The NS Mens Rights Thread

[Hirota]

Wouldn't it be easier to not include a gender's name in your ideology?

You mean like egalitarianism?

[Ostroeuropa]

Wouldn't it be easier to not include a gender's name in your ideology?

You mean like egalitarianism?

But, didn't you know?

Egalitarianism is a mens rights conspiracy!

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[CTALNH]

I do not see how feminism does not address those issues you stated....


Why do need another movement for us?

[New Grestin]

I do not see how feminism does not address those issues you stated....


Why do need another movement for us?

Because feminism, at least in it's modern form, is more concerned with the advocacy of women rather than addressing issues that face both genders.

You don't see feminists discussing how male rape isn't taken seriously, now do you?

[CTALNH]

I do not see how feminism does not address those issues you stated....


Why do need another movement for us?

Because feminism, at least in it's modern form, is more concerned with the advocacy of women rather than addressing issues that face both genders.

You don't see feminists discussing how male rape isn't taken seriously, now do you?

Are we serious?

Of course they do the thing is the people that scream the loudest aren't them.

I am a feminist I speak about male rape.I don't scream like the radical feminists do though.

[Haktiva]

Because feminism, at least in it's modern form, is more concerned with the advocacy of women rather than addressing issues that face both genders.

You don't see feminists discussing how male rape isn't taken seriously, now do you?

Are we serious?

Of course they do the thing is the people that scream the loudest aren't them.

I am a feminist I speak about male rape.I don't scream like the radical feminists do though.

That's because you have internalized oppression

[CTALNH]

Are we serious?

Of course they do the thing is the people that scream the loudest aren't them.

I am a feminist I speak about male rape.I don't scream like the radical feminists do though.

That's because you have internalized oppression

I am a man and live in a free country?

[Haktiva]

That's because you have internalized oppression

I am a man and live in a free country?

exactly

[Hirota]

I do not see how feminism does not address those issues you stated....


Why do need another movement for us?

Because Feminism has repeated proven itself unwilling and/or unable of addressing them. Which is fine, Feminism has other issues it needs to work on, such as dealing with it's radfem lunatic fringe and trying to work out what it is actually trying to accomplish in the third wave.

If Chess is to be believed (and the evidence she supplies is fairly substantive), radfem ideology is practically mainstream. I don't think it is, but it certainly is the loudest!

(It's worth noting the roots of egalitarianism pre-dates anything for Feminism. If you want to ask why we need another movement, then why did feminism need to be created as another movement?)

I am a feminist I speak about male rape.

Well, that's great. The two are not mutually exclusive after all. You can be a feminist and speak about male rape - after all if we use the dictionary definition for feminist, I am a feminist, and I've spoken about male rape on the sister thread.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Gonna say this here, same as I've said elsewhere.

I think its high time we got back to human rights, and stopped making all these divisions and further alienating one another with all the intricate compartmentalizing we, as a society, have been doing. It does us more harm than good. It sets us at one another's throats, and gets us exhausting energy in a 'them vs us' ongoing struggle that in the end, was really rather needless.

After all, if we treat one another with equal rights, equal respect, equal consideration, we don't really need all these smaller divisions, do we? And why, if we should all be treated with equal consideration, do we really need all the labels and such? It doesn't make any sense.

Color, religion, gender, choice of sexual partner, social status, culture - the list goes on. But when you get right down to it, we're all people. Like it or not. The simple 'treat one another as you'd like to be treated', exceptions on pain is pleasure aside, tends to cover it pretty well, neh? Might be high time we got back to it.

[New Grestin]

I do not see how feminism does not address those issues you stated....


Why do need another movement for us?

Because Feminism has repeated proven itself unwilling and/or unable of addressing them. Which is fine, Feminism has other issues it needs to work on, such as dealing with it's radfem lunatic fringe and trying to work out what it is actually trying to accomplish in the third wave.

If Chess is to be believed (and the evidence she supplies is fairly substantive), radfem ideology is practically mainstream. I don't think it is, but it certainly is the loudest!

(It's worth noting the roots of egalitarianism pre-dates anything for Feminism. If you want to ask why we need another movement, then why did feminism need to be created as another movement?)

I am a feminist I speak about male rape.

