The NS Mens Rights Thread

[Ostroeuropa]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/labour-mp-jess-phillips-alerts-6734126

Any comment from the Misogynist's Rights Activists?

What the others said. Plus, again the utter hypocrisy of a feminist is revealed.

A woman with institutional power is using that power to cause suppression of mens rights.

And you're more worried about "Pigs in a blanket!" statements made in response.

You're the same type of person as the anti-black lives matter movement.

Yeh i have a comment for you. Go work for Fox News.

[Alyakia]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/labour-mp-jess-phillips-alerts-6734126

Any comment from the Misogynist's Rights Activists?

What the others said. Plus, again the utter hypocrisy of a feminist is revealed.

A woman with institutional power is using that power to cause suppression of mens rights.

And you're more worried about "Pigs in a blanket!" statements made in response.

You're the same type of person as the anti-black lives matter movement.

Yeh i have a comment for you. Go work for Fox News.

well yeah one involves the police and one doesn't

[Alyakia]

i would totally make a minister for mens rights though as long as you promise not to claim victory over it

[Litorea]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/labour-mp-jess-phillips-alerts-6734126

Any comment from the Misogynist's Rights Activists?

Because obviously an outburst by a random internet neckbeard is enough evidence to invalidate the beliefs and opinions of an entire group of people.

[Byrrazan]

Can I just say something? Masculinism is not a thing and masculinists do not exist.

Feminism is a thing, and feminists do exist. Rightfully so as well since men are not oppressed and women are. Trans men are more accepted in society as men as opposed to trans women being brutally murdered for simply just wanting to become themselves.

[Neutraligon]

Can I just say something? Masculinism is not a thing and masculinists do not exist.

Feminism is a thing, and feminists do exist. Rightfully so as well since men are not oppressed and women are. Trans men are more accepted in society as men as opposed to trans women being brutally murdered for simply just wanting to become themselves.

There are areas where men have fewer or lesser rights then women, or are treated differently. They primarily deal with two areas, the justice system, where men are often treated more harshly then women, and childcare, where men are often looked down upon or do not have the same access to their children. These are things that need to be changed for equality and is something feminists should work with their men's rights cohorts to fix.

[Litorea]

Can I just say something? Masculinism is not a thing and masculinists do not exist.

Feminism is a thing, and feminists do exist. Rightfully so as well since men are not oppressed and women are. Trans men are more accepted in society as men as opposed to trans women being brutally murdered for simply just wanting to become themselves.

You're saying that in a thread devoted to the concept, which is a bit like walking into a synagogue and telling everyone there that Judaism doesn't actually exist, and is actually just a massive ruse.

Are men "oppressed"? Nah. But neither are women, really. There are shortcomings and barricades for both genders, sure - but there isn't a massive orchestration of repression in society against anyone, at least not anymore, and if there is there isn't really any way to counteract it more without getting dangerously close to the rights of private individuals. In reality though, both the MRAs and the feminists are out for greater freedom for their respective constituents in society. I wonder why the reasonable elements of both the MRAs and the feminists don't actually engage in discourse to remove roadblocks in the greater development of all individuals rather than just typing angrily at each other.

[Ostroeuropa]

What the others said. Plus, again the utter hypocrisy of a feminist is revealed.

A woman with institutional power is using that power to cause suppression of mens rights.

And you're more worried about "Pigs in a blanket!" statements made in response.

You're the same type of person as the anti-black lives matter movement.

Yeh i have a comment for you. Go work for Fox News.

well yeah one involves the police and one doesn't

Involves a person abusing institutional power to discriminate.

[Galloism]

Can I just say something? Masculinism is not a thing and masculinists do not exist.

Feminism is a thing, and feminists do exist. Rightfully so as well since men are not oppressed and women are.

Given we've given at least a dozen examples of vast institutional discrimination against men, as a class, in this thread, with sources, I can only assume somehow you're typing without being able to read.

Trans men are more accepted in society as men as opposed to trans women being brutally murdered for simply just wanting to become themselves.

yes, because gender roles are much looser on women than men. A biological woman who violates her gender role to become a man receives less backlash than a biological man who violates his to become a woman.

