The NS Mens Rights Thread

[Haktiva]

lol that is pretty funny

they should keep it

I don't see what's funny about blatant hypocrisy and sexism against a gender in a strongly "feminist" country, do you?
It kind of shows that the MRM is entirely right in it's criticism of feminism and feminists.

That's the best case scenario.

Worst case MGTOW radicals are right and women are knowingly and willfully disingenuous and purely selfish, and will change what they think is fair at the drop of a hat to secure more resources for themselves.

they're also changing the alimony laws now that more men are the stay at home spouse and women are having to pay their ex-husbands alimony

[Ostroeuropa]

I don't laugh at kitchen jokes either. Do you?

irrelevant

I certainly wouldn't bust into an area where people are trying to discuss discrimination against a gender, a gender many of them are, and then laugh at an incident of it.
How about you keep that shit to yourself.
I suppose if you had more empathy for men you would have thought of that in the first place.

[Ostroeuropa]

I don't see what's funny about blatant hypocrisy and sexism against a gender in a strongly "feminist" country, do you?
It kind of shows that the MRM is entirely right in it's criticism of feminism and feminists.

That's the best case scenario.

Worst case MGTOW radicals are right and women are knowingly and willfully disingenuous and purely selfish, and will change what they think is fair at the drop of a hat to secure more resources for themselves.

they're also changing the alimony laws now that more men are the stay at home spouse and women are having to pay their ex-husbands alimony

I know about that too. It's a common pattern for feminists.
It's because of their gynocentricity, as I routinely point out.

As soon as alimony is a problem for women, it becomes unfair.
Same for discrimination laws.

They did it in california recently too, trying to repeal anti-discrimination laws that prevented them discriminating against men.

They did it in the UK too for all women shortlists. They're a supremacist movement.

[Alyakia]

I don't see what's funny about blatant hypocrisy and sexism against a gender in a strongly "feminist" country, do you?
It kind of shows that the MRM is entirely right in it's criticism of feminism and feminists.

That's the best case scenario.

Worst case MGTOW radicals are right and women are knowingly and willfully disingenuous and purely selfish, and will change what they think is fair at the drop of a hat to secure more resources for themselves.

they're also changing the alimony laws now that more men are the stay at home spouse and women are having to pay their ex-husbands alimony

you least provided a source for the last one

irrelevant

I certainly wouldn't bust into an area where people are trying to discuss discrimination against a gender, a gender many of them are, and then laugh at an incident of it.
How about you keep that shit to yourself.
I suppose if you had more empathy for men you would have thought of that in the first place.

see like i said your inability to understand the various ways the word funny is used is not my problem. thought at this point i am also adding unwittingly blinded by own ideology as a third option. if you had more empathy with humans (and i know you've read a lot of my posts) you would know i am actually not going haha fuck men. indeed the fact i said they should keep it should be enough to dispel your misconceptions. but i understand the horse is indeed very high so it may be hard to read posts with 100% accuracy on such a small screen.

[Ostroeuropa]

they're also changing the alimony laws now that more men are the stay at home spouse and women are having to pay their ex-husbands alimony

you least provided a source for the last one

I certainly wouldn't bust into an area where people are trying to discuss discrimination against a gender, a gender many of them are, and then laugh at an incident of it.
How about you keep that shit to yourself.
I suppose if you had more empathy for men you would have thought of that in the first place.

see like i said your inability to understand the various ways the word funny is used is not my problem. thought at this point i am also adding unwittingly blinded by own ideology as a third option. if you had more empathy with humans (and i know you've read a lot of my posts) you would know i am actually not going haha fuck men. indeed the fact i said they should keep it should be enough to dispel your misconceptions. but i understand the horse is indeed very high so it may be hard to read posts with 100% accuracy on such a small screen.

I may have misinterpreted your post. Probably out of distrust for you given your feminist leanings. which is a bias of mine i'll admit.

[Donut section]

He's fine, bit shaken, the cops were a bit rough with him, thinking he beat his gf. Nothing that can be proven though so not much we can do about that.

Are you the type of friends that can be emotionally open with eachother, or is there a level of walled offness and masculinity stuff?

