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Postby Ardoki » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:24 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Then what is the difference?


http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... #p24779606

There you go.

What is an MGTOW? Are they the radical MRAs who want to exterminate women?
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Postby Ardoki » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:25 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Ardoki wrote:MRA I've spoken with, wanted to exterminate women. Eliot Rodger, also hated women and wanted to kill him.
Due to my experioenced of the MRA movement, I naturally assumed he was part of it.

Just because you are not as radical as some MRAs, doesn't mean they don't exist.


It's clear you're just making shit up.
I am, in fact, on the radical end of the MRM spectrum.

No MRA has ever been proven to be involved in a mass shooting.

You've shown you don't know the difference between the different manospheric movements, so why should we believe you talked to an MRA and not something else?

No True Scotsman's fallacy.
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Postby Galloism » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:25 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
viewtopic.php?p=24779606#p24779606

There you go.

What is an MGTOW? Are they the radical MRAs who want to exterminate women?

Nope, although men going their own way is a philosophical movement of sorts. they've sworn off dating women for philosophical reasons (for the most part - gradations can be found).
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:26 pm

Ardoki wrote:

What is an MGTOW? Are they the radical MRAs who want to exterminate women?


http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... #p24777686
Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Galloism » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:26 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
It's clear you're just making shit up.
I am, in fact, on the radical end of the MRM spectrum.

No MRA has ever been proven to be involved in a mass shooting.

You've shown you don't know the difference between the different manospheric movements, so why should we believe you talked to an MRA and not something else?

No True Scotsman's fallacy.

Uh, no. It's actually a pretty basic fact.

Show me an MRA who was involved in a mass shooting.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:26 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
viewtopic.php?p=24779606#p24779606

There you go.

What is an MGTOW? Are they the radical MRAs who want to exterminate women?


What the fuck?!

MGTOW means "Men Going Their Own Way", they basically do not conform that men need women to live and they "go their own way" because they think women are too much trouble.

They don't want to exterminate women. In fact we have a MGTOW in NSG.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:26 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
It's clear you're just making shit up.
I am, in fact, on the radical end of the MRM spectrum.

No MRA has ever been proven to be involved in a mass shooting.

You've shown you don't know the difference between the different manospheric movements, so why should we believe you talked to an MRA and not something else?

No True Scotsman's fallacy.


Lol.
No, it isn't.
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Postby Ardoki » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:26 pm

Galloism wrote:
Ardoki wrote:What is an MGTOW? Are they the radical MRAs who want to exterminate women?

Nope, although men going their own way is a philosophical movement of sorts. they've sworn off dating women for philosophical reasons (for the most part - gradations can be found).

So.

They are not going to get married and have children? They are basically celebrate, like priests?
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Postby Galloism » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:26 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Galloism wrote:Nope, although men going their own way is a philosophical movement of sorts. they've sworn off dating women for philosophical reasons (for the most part - gradations can be found).

So.

They are not going to get married and have children? They are basically celebrate, like priests?

Party all night long.
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Postby Ardoki » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:27 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Ardoki wrote:What is an MGTOW? Are they the radical MRAs who want to exterminate women?


What the fuck?!

MGTOW means "Men Going Their Own Way", they basically do not conform that men need women to live and they "go their own way" because they think women are too much trouble.

They don't want to exterminate women. In fact we have a MGTOW in NSG.

I thought it would be similar to some extreme feminists, who want to exterminate men.
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Postby Camicon » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:27 pm

Galloism wrote:
Ardoki wrote:So.

They are not going to get married and have children? They are basically celebrate, like priests?

Party all night long.

Just as long as there are no little kids around.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:27 pm

By the way Gallo.
I can answer your question, because I know of the only MRA who does this shit.

http://mensrightssydney.com/2014/04/25/ ... an-effect/

We named this after him.
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Postby Ardoki » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:28 pm

Galloism wrote:
Ardoki wrote:No True Scotsman's fallacy.