Well, that's great. The two are not mutually exclusive after all. You can be a feminist and speak about male rape - after all if we use the dictionary definition for feminist, I am a feminist, and I've spoken about male rape on the sister thread.

If the average feminist acts like Chess, then the movement's already doomed.

I've never seen someone with such intense hatred for the opposite sex, yet with nowhere productive to put that hate.

[Grave_n_idle]

I've never seen someone with such intense hatred for the opposite sex, yet with nowhere productive to put that hate.

Some would say that's pretty much the definition of the 'Mens' Rights Movement'.

[New Grestin]

I've never seen someone with such intense hatred for the opposite sex, yet with nowhere productive to put that hate.

Some would say that's pretty much the definition of the 'Mens' Rights Movement'.

I've never seen a comment perfectly encapsulate why two groups will never agree so well.

[Cannabis Islands]

Gonna say this here, same as I've said elsewhere.

I think its high time we got back to human rights, and stopped making all these divisions and further alienating one another with all the intricate compartmentalizing we, as a society, have been doing. It does us more harm than good. It sets us at one another's throats, and gets us exhausting energy in a 'them vs us' ongoing struggle that in the end, was really rather needless.

After all, if we treat one another with equal rights, equal respect, equal consideration, we don't really need all these smaller divisions, do we? And why, if we should all be treated with equal consideration, do we really need all the labels and such? It doesn't make any sense.

Color, religion, gender, choice of sexual partner, social status, culture - the list goes on. But when you get right down to it, we're all people. Like it or not. The simple 'treat one another as you'd like to be treated', exceptions on pain is pleasure aside, tends to cover it pretty well, neh? Might be high time we got back to it.

Okay, but this does not address the fact that men and boys are treated horribly in the judicial system. For example, I don't know if this was brought up in this thread, but about this when a women gets a light jail sentence for raping a 15 year old boy at knife point, and if a perpetrator was male and the victim was female, the male perpetrator would get a harsher sentence. While feminists may condemn this evil women's actions, and rightly so, their activism has resulted in shit like this.

[Chestaan]

It's not an ideology, it's a movement.

Like LGBT.

In what way is the mens rights movement like LGBT?

They're both advocacy groups. One pushes for issues pertaining to lgbt people while the other tries to raise awareness about male rape, mental health issues etc.

[Cannabis Islands]

In what way is the mens rights movement like LGBT?

They're both advocacy groups. One pushes for issues pertaining to lgbt people while the other tries to raise awareness about male rape, mental health issues etc.

I don't have any clue why anyone would be opposed to men, women and others bring up men's issues? I mean the idea of gay men having their own space, such as the gay bar were gay male sexuality can be freely expressed without fear of being killed, it has been taken over by straight women who have a fetish for gay men, but women get pissed when straight men have a fetish for lesbians.

[Gravlen]

Gonna say this here, same as I've said elsewhere.

I think its high time we got back to human rights, and stopped making all these divisions and further alienating one another with all the intricate compartmentalizing we, as a society, have been doing. It does us more harm than good. It sets us at one another's throats, and gets us exhausting energy in a 'them vs us' ongoing struggle that in the end, was really rather needless.

After all, if we treat one another with equal rights, equal respect, equal consideration, we don't really need all these smaller divisions, do we? And why, if we should all be treated with equal consideration, do we really need all the labels and such? It doesn't make any sense.

Color, religion, gender, choice of sexual partner, social status, culture - the list goes on. But when you get right down to it, we're all people. Like it or not. The simple 'treat one another as you'd like to be treated', exceptions on pain is pleasure aside, tends to cover it pretty well, neh? Might be high time we got back to it.

Okay, but this does not address the fact that men and boys are treated horribly in the judicial system. For example, I don't know if this was brought up in this thread, but about this when a women gets a light jail sentence for raping a 15 year old boy at knife point, and if a perpetrator was male and the victim was female, the male perpetrator would get a harsher sentence. While feminists may condemn this evil women's actions, and rightly so, their activism has resulted in shit like this.

Knife point? No knife is mentioned.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Gonna say this here, same as I've said elsewhere.

I think its high time we got back to human rights, and stopped making all these divisions and further alienating one another with all the intricate compartmentalizing we, as a society, have been doing. It does us more harm than good. It sets us at one another's throats, and gets us exhausting energy in a 'them vs us' ongoing struggle that in the end, was really rather needless.

