian government, where all society is perforated by the creed of the ruling party, and nothing is personal or relative. Everything is politics, and the doctrines of the Fascist state is the truth, and you better adjust to it (or keep your mouth shut, or accept that the Fascist secret police force castor oil or frogs down it).

[The Sotoan Union]

Always wanted to voice this opinion but the Nazi uniforms from the SS to the Wehrmacht are really aesthetically pleasing...Does anyone find that true?

Not really. A lot of people get really obsessed with Nazi military stuff, but to me all that WWII stuff blends together.

[The Archregimancy]

<polite cough>

The Japanese occupation of Guam predates both the completion of the invasion of the Philippines and the invasion of the westernmost Aleutians.

The invasions of Guam and the Philippines were both launched on the 8th of December 1941, but the occupation of Guam was complete by the 10th of December, whereas formal resistance in the Philippines continued into May 1942.

The Japanese pre-war territories in the Pacific were called the Nanyo Territories.
Read this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanyo_(Ja ... _territory)

The Japanese controlled the Northern Marianas so could easily attack Guam from the island of Saipan.
Map which shows the whole island chain - http://www.history-map.com/picture/004/ ... slands.jpg

Guam is the largest island of the Southern part of the Marianna islands. The Northern Marianas at that time were controlled by Japan which were allowed to keep those islands which they captured from the German Empire in WW I. The Germans had purchased them from Spain. Strange that the US only wanted to keep Guam and did not annex the Northern Marianas from Spain even though they had also sent troops to Saipan during the war with Spain.

Anyway, the Japanese were not suppose to fortify all the Pacific islands they had gotten from Germany but after they pulled out of the league of nations they did.
Read this - http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA ... ts-13.html

The US did not really have much of a force on Guam which were overwhelmed by a huge Japanese force.
This on the Japanese invasion of Guam - http://ww2db.com/battle_spec.php?battle_id=56

Map which shows Japans territorial limit in the Pacific just before they got involved in WW II.

All of this is true, but also totally irrelevant to the point I was making - which is that Guam was the first piece of US territory to be successfully occupied by Japan in the Second World War.

If you merely meant to embellish that point, then fair enough. Otherwise you're merely intervening to tell me things I already know, and which are irrelevant to my core point.

[Costa Fierro]

Always wanted to voice this opinion but the Nazi uniforms from the SS to the Wehrmacht are really aesthetically pleasing...Does anyone find that true?

They were designed by Hugo Boss.

[Laerod]

Always wanted to voice this opinion but the Nazi uniforms from the SS to the Wehrmacht are really aesthetically pleasing...Does anyone find that true?

They were designed by Hugo Boss.

Not actually true.

[Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana]

Watched Judgement at Nuremberg last night. A fascinating movie about justice and responsibility. Also notable for having three actors in minor roles: Werner Klemperer (aka Klink), Howard Caine (aka Major Hochstetter from Hogan's Heroes) and William Shatner (aka Captain Kirk), all before their famous serii were produced. Klemperer kinda becomes hilarious (though definitely unintentionally) because he's the only one of the four nazis on trial that shows zero remorse. But still, a powerful film, especially the Holocaust footage.

[Atelia]

I'm, proud of my Grandfather for serving in defense of his homeland.

[Atelia]

Yes. A big part of fascism is the aesthetic of power, finesse, and beauty.

Let me say this , my bad on expressioning your ideology , I changed that .

But Fascism , it's a dictatorial and outspokenly authoritarian form of government, and rejects the concept of Enlightenment, civil liberties and government by the people etc, at least in practice. Beyond authoritarian, Fascists openly speaks in favor of totalitarian government, where all society is perforated by the creed of the ruling party, and nothing is personal or relative. Everything is politics, and the doctrines of the Fascist state is the truth, and you better adjust to it (or keep your mouth shut, or accept that the Fascist secret police force castor oil or frogs down it).

You stated what it is (Without mentioning plenty of positive effects on society) now what was the point? Are your listed reasons, supposed to be why Fascism is a terrible ideology that a human should never follow? Well I'm sorry but I see no problem here.

[SD_Film Artists]

Mehhh there are several key battles in different theaters of war,
Sicily invasion,
Normandy Landings,
Allied invasion of the Netherlands,
battles in North Africa,
battles on the Eastern front,
the War in the Atlantic,
Pacific Campaigns,
Etc, etc, etc,

I think there isn't any single battle that is the most important, more like the culmination of them all.

Probably should have worded it better with what do you think was the most important battles on all the different fronts.

I'd say the Battle of Stalingrad was the most important battle; it encircled the German 6th Army group and signaled the turn of the war in Russia's favour and thus the war in general.