[Ostroeuropa]

Can I just say something? Masculinism is not a thing and masculinists do not exist.

Feminism is a thing, and feminists do exist. Rightfully so as well since men are not oppressed and women are. Trans men are more accepted in society as men as opposed to trans women being brutally murdered for simply just wanting to become themselves.

Do you know men are the victims of more violence than women?
That they suffer more from an impoverished start than women?
That women are better able to climb the social ladder?

That men are a minority of university applicants?
That most of the homeless are men?
That men are imprisoned longer for the same crimes?
Etc.

[Geanna]

Why not form a movement that promotes the rights of both men and women, instead of the divisionary trash between the two groups eh?

[Alyakia]

well yeah one involves the police and one doesn't

Involves a person abusing institutional power to discriminate.

unless you're willing to go full anarchist institutional power in this country will always be more legitimate than extra-judicial violence

[Neutraligon]

Can I just say something? Masculinism is not a thing and masculinists do not exist.

Feminism is a thing, and feminists do exist. Rightfully so as well since men are not oppressed and women are. Trans men are more accepted in society as men as opposed to trans women being brutally murdered for simply just wanting to become themselves.

You're saying that in a thread devoted to the concept, which is a bit like walking into a synagogue and telling everyone there that Judaism doesn't actually exist, and is actually just a massive ruse.

Are men "oppressed"? Nah. But neither are women, really. There are shortcomings and barricades for both genders, sure - but there isn't a massive orchestration of repression in society against anyone, at least not anymore, and if there is there isn't really any way to counteract it more without getting dangerously close to the rights of private individuals. In reality though, both the MRAs and the feminists are out for greater freedom for their respective constituents in society. I wonder why the reasonable elements of both the MRAs and the feminists don't actually engage in discourse to remove roadblocks in the greater development of all individuals rather than just typing angrily at each other.

Unfortunately I think it is because the extremists on either side have created a situation where the two sides, which should be working together, are no longer able to do so. On one side you have people like Anita Sarkeesian who has claimed that everything is sexist, everything is racist, and who has been getting all the press. On the other side you have the men's rights boards that actively attempt to put women down. Since neither side trusts the other, and since the more moderate on either side tend not to speak loudly (kinda what it means to be moderate) both groups end up getting to be known by their extremists.

[Litorea]

Why not form a movement that promotes the rights of both men and women, instead of the divisionary trash between the two groups eh?

Exactly. Unfortunately, it seems impractical radicalism's been in vogue lately.

[Camicon]

Can I just say something? Masculinism is not a thing and masculinists do not exist.

Feminism is a thing, and feminists do exist. Rightfully so as well since men are not oppressed and women are. Trans men are more accepted in society as men as opposed to trans women being brutally murdered for simply just wanting to become themselves.

Firstly, you're right, "masculanism" isn't a thing. Masculism, on the other hand...
Secondly, men are oppressed in some aspects of society. Having privilege in other areas does not invalidate that; it's called "intersectionality".
Thirdly, women who have undergone sexual reassignment surgery are not attacked for being women; they are attacked because some idiots still think of them as men, and men who step outside of the still very strict, still very traditional, and still very unforgiving gender roles which have been assigned to them are, at best, looked on with intense distrust. It's not because people see them as women, it's because people see them as men who have so done something so entirely and completely outside the realm of what men are "allowed" to do. That is what provokes a violent response.

[Alyakia]

my quest to have ostroeuropa understand why talking about locking someone up in a basement and gangraping them is worse than being opposed to legislation

[Byrrazan]

Can I just say something? Masculinism is not a thing and masculinists do not exist.

Feminism is a thing, and feminists do exist. Rightfully so as well since men are not oppressed and women are. Trans men are more accepted in society as men as opposed to trans women being brutally murdered for simply just wanting to become themselves.

