The NS Mens Rights Thread

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No, many of them fuck around. They have not sworn out of fucking, they have sowrn off of making meaningful relationships with women.

oh sounds great

Eh, I disagree with them about the conceptions they have around women and dating/marriage to be honest. But it is useful to know what your opponent's ideology is as opposed to what you think it is.

[Valystria]

Whatever gave you that idea?!

Some MRAs I've spoken with.

Still waiting for you to source your claim that women are more aggressive than men.

You said it. Now back it up with a source. Or recant your previous statement on it.

[Galloism]

Uh, no. It's actually a pretty basic fact.

Show me an MRA who was involved in a mass shooting.

Elliot Rodger.

He was one, even if you claim he was "no true MRA".

well, more like he never claimed to be one, wasn't known as one, didn't espouse the views of one, and, as far as we know, never even knew one, we can probably say he wasn't an MRA.

In the same sense that Stalin wasn't a feminist.

[Valystria]

Elliot Rodger.

He was one, even if you claim he was "no true MRA".

well, more like he never claimed to be one, wasn't known as one, didn't espouse the views of one, and, as far as we know, never even knew one, we can probably say he wasn't an MRA.

In the same sense that Stalin wasn't a feminist.

Stalin never said he wasn't a feminist.

[Tahar Joblis]

2 entirely and 3 mostly

1 can depend on individual circumstance

http://phys.org/news/2006-11-men-main-gender-wars.html

Oh, and this:
http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/29/psych ... oward-men/


Mass divorce and women having custody most of the time coupled with lack of male teachers.

Some of the recurring themes in media content portrayed men as violent, sexually abusive, unable to be trusted with children, 'deadbeat dads', commitment phobic and in need of 're-construction'.
"Men were predominantly reported or portrayed in mass media as villains, aggressors, perverts and philanderers, with more than 75 per cent of all mass media representations of men and male identity showing men in on one of these four ways," Dr Macnamara says.


Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2006-11-men-main-g ... s.html#jCp

Further, in somewhat of a back-handed compliment, when positive portrayals of men as sensitive, emotional or caring were presented, these were described as men's and boys' 'feminine side.'

Emphasis added.

Yeh, I agree.
Now guess what I think caused the start of this trend.

keep in mind that if you say feminism it will go down in history as one of the most ridiclous things ever posted on these forums

Nice attempt to pre-empt. Facts, however, are not ridiculous.

Divorce and child custody: Women receiving default custody of children in divorce in the modern Anglosphere is a product of first-wave feminism. Directly. This started with the "tender years" doctrine. Look up Caroline Norton. Or read the Seneca Falls Declaration of Sentiments. Men used to automatically receive custody of children in divorce. First wave feminists fought very hard against this until the balance tipped the other way. This was a gradual change, and this led to a shift in the divorce rate and also who filed for divorce. Women file for divorce most of the time, and do so with the anticipation of custody.

Then, second wave feminists are widely credited as being at least partially responsible for no-fault divorce, though occasionally modern feminists are less than friendly to the idea. Which also led to a sharp increase in divorce rates. No-fault divorce isn't really a bad thing, mind, but it does leave feminists responsible for both of the major components involved with the high modern divorce rate, as a historical reality: Sole maternal custody as the de facto default, which drives the high rate of women filing for divorce, and no-fault divorce, which makes it easy to do so.

On top of that, feminists have fought consistently against fathers' groups at every turn to preserve maternal advantage in child custody, against even the de jure changes in law towards more egalitarian standards, etc. This, of course, has everything to do with the deadbeat dad narrative, as well.

Lack of men in teaching: This also starts with first-wave feminism, and the relatively unobjectionable way in which first wave feminists pushed for women to have access to higher education. Access to higher education opened up several career tracks for women, including teaching, clerical work, and near the end of the first wave, the brand-new profession of modern nursing.

However, after the initial impact of allowing women access to education (through, at the time, women's colleges), the percentage of men in the teaching profession varied mainly according to economic circumstances (relative wages, overall unemployment, etc)... until the late 1970s, when, coincident with the rise of second-wave feminists demonizing male sexuality and stirring up pedophile panic (aimed at men, of course), men began to avoid and exit the teaching profession irrespective of economic shifts.

And again, feminists have been implicated as the only party actively fighting against any attempt to remedy the problem. Nobody else wants to stop the problem from being fixed, but feminists are quick to claim that there's no real reason to try to bring more men into teaching and to frame the problem as being one of male privilege.

Active hostility towards men on college campuses: The "active hostility" towards men mentioned in the Daily Caller is the direct result of feminists pushing to strip protections from men accused of wrongdoing by women. The imbalanced sex ratio in the educational system is a result of decades of selectively addressing any problems faced by girls in education, while ignoring problems faced by boys, discrimination against boys by teachers, et cetera.

[Bearon]

Just a question. If I was ever to adopt as a single parent would I have more trouble doing so as a single male then a single female?

[Galloism]

Whatever gave you that idea?!

Some MRAs I've spoken with.

The same imaginary ones that want to exterminate women?

[Ardoki]

I'm wasting my time. I'm not going to change your views. So I may as well leave now.

Bye, bye.

[Galloism]

well, more like he never claimed to be one, wasn't known as one, didn't espouse the views of one, and, as far as we know, never even knew one, we can probably say he wasn't an MRA.

In the same sense that Stalin wasn't a feminist.

Stalin never said he wasn't a feminist.

I've been blind all this time.

[Camicon]

Just a question. If I was ever to adopt as a single parent would I have more trouble doing so as a single male then a single female?