Uh, no. It's actually a pretty basic fact.

Show me an MRA who was involved in a mass shooting.

Elliot Rodger.

He was one, even if you claim he was "no true MRA".
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Postby Galloism » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:28 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
What the fuck?!

MGTOW means "Men Going Their Own Way", they basically do not conform that men need women to live and they "go their own way" because they think women are too much trouble.

They don't want to exterminate women. In fact we have a MGTOW in NSG.

I thought it would be similar to some extreme feminists, who want to exterminate men.

More akin to political lesbians, actually (although no part of MGTOW requires going gay).
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:29 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Galloism wrote:Nope, although men going their own way is a philosophical movement of sorts. they've sworn off dating women for philosophical reasons (for the most part - gradations can be found).

So.

They are not going to get married and have children? They are basically celebrate, like priests?


No, many of them fuck around. They have not sworn out of fucking, they have sowrn off of making meaningful relationships with women.
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Postby Camicon » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:29 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Galloism wrote:Uh, no. It's actually a pretty basic fact.

Show me an MRA who was involved in a mass shooting.

Elliot Rodger.

He was one, even if you claim he was "no true MRA".

He never claimed to be an MRA. He never acted like an MRA. Ergo, he was not an MRA.
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Postby Alyakia » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:29 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Ardoki wrote:So.

They are not going to get married and have children? They are basically celebrate, like priests?


No, many of them fuck around. They have not sworn out of fucking, they have sowrn off of making meaningful relationships with women.


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Postby Valystria » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:29 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Galloism wrote:Uh, no. It's actually a pretty basic fact.

Show me an MRA who was involved in a mass shooting.

Elliot Rodger.

He was one, even if you claim he was "no true MRA".


You're the only one claiming he was.

And as usual you didn't provide any evidence for it.

All you're doing is repeating standard feminist misinformation against the MRA.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:29 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
What the fuck?!

MGTOW means "Men Going Their Own Way", they basically do not conform that men need women to live and they "go their own way" because they think women are too much trouble.

They don't want to exterminate women. In fact we have a MGTOW in NSG.

I thought it would be similar to some extreme feminists, who want to exterminate men.


Whatever gave you that idea?!
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Postby Ardoki » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:30 pm

Camicon wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Elliot Rodger.

He was one, even if you claim he was "no true MRA".

He never claimed to be an MRA. He never acted like an MRA. Ergo, he was not an MRA.

He never claimed to be a mass murderer. But that doesn't mean he wasn't one.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:30 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Galloism wrote:Uh, no. It's actually a pretty basic fact.

Show me an MRA who was involved in a mass shooting.

Elliot Rodger.

He was one, even if you claim he was "no true MRA".


Hitler was a feminist.
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Postby Camicon » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:30 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Camicon wrote:He never claimed to be an MRA. He never acted like an MRA. Ergo, he was not an MRA.

He never claimed to be a mass murderer. But that doesn't mean he wasn't one.

Re-read my post. The second sentence, specifically.
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Postby Valystria » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:30 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Camicon wrote:He never claimed to be an MRA. He never acted like an MRA. Ergo, he was not an MRA.

He never claimed to be a mass murderer. But that doesn't mean he wasn't one.


Conspiracy theories with Ardoki.

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Postby Ardoki » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:31 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Ardoki wrote:I thought it would be similar to some extreme feminists, who want to exterminate men.


Whatever gave you that idea?!

Some MRAs I've spoken with.
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Postby Royal Hindustan » Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:31 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Camicon wrote:He never claimed to be an MRA. He never acted like an MRA. Ergo, he was not an MRA.

He never claimed to be a mass murderer. But that doesn't mean he wasn't one.

Because being a mass murderer is simple. Kill a big group of people, and you're a mass murderer. Yet, you could work all your life for men's rights, and never call yourself an MRA. It's a social label, not a legal label.

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