Yeah man, we're all good. We've made time to chill this weekend.

[Ostroeuropa]

Are you the type of friends that can be emotionally open with eachother, or is there a level of walled offness and masculinity stuff?

Yeah man, we're all good. We've made time to chill this weekend.

He'll probably be fine then. He's lucky. Was it one or two incidents, or an ongoing campaign?
Because that'll mean a big difference.

I'm curious because of the fact he was arrested for it. If it was one or two incidents v an ongoing campaign and how they were perceived and stuff.
Also because of the amount of support he'd need and stuff.

[The Alexanderians]

I was so surprised to see this thread pop up, and even more surprised it hasn't been flooded with "the Nolan Effect" or a *certain* kind of detractor. In any case marvelous. I would like to ask if we are allowed to share "personal entries"?

[Alyakia]

I was so surprised to see this thread pop up, and even more surprised it hasn't been flooded with "the Nolan Effect" or a *certain* kind of detractor. In any case marvelous. I would like to ask if we are allowed to share "personal entries"?

define personal entry

[Tahar Joblis]

So Sweden is getting rid of affirmative action. Not surprised why. At least it's a win for those who like small government.

Sweden to abolish affirmative action

The Swedish government said Tuesday it would abolish affirmative action at universities since the practice has resulted in unjust advantage.

STOCKHOLM, January 12, 2010 (AFP) - The Swedish government said Tuesday it would abolish affirmative action at universities since the practice has resulted in male students being given admissions priority for several popular programmes.

"The education system should open doors -- not slam them in the face of motivated young women," Higher Education Minister Tobias Krantz wrote in an article in Sweden's leading daily Dagens Nyheter.

The government has allowed universities to practice affirmative action since 2003 in order to encourage an equal number of men and women at the country's universities.

Criticism has raged in Sweden recently after male students have been given priority to popular programmes where men are under-represented, in particular the medicine, psychology, veterinary and dentistry faculties.

For those programmes in particular, there are more women applicants with top grades than men, yet the men are admitted because of the affirmative action rule.

Women represent about 60 percent of university students in Sweden, a pioneer in gender equality.

"The current regulations yield a totally unfair result. Last year it was almost only women, 95 percent, who had worked hard to get into their dream programme but who did not get in because of their gender," Krantz wrote.

A Swedish appeals court recently ruled in favour of 44 women who were not admitted to a veterinary programme because of their gender, awarding them damages of 35,000 kronor (5,000 dollars, 3,400 euros) each.

In another class-action lawsuit currently in the courts, 31 women have sued Lund University in southern Sweden for discrimination for giving male students admissions priority to the psychology programme in 2008.

http://dalje.com/en-world/sweden-to-abo ... ion/289636

The hypocrisy is staggeringly blatant. This is the same country that has been threatening to establish quotas outright to equalize the number of men and women on boards of directors.

[The Alexanderians]

I was so surprised to see this thread pop up, and even more surprised it hasn't been flooded with "the Nolan Effect" or a *certain* kind of detractor. In any case marvelous. I would like to ask if we are allowed to share "personal entries"?

define personal entry

A better term is personal story. Why we are where we are in regards to the topic at hand/how we're working towards that/why we made those choices/etc.

[Ostroeuropa]

define personal entry

A better term is personal story. Why we are where we are in regards to the topic at hand/how we're working towards that/why we made those choices/etc.

No rules against it far as I can see, and we've had a few already.

[Tierra Prime]

So Sweden is getting rid of affirmative action. Not surprised why. At least it's a win for those who like small government.


http://dalje.com/en-world/sweden-to-abo ... ion/289636

The hypocrisy is staggeringly blatant. This is the same country that has been threatening to establish quotas outright to equalize the number of men and women on boards of directors.

Nobody expects logic from Sweden any more.

I mean, who lets in tens of thousands of immigrants yearly during a housing crisis?

[Donut section]

Yeah man, we're all good. We've made time to chill this weekend.

He'll probably be fine then. He's lucky. Was it one or two incidents, or an ongoing campaign?
Because that'll mean a big difference.