Clearly. Single-men who like children are probably sexual predators, if you listen to the feminist narrative.

[Galloism]

Just a question. If I was ever to adopt as a single parent would I have more trouble doing so as a single male then a single female?

Probably.

[Royal Hindustan]

I'm wasting my time. I'm not going to change your views. So I may as well leave now.

Bye, bye.

If the door hits you in the face, don't blame it on patriarchy!

[Galloism]

I'm wasting my time. I'm not going to change your views. So I may as well leave now.

Bye, bye.

We typically don't change views without evidence that the new views are correct.

repeated assertions don't sway us.

[Ostroeuropa]

Whatever gave you that idea?!

Some MRAs I've spoken with.

No, you havn't.

[Valystria]

I'm wasting my time. I'm not going to change your views. So I may as well leave now.

Bye, bye.

Okay thanks for having subtly indicated you really were here to spread radical feminist propaganda against the MRM.

Do consider not posting here again until you're ready to back up your claims with sources.

Stalin never said he wasn't a feminist.

I've been blind all this time.

This is why we can't use Ardoki's standard on what qualifies as being of X group or not.

[Alyakia]

stalin was a feminist hitler was not hope this helps. feel free to hit me up any time you need more consultations. mussolini seems like a good MGTOW candidate if we give him a really bad breakup early on in life.

[Ardoki]

I'm wasting my time. I'm not going to change your views. So I may as well leave now.

Bye, bye.

Okay thanks for having subtly indicated you really were here to spread radical feminist propaganda against the MRM.

Do consider not posting here again until you're ready to back up your claims with sources.

I'm not a radical feminist. I didn't provide evidence and sources, because you wouldn't accept it if I posted (so there was no point in wasting my time to find, analyse and post it).

Plus, you have no thread ownership. I can post here, whenever I please.

[Ostroeuropa]

Just a question. If I was ever to adopt as a single parent would I have more trouble doing so as a single male then a single female?

Yes, this is one of the issues the MRM is concerned with, though admittedly it doesn't get much focus on this specifically. Rather, the focus is more around combating the negative stereotypes which cause this problem.

[Ostroeuropa]

stalin was a feminist hitler was not hope this helps. feel free to hit me up any time you need more consultations. mussolini seems like a good MGTOW candidate if we give him a really bad breakup early on in life.

Actually the newer wave of MGTOWs are young men who are disillusioned with women to an extreme.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... #p24777686

[Galloism]

Okay thanks for having subtly indicated you really were here to spread radical feminist propaganda against the MRM.

Do consider not posting here again until you're ready to back up your claims with sources.

I'm not a radical feminist. I didn't provide evidence and sources, because you wouldn't accept it if I posted (so there was no point in wasting my time to find, analyse and post it).

Well we'll never know will we?

Repeated assertions is all we're apparently going to get.

Thought you were leaving?

[Bearon]

Just a question. If I was ever to adopt as a single parent would I have more trouble doing so as a single male then a single female?

Clearly. Single-men who like children are probably sexual predators, if you listen to the feminist narrative.

But I love children. D: What should I expect to encounter regarding the perceived perverseness/pedophilia of males when I become an elementary school teacher?

[Royal Hindustan]

oh sounds great

Eh, I disagree with them about the conceptions they have around women and dating/marriage to be honest. But it is useful to know what your opponent's ideology is as opposed to what you think it is.

Basically, there's two ways. Since you study Marxist theory ( I am the complete opposite of Marxist, devout capitalist), there are Revolutionist MGTOWS and Revisionist MGTOWS. The Revolutionists want a complete overthrew, and are more radical advocating no contact. Reviniosists believe in turning the system their way. They want to make it so that they take away the dominance of power women have in divorce, childcare and such. Maybe it's not big enough yet, but it could be soon enough. That's the basic jist.

[Ardoki]

Just a question. If I was ever to adopt as a single parent would I have more trouble doing so as a single male then a single female?

Yes, this is one of the issues the MRM is concerned with, though admittedly it doesn't get much focus on this specifically. Rather, the focus is more around combating the negative stereotypes which cause this problem.

This would be something I would consider an inequity, a disadvantage men have. Which should be eliminated, like all other gender inequities.

What I don't like of the Men's Rights Movement, is the dismissal of disadvantages women have (which I've seen on this thread) which comes across as sexist.

[Valystria]

Okay thanks for having subtly indicated you really were here to spread radical feminist propaganda against the MRM.

Do consider not posting here again until you're ready to back up your claims with sources.

I'm not a radical feminist. I didn't provide evidence and sources, because you wouldn't accept it if I posted (so there was no point in wasting my time to find, analyse and post it).

Plus, you have no thread ownership. I can post here, whenever I please.

You walk and talk like a radical feminist. You say exactly the same anti-MRM claims they do. You promote exactly the same biological genderism as radical feminists do.

Nice way of saying you don't actually have any sources. Don't make claims you can't back up.

Didn't you say you're leaving?

[Galloism]

Clearly. Single-men who like children are probably sexual predators, if you listen to the feminist narrative.

But I love children. D: What should I expect to encounter regarding the perceived perverseness/pedophilia of males when I become an elementary school teacher?

Well, when I drove a bus and did substitute teaching, the school recommended a male bus driver or teacher never touch a student. If a student came up to hug you, you could passively accept it (IE, not move) but you cannot hug them back.

In high school and junior high, you can shake hands, but that's it, but at the elementary level, you are always under scrutiny.