The NS Mens Rights Thread

[Ostroeuropa]

A minority of men who held all the explicit political power.

What's your point? Did you even understand the context?

My point is that black people didn't have implicit power and women did.
Further, all whites were preferably treated by the system.
That isn't true of men.

[Ostroeuropa]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/3 ... ity-report

[Grave_n_idle]

What's your point? Did you even understand the context?

My point is that black people didn't have implicit power and women did.
Further, all whites were preferably treated by the system.
That isn't true of men.

So... no, then.

[Haktiva]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/34667100/poor-white-boys-get-a-worse-start-in-life-says-equality-report

it's not surprising when education is more or less geared towards giving girls an advantage, plus it's hammered into these boy's heads that they're somehow evil just because they have a penis(the original sin of patriarchy), not to mention a lack of entitlement programs.

[Grave_n_idle]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/34667100/poor-white-boys-get-a-worse-start-in-life-says-equality-report

Girls trying harder in school is a men's rights issue?

[Ostroeuropa]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/34667100/poor-white-boys-get-a-worse-start-in-life-says-equality-report

Girls trying harder in school is a men's rights issue?

That's pretty sexist of you. As usual, it's a result of your ignorance of mens issues and your kneejerk refusal to accept that society is actively sexist against men.
Boys are marked lower than girls for the same work.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=357514&p=26396362#p26396362

How about you research things before running your mouth off.

[Fartsniffage]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/34667100/poor-white-boys-get-a-worse-start-in-life-says-equality-report

Girls trying harder in school is a men's rights issue?

Well, yes. If we assume a equal distribution of scholastic ability across the sexes then there must be a reason or reasons boys are less engaged at school.

[Galloism]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/34667100/poor-white-boys-get-a-worse-start-in-life-says-equality-report

Girls trying harder in school is a men's rights issue?

One could easily turn that exact argument around against feminism regarding women CEOs and top managers.

[Grave_n_idle]

Girls trying harder in school is a men's rights issue?

That's pretty sexist of you. As usual, it's a result of your ignorance of mens issues.
Boys are marked lower than girls for the same work.

That's pretty sexist of you. As usual, it's a result of your ignorance of mens issues.

The article says boys are scoring lower in exams, not that they are being unfairly marked for equal work.

I did fine at school, despite being a boy.

[Grave_n_idle]

Girls trying harder in school is a men's rights issue?

One could easily turn that exact argument around against feminism regarding women CEOs and top managers.

One could.

There were several explanations for the statistics in the article, and I offered another. I'm not assuming it was discrimination based on gender, because there's no evidence it was.

[Galloism]

That's pretty sexist of you. As usual, it's a result of your ignorance of mens issues.
Boys are marked lower than girls for the same work.

That's pretty sexist of you. As usual, it's a result of your ignorance of mens issues.

The article says boys are scoring lower in exams, not that they are being unfairly marked for equal work.

I did fine at school, despite being a boy.

You seem to be confusing anecdote with data again.

[Grave_n_idle]

That's pretty sexist of you. As usual, it's a result of your ignorance of mens issues.

The article says boys are scoring lower in exams, not that they are being unfairly marked for equal work.

I did fine at school, despite being a boy.

You seem to be confusing anecdote with data again.

Someone claiming unequal marks were given for equal work is not data.

[Ostroeuropa]

Female Teachers Give Male Pupils Lower Marks, Claims Study

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/02 ... 81236.html

By the way, most teachers are female thanks to the feminist movement and it's demonization of male sexuality, in addition to other things.

[Ostroeuropa]

That's pretty sexist of you. As usual, it's a result of your ignorance of mens issues.
Boys are marked lower than girls for the same work.

That's pretty sexist of you. As usual, it's a result of your ignorance of mens issues.

The article says boys are scoring lower in exams, not that they are being unfairly marked for equal work.

I did fine at school, despite being a boy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/02 ... 81236.html

[Haktiva]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/34667100/poor-white-boys-get-a-worse-start-in-life-says-equality-report

Girls trying harder in school is a men's rights issue?

I think the only time women care is when their aren't enough boys on their "level".


another article on the issue

“Girls outperform boys in elementary school, middle school, high school, and college, and graduate school,” says Dr. Michael Thompson, a school psychologist who writes about the academic problems of boys in his book, "Raising Cain." He says that after decades of special attention, girls are soaring, while boys are stagnating.

“Girls are being told, 'Go for it, you can do it. Go for it, you can do it.' They are getting an immense amount of support,” he says. “Boys hear that the way to shine is athletically. And boys get a lot of mixed messages about what it means to be masculine and what it means to be a student. Does being a good student make you a real man? I don't think so… It is not cool.”

One of the few women I respect, Christina Hoff Sommers, has a few things to say on the matter as well.

Sommers also accuses women teachers of favoring girls over boys. She says they reward classroom behavior that girls find easier, like sitting still, and punish boys for being, well, boys.

“If boys are obstreperous and high-spirited and competitive, which most of them are, this is seen as behavior which is not tolerated. They see that as an expression of a toxic masculinity,” she says.

There's also the matter of boys having a lack of good role models. It doesn't help that a woman can throw the man out on a whim, for the most part, but since most teachers are women as well as the staff, well even if they're good teachers a lack of a good male role model can really fuck up young men.