I'm curious because of the fact he was arrested for it. If it was one or two incidents v an ongoing campaign and how they were perceived and stuff.
Also because of the amount of support he'd need and stuff.

He was arrested because the cops didn't even think that he could have been the victim, even though he is the one who reported the incident. Getting the full story over the weekend. Might TG you the details as this is a bit too public a forum for them.

[Hirota]

define personal entry

A better term is personal story. Why we are where we are in regards to the topic at hand/how we're working towards that/why we made those choices/etc.

If you feel comfortable enough doing so, go for it. As long as it isn't too bloggy I don't see a problem.

[Haktiva]

The hypocrisy is staggeringly blatant. This is the same country that has been threatening to establish quotas outright to equalize the number of men and women on boards of directors.

Nobody expects logic from Sweden any more.

I mean, who lets in tens of thousands of immigrants yearly during a housing crisis?

I swear I heard somewhere that they wanted to fight Russian aggression with a feminists approach.

...... oh my Lord, they did

[Camicon]

Nobody expects logic from Sweden any more.

I mean, who lets in tens of thousands of immigrants yearly during a housing crisis?

I swear I heard somewhere that they wanted to fight Russian aggression with a feminists approach.

...... oh my Lord, they did

From the article: During a recent debate in the Swedish parliament, Wallström said that her feminist approach is based on the American political scientist Joseph Nye’s concept of “smart power.” “The tools of foreign policy can, in varying degrees, be hard as well as soft. The situation at hand determines this,”

For those that don't know, Joseph Nye contributed to the neo-realist school of international theory by introducing 'soft power', which is essentially an argument that traditional measures of power (military strength, geography, population, etc) are not the only mechanisms by which a state can exercise power over another state. Smart power is the application of a combination of hard and soft power methods to engage with other states. There is nothing inherently 'feminist' about that; actually, I cannot recall any female scholars that have greatly contributed to the neo-realist school which Wallström seems to be drawing her policy platform from, let anyone who made a specifically 'feminist' contribution.

So, I have to ask, why is it a bad thing to consider the adverse and usually overlooked impacts that traditional hard power conflicts have on women, when engaging in foreign policy?

[Tierra Prime]

I swear I heard somewhere that they wanted to fight Russian aggression with a feminists approach.

...... oh my Lord, they did

From the article: During a recent debate in the Swedish parliament, Wallström said that her feminist approach is based on the American political scientist Joseph Nye’s concept of “smart power.” “The tools of foreign policy can, in varying degrees, be hard as well as soft. The situation at hand determines this,”

For those that don't know, Joseph Nye contributed to the neo-realist school of international theory by introducing 'soft power', which is essentially an argument that traditional measures of power (military strength, geography, population, etc) are not the only mechanisms by which a state can exercise power over another state. Smart power is the application of a combination of hard and soft power methods to engage with other states. There is nothing inherently 'feminist' about that; actually, I cannot recall any female scholars that have greatly contributed to the neo-realist school which Wallström seems to be drawing her policy platform from, let anyone who made a specifically 'feminist' contribution.

So, I have to ask, why is it a bad thing to consider the adverse and usually overlooked impacts that traditional hard power conflicts have on women, when engaging in foreign policy?

Well, displaying the success of your nation is a valid response, at least as far as I'm concerned.

Having a big military is nice, but so is having a functioning infrastructure and not having a massive alcohol problem.

[Ostroeuropa]

http://www.mid-day.com/articles/men-too ... y/16472159

An interesting article.

Backlash from women
“Many women looked at us with such disgust and didn’t understand why we were bothered about rights for men. They didn’t feel that it was a big problem, and insisted that men don’t face as many problems as women do,” said one of the students, Shivira Mukherji (19).
In fact, when asked whether it was okay to humiliate men in public, almost half the women said there was nothing wrong with it.
- See more at: http://www.mid-day.com/articles/men-too ... ht1Fn.dpuf

Notably, 72% of the respondents (give or take) think there is a need for a mens rights group of some kind.

As well, 60% of respondents think the laws to protect women are misused to harm men.

(This is all in India, by the way.)

[Ostroeuropa]

Oh, and revenge porn:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/com ... f_men_get/

Turns out it happens to men as much or more. (Statistical debates in comments.)