After all, if we treat one another with equal rights, equal respect, equal consideration, we don't really need all these smaller divisions, do we? And why, if we should all be treated with equal consideration, do we really need all the labels and such? It doesn't make any sense.

Color, religion, gender, choice of sexual partner, social status, culture - the list goes on. But when you get right down to it, we're all people. Like it or not. The simple 'treat one another as you'd like to be treated', exceptions on pain is pleasure aside, tends to cover it pretty well, neh? Might be high time we got back to it.

I completely agree. I am a humanist, not a feminist or an MRA. It only divides even more.

[Cannabis Islands]

Okay, but this does not address the fact that men and boys are treated horribly in the judicial system. For example, I don't know if this was brought up in this thread, but about this when a women gets a light jail sentence for raping a 15 year old boy at knife point, and if a perpetrator was male and the victim was female, the male perpetrator would get a harsher sentence. While feminists may condemn this evil women's actions, and rightly so, their activism has resulted in shit like this.

Knife point? No knife is mentioned.

I was referring to another case, I am looking for the link that is appropriate. Will post it when I find it, but my point still stands. Females get away with rape, even if in places of authority, like a teacher.

[United States of White America]

Both men and women don't deserve rights.

Ohhhhh so edgy, i think i cut my finger.

Don't push me.

[Gravlen]

Knife point? No knife is mentioned.

I was referring to another case,

By linking to a case where a woman got a light sentence for the statutory rape of a 15 year old boy not at knife point? How odd.

I am looking for the link that is appropriate. Will post it when I find it, but my point still stands. Females get away with rape, even if in places of authority, like a teacher.

And by "get away with" you mean "don't get away with, but are punished less strictly than I'd like, even if I don't necessarily have detailed knowledge about the circumstances of the case".

[Grave_n_idle]

Some would say that's pretty much the definition of the 'Mens' Rights Movement'.

I've never seen a comment perfectly encapsulate why two groups will never agree so well.

Indeed. And then I responded to it.

[Fartsniffage]

Ohhhhh so edgy, i think i cut my finger.

Don't push me.

Hahahaha.

[Cannabis Islands]

I was referring to another case,

By linking to a case where a woman got a light sentence for the statutory rape of a 15 year old boy not at knife point? How odd.

I am looking for the link that is appropriate. Will post it when I find it, but my point still stands. Females get away with rape, even if in places of authority, like a teacher.

And by "get away with" you mean "don't get away with, but are punished less strictly than I'd like, even if I don't necessarily have detailed knowledge about the circumstances of the case".

Again, it does not matter. The boy was underage and that makes it rape under the law. If the rapist was a male, he would get a harsher sentence.

[Zottistan]

Gonna say this here, same as I've said elsewhere.

I think its high time we got back to human rights, and stopped making all these divisions and further alienating one another with all the intricate compartmentalizing we, as a society, have been doing. It does us more harm than good. It sets us at one another's throats, and gets us exhausting energy in a 'them vs us' ongoing struggle that in the end, was really rather needless.

After all, if we treat one another with equal rights, equal respect, equal consideration, we don't really need all these smaller divisions, do we? And why, if we should all be treated with equal consideration, do we really need all the labels and such? It doesn't make any sense.

Color, religion, gender, choice of sexual partner, social status, culture - the list goes on. But when you get right down to it, we're all people. Like it or not. The simple 'treat one another as you'd like to be treated', exceptions on pain is pleasure aside, tends to cover it pretty well, neh? Might be high time we got back to it.

The "us and them" mentality is very psychologically appealing and it's very tempting for people to stray into it. The notion that things are the way they are just by chance and unintended consequences is scary, and pointing the finger appeals to this innate attractions people have to ideas based around justice. It's harder to accept that society's architecture is the way it is because of chance than it is to create a villain behind the scenes pulling the strings or oppressing the masses. For feminists, it's the patriarchy. For MRAs, it's feminists. For Marxists, it's the bourgeoisie. For libertarians, it's socialists. It's easy to point fingers and name names. It's more difficult, but much more fruitful, to accept that we're all in the same boat and that if society sinks we'll all go down together.

The world is a fucked up place, but there are no Saturday morning cartoon villains twiddling their mustaches and cackling evilly as they plot world domination.