[Grave_n_idle]

Girls trying harder in school is a men's rights issue?

Well, yes. If we assume a equal distribution of scholastic ability across the sexes then there must be a reason or reasons boys are less engaged at school.

The article gave one reason that would adequately explain it - the idea that some students are coming to the conclusion that school is not a viable option for their future.

If more male school-leavers are in low income jobs where education proved to be less of a factor, then education is a less attractive option.

[Ostroeuropa]

Girls trying harder in school is a men's rights issue?

I think the only time women care is when their aren't enough boys on their "level".


another article on the issue

“Girls outperform boys in elementary school, middle school, high school, and college, and graduate school,” says Dr. Michael Thompson, a school psychologist who writes about the academic problems of boys in his book, "Raising Cain." He says that after decades of special attention, girls are soaring, while boys are stagnating.

“Girls are being told, 'Go for it, you can do it. Go for it, you can do it.' They are getting an immense amount of support,” he says. “Boys hear that the way to shine is athletically. And boys get a lot of mixed messages about what it means to be masculine and what it means to be a student. Does being a good student make you a real man? I don't think so… It is not cool.”

One of the few women I respect, Christina Hoff Sommers, has a few things to say on the matter as well.

Sommers also accuses women teachers of favoring girls over boys. She says they reward classroom behavior that girls find easier, like sitting still, and punish boys for being, well, boys.

“If boys are obstreperous and high-spirited and competitive, which most of them are, this is seen as behavior which is not tolerated. They see that as an expression of a toxic masculinity,” she says.

There's also the matter of boys having a lack of good role models. It doesn't help that a woman can throw the man out on a whim, for the most part, but since most teachers are women as well as the staff, well even if they're good teachers a lack of a good male role model can really fuck up young men.

Feminisms influence on society has conclusively resulted in female supremacy.
Women have more social mobility than men in all sectors, except the rich, where they have equality.

Congratulations. The apex fallacy in fucking action.

Screaming and shouting and demanding to be equal to an extreme minority of men. You got your wish. So now you need to shut the fuck up and let men have an equality movement.

[Fartsniffage]

Well, yes. If we assume a equal distribution of scholastic ability across the sexes then there must be a reason or reasons boys are less engaged at school.

The article gave one reason that would adequately explain it - the idea that some students are coming to the conclusion that school is not a viable option for their future.

If more male school-leavers are in low income jobs where education proved to be less of a factor, then education is a less attractive option.

And you don't think that's an attitude that should be challenged?

[Galloism]

You seem to be confusing anecdote with data again.

Someone claiming unequal marks were given for equal work is not data.

The data exists, although it's not as simple as often portrayed.

in short, teachers often mark up or mark down students based on nonacademic reasons, and boys who conform to female student expectations get a bonus, while those who are more stereotypically male get graded more harshly.

[Ostroeuropa]

Girls trying harder in school is a men's rights issue?

Well, yes. If we assume a equal distribution of scholastic ability across the sexes then there must be a reason or reasons boys are less engaged at school.

Demonization of males in society, rampant sexism against their gender in schools, disparate impacts of policies, the destruction of positive male role models in culture.

Basically feminism.

[Grave_n_idle]

That's pretty sexist of you. As usual, it's a result of your ignorance of mens issues.

The article says boys are scoring lower in exams, not that they are being unfairly marked for equal work.

I did fine at school, despite being a boy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/02 ... 81236.html

The article about the study has a misleading title, but the article itself seems to be a 'study' of the grades that students believe they will be given - rather than a study of the actual bias in marking.

Nowhere does it show that the marked work was of equal standard.

Maybe you meant to link to a better source?

[Haktiva]

Well, yes. If we assume a equal distribution of scholastic ability across the sexes then there must be a reason or reasons boys are less engaged at school.

Demonization of males in society, rampant sexism against their gender in schools, disparate impacts of policies, the destruction of positive male role models in culture.

Basically feminism.

to be fair, feminism didn't ruin women or whatever the fuck tradcons like to say. it just explained them.

[Ostroeuropa]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/02 ... 81236.html

The article about the study has a misleading title, but the article itself seems to be a 'study' of the grades that students believe they will be given - rather than a study of the actual bias in marking.

Nowhere does it show that the marked work was of equal standard.

Maybe you meant to link to a better source?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9782323 ... veals.html

Another one.

Coupled with this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E2%80%9C ... %9D_effect

There's literally thousands of articles on this problem of boys being marked unfairly.

[Galloism]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/02 ... 81236.html

The article about the study has a misleading title, but the article itself seems to be a 'study' of the grades that students believe they will be given - rather than a study of the actual bias in marking.

Nowhere does it show that the marked work was of equal standard.

Maybe you meant to link to a better source?

From that source:

Male students tend to bet less [money] when assessed by a female teacher than by an external examiner or by a male teacher. This is consistent with female teachers' grading practices; female teachers give lower grades to male students

Emphasis mine.

[Ostroeuropa]

Demonization of males in society, rampant sexism against their gender in schools, disparate impacts of policies, the destruction of positive male role models in culture.

Basically feminism.

to be fair, feminism didn't ruin women or whatever the fuck tradcons like to say. it just explained them.

Only gynocentric women.
But yes, I agree with your sentiments. I cannot tolerate them either.