There are areas where men have fewer or lesser rights then women, or are treated differently. They primarily deal with two areas, the justice system, where men are often treated more harshly then women, and childcare, where men are often looked down upon or do not have the same access to their children. These are things that need to be changed for equality and is something feminists should work with their men's rights cohorts to fix.

Yes and there are also areas of the world where 2 women only make up 1 man in the courtroom from the testimonies and therefore male supremacy exists.

[Galloism]

There are areas where men have fewer or lesser rights then women, or are treated differently. They primarily deal with two areas, the justice system, where men are often treated more harshly then women, and childcare, where men are often looked down upon or do not have the same access to their children. These are things that need to be changed for equality and is something feminists should work with their men's rights cohorts to fix.

Yes and there are also areas of the world where 2 women only make up 1 man in the courtroom from the testimonies and therefore male supremacy exists.

Of course, generally speaking, masculism doesn't exist in backwards hellholes. It exists in western society where institutionalized discrimination exists against men.

[Neutraligon]

There are areas where men have fewer or lesser rights then women, or are treated differently. They primarily deal with two areas, the justice system, where men are often treated more harshly then women, and childcare, where men are often looked down upon or do not have the same access to their children. These are things that need to be changed for equality and is something feminists should work with their men's rights cohorts to fix.

Yes and there are also areas of the world where 2 women only make up 1 man in the courtroom from the testimonies and therefore male supremacy exists.

That depends on where you are in the world. No one is debating that in certain areas of the world, women are highly oppressed. There is however also no debating that in certain areas of Western (or at least American) society where men face inequality. By the way, I am a feminist, I guess considering as a feminist I feel men and women should be equal before the law, and preferably not face de facto discrimination means I am also a Masculinist.

[Camicon]

There are areas where men have fewer or lesser rights then women, or are treated differently. They primarily deal with two areas, the justice system, where men are often treated more harshly then women, and childcare, where men are often looked down upon or do not have the same access to their children. These are things that need to be changed for equality and is something feminists should work with their men's rights cohorts to fix.

Yes and there are also areas of the world where 2 women only make up 1 man in the courtroom from the testimonies and therefore male supremacy exists.

We're not talking about "some places", we're talking about democratized, developed, largely western states. Comparing a place like Saudi Arabia to Iceland is beyond stupid; their societies are so different that you can't generalize aspects of one to the other.

[Ostroeuropa]

my quest to have ostroeuropa understand why talking about locking someone up in a basement and gangraping them is worse than being opposed to legislation

"PIGS IN A BLANKET!
FRY EM LIKE BACON!"

You're being disingenuous.

The people whining over her rape threats are no different than fox news being super butthurt about a minority of BLM protestors chanting to kill the police.
They're just prejudicial.

[Geanna]

Why not form a movement that promotes the rights of both men and women, instead of the divisionary trash between the two groups eh?

Exactly. Unfortunately, it seems impractical radicalism's been in vogue lately.

All it takes is a small group of people to start the momentum for a more moderate and equal group. Social media can give even small groups loud voices.

[Alyakia]

my quest to have ostroeuropa understand why talking about locking someone up in a basement and gangraping them is worse than being opposed to legislation

"PIGS IN A BLANKET!
FRY EM LIKE BACON!"

You're being disingenuous.

those kind of statements are generally pretty silly. also lol if you think race relations in the united states and sex in the uk are even remotely comparable.

[Conserative Morality]

The people whining over her rape threats are no different than fox news being super butthurt about a minority of BLM protestors chanting to kill the police.
They're just prejudicial.

...

Is this a bad joke?

[Ostroeuropa]

"PIGS IN A BLANKET!
FRY EM LIKE BACON!"

You're being disingenuous.

those kind of statements are generally pretty silly. also lol if you think race relations in the united states and sex in the uk are even remotely comparable.

The sentence gap disparity is larger for men/women than black/white.
Men have less social mobility.
Men are demonized in the media.
There is mass violence against men.
There is a comparable gang problem.

Yeh go ahead alykia, lol some more. Continue to show that you think it's a funny issue and that you don't take it seriously. Personally I think you should shut up about it because you clearly don't take it seriously.