The NS Mens Rights Thread

[Val Halla]

Thankyou Reploid.
(And Luna! I see you there, being invisible now.)

Also, transphobia. Really manly.

Yeh.

I should have put in italics. Ah well.

I am curious, Ostro.

Do you believe trans people reinforce gender roles?

[Ostroeuropa]

there are obvious problems (like male victims of domestic abuse/rape) in which men get screwed but i'm still not convinced there needs to be an entirely separate movement to address them and am skeptical of most organized attempts to create one because they tend to attract the "the best way to fight rape is to legalize it crowd". while people complain feminists don't care about men or speak out against extremists i haven't seen many "men's rights activists" denounce the extremists in their movements either. admittedly i don't pay much attention to the related threads so maybe you will have something to show me on that front?

Find any post by any MRA saying rape should be legalized.

[Val Halla]

there are obvious problems (like male victims of domestic abuse/rape) in which men get screwed but i'm still not convinced there needs to be an entirely separate movement to address them and am skeptical of most organized attempts to create one because they tend to attract the "the best way to fight rape is to legalize it crowd". while people complain feminists don't care about men or speak out against extremists i haven't seen many "men's rights activists" denounce the extremists in their movements either. admittedly i don't pay much attention to the related threads so maybe you will have something to show me on that front?

Find any post by any MRA saying rape should be legalized.

I think I know soeone...

[Ostroeuropa]

Thankyou Reploid.
(And Luna! I see you there, being invisible now.)




Yeh.

I should have put in italics. Ah well.

I am curious, Ostro.

Do you believe trans people reinforce gender roles?

Yeh probably. Everyone does at times. It's a de-toxification process, not a matter of being clear. I expect we're all very sexist to people who will view this era from the future and such. Or maybe we're close to finishing the process, but I doubt it. I would expect that transpeople can enforce gender roles just as much as cis men and cis women do.

[Val Halla]

I should have put in italics. Ah well.

I am curious, Ostro.

Do you believe trans people reinforce gender roles?

Yeh probably. Everyone does at times. It's a de-toxification process, not a matter of being clear. I expect we're all very sexist to people who will view this era from the future and such. Or maybe we're close to finishing the process, but I doubt it. I would expect that transpeople can enforce gender roles just as much as cis men and cis women do.

What if someone wanted to adhere to gender roles while supporting the notion that they shouldn't be inforced?

[Ostroeuropa]

Yeh probably. Everyone does at times. It's a de-toxification process, not a matter of being clear. I expect we're all very sexist to people who will view this era from the future and such. Or maybe we're close to finishing the process, but I doubt it. I would expect that transpeople can enforce gender roles just as much as cis men and cis women do.

What if someone wanted to adhere to gender roles while supporting the notion that they shouldn't be inforced?

I'd be skeptical but accepting. It would depend on the manner in which they describe their motivation to me.

I'd be wary for pampered and parasitic attitudes from a woman, domineering and tyrannical ones from a man.
I'd also be wary of feelings of vulnerability and inferiority in a woman, and of self-esteem and validation issues in the man, especially if the man seems to value his life based around other peoples perceptions and criteria for him, and doesn't seem to have any value for his life in and of itself.

I'd want to know why a man would want such a lopsided commitment, and why a woman would.

It is potentially just a character quirk, and that's fine. But the motivations would matter, because even if not enforcing them on other people, it's potentially an issue of them being in chains themselves.

[Gauthier]

Once cloning is perfected and concerns of die-off is dealt with, humanity can eliminate gender roles by literally eliminating gender. Surgical removal of gender until genetic understanding allows for growth of neuter clones!

[Galloism]

Once cloning is perfected and concerns of die-off is dealt with, humanity can eliminate gender roles by literally eliminating gender. Surgical removal of gender until genetic understanding allows for growth of neuter clones!

I hope we can multiply be dividing. I've always wanted to do that.

[New Benian Republic]

Once cloning is perfected and concerns of die-off is dealt with, humanity can eliminate gender roles by literally eliminating gender. Surgical removal of gender until genetic understanding allows for growth of neuter clones!

I hope we can multiply be dividing. I've always wanted to do that.

I refuse to lose my dick...

[Ashkera]

Once cloning is perfected and concerns of die-off is dealt with, humanity can eliminate gender roles by literally eliminating gender. Surgical removal of gender until genetic understanding allows for growth of neuter clones!

How about an alternative option that doesn't involve being the Fun Police: the explosion of physically-realized sex variants and ease of changing sex/gender configuration will effectively render gender irrelevant.

[Terminus Alpha]

Once cloning is perfected and concerns of die-off is dealt with, humanity can eliminate gender roles by literally eliminating gender. Surgical removal of gender until genetic understanding allows for growth of neuter clones!

How about an alternative option that doesn't involve being the Fun Police: the explosion of physically-realized sex variants and ease of changing sex/gender configuration will effectively render gender irrelevant.

Sounds fun.

[Fartsniffage]

I hope we can multiply be dividing. I've always wanted to do that.

I refuse to lose my dick...

You can get keyrings that make noise when you whistle. Might help with that.....

[New Benian Republic]

I refuse to lose my dick...

You can get keyrings that make noise when you whistle. Might help with that.....

I would rather die then lose my dock... Not kidding...

