The NS Mens Rights Thread

[The Serbian Empire]

Exactly. Unfortunately, it seems impractical radicalism's been in vogue lately.

All it takes is a small group of people to start the momentum for a more moderate and equal group. Social media can give even small groups loud voices.

That's how the radicals took over. They're always going to scream louder than the moderates as radicals have more passion in their positions.

[Ostroeuropa]

The people whining over her rape threats are no different than fox news being super butthurt about a minority of BLM protestors chanting to kill the police.
They're just prejudicial.

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Is this a bad joke?

No. What's your problem with it?

BRB; eating brains.

[Alyakia]

those kind of statements are generally pretty silly. also lol if you think race relations in the united states and sex in the uk are even remotely comparable.

The sentence gap disparity is larger for men/women than black/white.
Men have less social mobility.
Men are demonized in the media.

Yeh go ahead alykia, lol some more. Continue to show that you think it's a funny issue.

are we really going to have another "ostroeuropa misinterprets my lol" fight? the issues facing men aren't funny, the fact you think they're comparable is funny. men cannot walk the streets without fear o being gunned by the femgovernment, takes us back to when women owned men as slaves. wait you mean it's a completely different situation in almost every way?

[Galloism]

my quest to have ostroeuropa understand why talking about locking someone up in a basement and gangraping them is worse than being opposed to legislation

I must point out in the article linked, neither of those tweets she posted as threats were actually threats.

They were wishing harm, terrible awful harm that should never have been thought of much less penned, but they were not actually threats.

[Conserative Morality]

No. What's your problem with it?

"Getting upset over someone getting rape threats is just like Fox News getting butthurt!"

You're not really helping the fact that most see MRAs in general and you in particular as being less concern about men's rights and more concerned about taking women down a notch, no matter the damage done. I mean, trivializing rape threats? Really?

[Litorea]

Exactly. Unfortunately, it seems impractical radicalism's been in vogue lately.

All it takes is a small group of people to start the momentum for a more moderate and equal group. Social media can give even small groups loud voices.

Social media is a forum much more amenable to cheap and blindly angry all-or-nothing blanket statements than calm-but-boring sensibility, from my experience.

Saying "let's talk reasonably" is a lot less front-page-friendly than "DEATH TO THE OPPRESSORS".

[Geanna]

All it takes is a small group of people to start the momentum for a more moderate and equal group. Social media can give even small groups loud voices.

That's how the radicals took over. They're always going to scream louder than the moderates as radicals have more passion in their positions.

Misconception about Moderates is that we're not willing to take action. We're equated with apathy, but really, we can be just as loud. All being a Moderate means, is taking the middle road, it doesn't mean laziness or remaining inactive. Now, generally, we'd like to have both sides of the story before we act Radicalisation in groups is just an evolutionary result in group dynamics. It's going to happen, and they need to be challenged when it does.

[Alyakia]

scotland yard is facing a sexism scandal after a man used his mobile phone to record female police officers subjecting him to a tirade of abuse in which he was told: "The problem with you is you will always be a disposable male"

oh wait

[Conserative Morality]

I must point out in the article linked, neither of those tweets she posted as threats were actually threats.

They were wishing harm, terrible awful harm that should never have been thought of much less penned, but they were not actually threats.

Now that you point that out, I agree, but I don't know what the appropriate term would be.

[Neutraligon]

That's how the radicals took over. They're always going to scream louder than the moderates as radicals have more passion in their positions.

Misconception about Moderates is that we're not willing to take action. We're equated with apathy, but really, we can be just as loud. All being a Moderate means, is taking the middle road, it doesn't mean laziness or remaining inactive. Now, generally, we'd like to have both sides of the story before we act Radicalisation in groups is just an evolutionary result in group dynamics. It's going to happen, and they need to be challenged when it does.

It does mean though that we tend not to be as loud as those who are more extreme, and our comments are, well, more moderate in tone. It is people being loud and obnoxious who tend to get the attention of other people.

[Litorea]

I must point out in the article linked, neither of those tweets she posted as threats were actually threats.

They were wishing harm, terrible awful harm that should never have been thought of much less penned, but they were not actually threats.

Now that you point that out, I agree, but I don't know what the appropriate term would be.

"Hate-o-grams"?

[Galloism]

I must point out in the article linked, neither of those tweets she posted as threats were actually threats.

They were wishing harm, terrible awful harm that should never have been thought of much less penned, but they were not actually threats.

Now that you point that out, I agree, but I don't know what the appropriate term would be.

Nationstates uses the term "wishing harm", and we don't allow it.

Seems accurate enough of a designation.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No. What's your problem with it?

"Getting upset over someone getting rape threats is just like Fox News getting butthurt!"

You're not really helping the fact that most see MRAs in general and you in particular as being less concern about men's rights and more concerned about taking women down a notch, no matter the damage done. I mean, trivializing rape threats? Really?

I will admit that the post above is pretty spot on.