[Gauthier]

http://www.mid-day.com/articles/men-too-are-victims-of-sexism-finds-survey/16472159

An interesting article.

Backlash from women
“Many women looked at us with such disgust and didn’t understand why we were bothered about rights for men. They didn’t feel that it was a big problem, and insisted that men don’t face as many problems as women do,” said one of the students, Shivira Mukherji (19).
In fact, when asked whether it was okay to humiliate men in public, almost half the women said there was nothing wrong with it.
- See more at: http://www.mid-day.com/articles/men-too ... ht1Fn.dpuf

Notably, 72% of the respondents (give or take) think there is a need for a mens rights group of some kind.

As well, 60% of respondents think the laws to protect women are misused to harm men.

(This is all in India, by the way.)

Oh yes, India. The world's paragon of women's rights.

India Police Say 2 Brothers Behead Sister for Alleged Affair

[Fartsniffage]

http://www.mid-day.com/articles/men-too-are-victims-of-sexism-finds-survey/16472159

An interesting article.

Backlash from women
“Many women looked at us with such disgust and didn’t understand why we were bothered about rights for men. They didn’t feel that it was a big problem, and insisted that men don’t face as many problems as women do,” said one of the students, Shivira Mukherji (19).
In fact, when asked whether it was okay to humiliate men in public, almost half the women said there was nothing wrong with it.
- See more at: http://www.mid-day.com/articles/men-too ... ht1Fn.dpuf

Notably, 72% of the respondents (give or take) think there is a need for a mens rights group of some kind.

As well, 60% of respondents think the laws to protect women are misused to harm men.

(This is all in India, by the way.)

There seems to be some interesting extrapolation in that survey. The 5 questions asked are listed at the bottom and none of them mention humiliating men in public or mens rights groups.

[Ostroeuropa]

http://www.mid-day.com/articles/men-too-are-victims-of-sexism-finds-survey/16472159

An interesting article.



Notably, 72% of the respondents (give or take) think there is a need for a mens rights group of some kind.

As well, 60% of respondents think the laws to protect women are misused to harm men.

(This is all in India, by the way.)

Oh yes, India. The world's paragon of women's rights.

India Police Say 2 Brothers Behead Sister for Alleged Affair

Nothing you said does anything to undermine what I posted.
For one thing, this is a survey of actual people living in india, and it seems pretty decided.
All you've done is show that women also have issues in india, which was not contested by me or by the survey.

But I guess you'd like to go tell the Indians how their opinion of their own country and it's gender dynamics are wrong because it hurts your first world feminist feelings.

[Ostroeuropa]

http://www.mid-day.com/articles/men-too-are-victims-of-sexism-finds-survey/16472159

An interesting article.



Notably, 72% of the respondents (give or take) think there is a need for a mens rights group of some kind.

As well, 60% of respondents think the laws to protect women are misused to harm men.

(This is all in India, by the way.)

There seems to be some interesting extrapolation in that survey. The 5 questions asked are listed at the bottom and none of them mention humiliating men in public or mens rights groups.

EDIT:
See what you mean now.
I don't know if those are the only questions, but if it's the case it's certainly odd. I can't see how those questions could be the only ones and they'd get these results, especially as some have nothing to do with the results such as 25% of people thinking only women have sexism happen to them.

[Esternial]

Oh yes, India. The world's paragon of women's rights.

India Police Say 2 Brothers Behead Sister for Alleged Affair

Nothing you said does anything to undermine what I posted.
For one thing, this is a survey of actual people living in india, and it seems pretty decided.
All you've done is show that women also have issues in india, which was not contested by me or by the survey.

But I guess you'd like to go tell the Indians how their opinion of their own country and it's gender dynamics are wrong because it hurts your first world feminist feelings.

I might be wrong but there's a good change that the respondents might have a different interpretation of what they consider their right and how that right is being harmed.

Extreme example: one of them might see it as their right to have their way with a woman.

So any figures on "we need to protect our rights" are fairly meaningless if it is not specified as to which rights they're referring to, and I feel that this survey doesn't quite cover all its bases.