[Pragia]

http://www.consad.com/content/reports/G ... Report.pdf

So has the wage gap still be pushed on as a major issue?

[New Larthinia]

When I told my sister (who is a convinced feminist by the way) that this thing MRM exists, she said to me with the most innocent face "but MRM can't exist because men have power over society".

She still didn't realize how sexist she was.

[Nioya]

I'm someone for traditional gender roles. I think it is important for women to be modest and men to be chivalrous. Why should I care about men's rights?

What are some men's rights issues?

[New Larthinia]

I'm someone for traditional gender roles. I think it is important for women to be modest and men to be chivalrous. Why should I care about men's rights?

What are some men's rights issues?

Why should we care about women's rights too then, if we analyze this problem by your logic?

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm someone for traditional gender roles. I think it is important for women to be modest and men to be chivalrous. Why should I care about men's rights?

What are some men's rights issues?

There's a bunch. Men are often victims of sex crimes and the justice system is slow to recognizing it, as well as society being hostile to the notion and intolerant of men expressing their victimization.

Then there is domestic abuse. Same deal there.

The draft too.

There is the fact that men are conditioned into placing less value on their own lives than that of women.

Just those to start off with, there's many more.

[Ostroeuropa]

When I told my sister (who is a convinced feminist by the way) that this thing MRM exists, she said to me with the most innocent face "but MRM can't exist because men have power over society".

She still didn't realize how sexist she was.

Tried explaining to her?

[New Larthinia]

I'm someone for traditional gender roles. I think it is important for women to be modest and men to be chivalrous. Why should I care about men's rights?

What are some men's rights issues?

There's a bunch. Men are often victims of sex crimes and the justice system is slow to recognizing it, as well as society being hostile to the notion and intolerant of men expressing their victimization.

Then there is domestic abuse. Same deal there.

The draft too.

There is the fact that men are conditioned into placing less value on their own lives than that of women.

Just those to start off with, there's many more.

And the feminists are fighting for woman supremacy without even realizing it, because they are already equal to us.

[New Larthinia]

When I told my sister (who is a convinced feminist by the way) that this thing MRM exists, she said to me with the most innocent face "but MRM can't exist because men have power over society".

She still didn't realize how sexist she was.

Tried explaining to her?

I explained to her, but she was something like "well, men lead the society so MRM is BS. Feminists is like totally needed because women are abused all around the world".

And the thing that hurts is that she is like the smartest in the family and I am the dumbest. She is so ignorant and blind to what is happening women-related that it hurts.

[Ostroeuropa]

Tried explaining to her?

I explained to her, but she was something like "well, men lead the society so MRM is BS. Feminists is like totally needed because women are abused all around the world".

And the thing that hurts is that she is like the smartest in the family and I am the dumbest.

Ask her if Racism is over because Obama is a black guy. Then ask her to explain the difference.

Point out that men often attain positions of power because they are socially coerced into it, but how they USE that power is strictly controlled by gender roles and expectations.

As another analogy, point to the queen of the UK. Ask if that makes the UK a matriarchy, even though the way the queen carries out her role is entirely decided by other people. Finally, you could ask her to just come here to talk to some MRAs maybe.

By the way, don't say you're dumb. There is no dumb. There is only levels of ignorance. We're all ignorant.

[New Larthinia]

I explained to her, but she was something like "well, men lead the society so MRM is BS. Feminists is like totally needed because women are abused all around the world".

And the thing that hurts is that she is like the smartest in the family and I am the dumbest.

Ask her if Racism is over because Obama is a black guy. Then ask her to explain the difference.

Point out that men often attain positions of power because they are socially coerced into it, but how they USE that power is strictly controlled by gender roles and expectations.

As another analogy, point to the queen of the UK. Ask if that makes the UK a matriarchy, even though the way the queen carries out her role is entirely decided by other people. Finally, you could ask her to just come here to talk to some MRAs maybe.

By the way, don't say you're dumb. There is no dumb. There is only levels of ignorance. We're all ignorant.

Thank you for the arguments. Cannot wait to close her mouth

[New Grestin]

When I told my sister (who is a convinced feminist by the way) that this thing MRM exists, she said to me with the most innocent face "but MRM can't exist because men have power over society".

She still didn't realize how sexist she was.

I think the problem was that, at least in the Western world, feminism doesn't really have a lot else to fight. Women are pretty damned equal to men in most places and in the places they aren't, that's probably going to change eventually.

But, without a monster to slay, a movement loses steam and dies, and since Feminism can't lose steam, you get the idea that men control everything.

At least, that's the only way I've been able to rationalize it.

[Ostroeuropa]

When I told my sister (who is a convinced feminist by the way) that this thing MRM exists, she said to me with the most innocent face "but MRM can't exist because men have power over society".

She still didn't realize how sexist she was.

I think the problem was that, at least in the Western world, feminism doesn't really have a lot else to fight. Women are pretty damned equal to men in most places and in the places they aren't, that's probably going to change eventually.

But, without a monster to slay, a movement loses steam and dies, and since Feminism can't lose steam, you get the idea that men control everything.

At least, that's the only way I've been able to rationalize it.

It's a totalizing ideology. Symptomatic of religions and cults.

This is why feminists blame things on patriarchy that other feminists have caused. Everything is proof of their delusional worldview.