While I have my reservations about how to best manage the rise of cyber-bullying and cyber-threatening because of the inherent nature of the Internet and the fact legislation against either one of those things would require giving up privacy and giving more control over your data to the government (*cringe*), I will not say that trivializing rape threats on Twitter is okay. In fact it shouldn't happen, but it is the internet, an unmoderated space unlike NS which is pretty safe and nobody hurls death threats at each other for lunch (even if we wished to).

[Conserative Morality]

"Hate-o-grams"?

That sounds like a cute little "fuck you" you send to your friends on special occasions.

[Geanna]

All it takes is a small group of people to start the momentum for a more moderate and equal group. Social media can give even small groups loud voices.

Social media is a forum much more amenable to cheap and blindly angry all-or-nothing blanket statements than calm-but-boring sensibility, from my experience.

Saying "let's talk reasonably" is a lot less front-page-friendly than "DEATH TO THE OPPRESSORS".

Talking sensibly can still be just as eye grabbing as spouting stark statements. It's all abouy how you sell yourself, and your approach. A lot of great things have happened thanks to social media and its use, a lot of bad things as well. As cynical as it sounds, you just have to know how to manipulate people to at least listen. Humans aren't always unpredictable.

[Conserative Morality]

Nationstates uses the term "wishing harm", and we don't allow it.

Seems accurate enough of a designation.

Damn. I was hoping for an easily used noun.

[Galloism]

"Getting upset over someone getting rape threats is just like Fox News getting butthurt!"

You're not really helping the fact that most see MRAs in general and you in particular as being less concern about men's rights and more concerned about taking women down a notch, no matter the damage done. I mean, trivializing rape threats? Really?

I will admit that the post above is pretty spot on.

While I have my reservations about how to best manage the rise of cyber-bullying and cyber-threatening because of the inherent nature of the Internet and the fact legislation against either one of those things would require giving up privacy and giving more control over your data to the government (*cringe*), I will not say that trivializing rape threats on Twitter is okay. In fact it shouldn't happen, but it is the internet, an unmoderated space unlike NS which is pretty safe and nobody hurls death threats at each other for lunch (even if we wished to).

What threats?

I mean, I'm not saying there weren't threats, but there's been no evidence of threats.

There's evidence of disturbingly detailed harm wishing going on, but so far no evidence of threats.

[The Serbian Empire]

Misconception about Moderates is that we're not willing to take action. We're equated with apathy, but really, we can be just as loud. All being a Moderate means, is taking the middle road, it doesn't mean laziness or remaining inactive. Now, generally, we'd like to have both sides of the story before we act Radicalisation in groups is just an evolutionary result in group dynamics. It's going to happen, and they need to be challenged when it does.

It does mean though that we tend not to be as loud as those who are more extreme, and our comments are, well, more moderate in tone. It is people being loud and obnoxious who tend to get the attention of other people.

Indeed, the moderate path may be the most popular but I haven't heard of too many radicalized vocal moderates.

[Alyakia]

i hate to compare random labour peer to the president of the united states but people say go on about how someone should kill obama get slapped just like the people that say they want to kill obama do

[Galloism]

i hate to compare random labour peer to the president of the united states but people say go on about how someone should kill obama get slapped just like the people that say they want to kill obama do

Really? Slapped in what way?

[Conserative Morality]

i hate to compare random labour peer to the president of the united states but people say go on about how someone should kill obama get slapped just like the people that say they want to kill obama do

Do they? My facebook feed is filled with people saying Obama should get killed.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I will admit that the post above is pretty spot on.

While I have my reservations about how to best manage the rise of cyber-bullying and cyber-threatening because of the inherent nature of the Internet and the fact legislation against either one of those things would require giving up privacy and giving more control over your data to the government (*cringe*), I will not say that trivializing rape threats on Twitter is okay. In fact it shouldn't happen, but it is the internet, an unmoderated space unlike NS which is pretty safe and nobody hurls death threats at each other for lunch (even if we wished to).

What threats?

I mean, I'm not saying there weren't threats, but there's been no evidence of threats.

There's evidence of disturbingly detailed harm wishing going on, but so far no evidence of threats.

That would fall under "cyber-bullying". Which is an issue.

[Alyakia]

i hate to compare random labour peer to the president of the united states but people say go on about how someone should kill obama get slapped just like the people that say they want to kill obama do

Really? Slapped in what way?

secret service slapped

though admittedly this is based on one case from a while ago

[Galloism]

What threats?

I mean, I'm not saying there weren't threats, but there's been no evidence of threats.

There's evidence of disturbingly detailed harm wishing going on, but so far no evidence of threats.

That would fall under "cyber-bullying". Which is an issue.

I'm just saying you can't trivialize threats not proven to exist, although I would agree that, if sustained, it would constitute a form of cyber bullying.

[Galloism]

Really? Slapped in what way?

secret service slapped

though admittedly this is based on one case from a while ago

Really? Got sauce?