Neutraligon wrote:Camicon wrote:And until someone takes a scalpel to it and carves out what exactly does and does not belong to the various flavours of "feminism", I will continue to hold them all under the banner of the majority opinion.
Can you prove that the majority of feminists feel the way you claim they do? There is a reason we use adjectives to describe things, in particular there are adjectives that can be used to describe which brand of feminism you are talking about.
The effects of the feminist movement on society are known.
Who gives a fuck if it's a majority or not.
Let's say a gang of thugs like the Crips went around beating the shit into people, and that's pretty much all they actually get up to and effect society with.
Then you've got someone saying they are a Crip too, but a moderate who thinks they should do some charity work instead.
Would we sit around debating whether or not we can call the Crips a fucking menace to society just in case the majority aren't insane?
It's fucking pointless. It doesn't matter.
It need to be destroyed either way, and if you're running around a battlefield wearing the enemy colors, I don't give a shit if you get shot and then whine about being a civilian.
Don't dress up as the enemy. You are providing cover for menaces to society. Stop it, or stop whining when you get shot along with them.
Identifying as a feminist means you have invited scorn, ridicule, contempt, and condescension to yourself, because the actual effect of feminism is discriminatory and hateful.
Whether or not you agree with that view, it's important to understand that it's a valid view to have given the circumstances as they currently are.
That in itself, shows that the feminism movement is fucked.
I have zero empathy for """"Moderate"""" feminists who get verbal abuse and vitriol from people.
Don't openly identify as a sexist bigot, then.
People who openly identify as weird segregation era racists get laughed at because they aren't currently fucking over everybody.
Feminists are. So identifying as one of the sources of massive problems in society is going to get you shit.
That's before you get into the actual, practical effects of why identifying as a feminist means you are useless to mens issues, and the mere act of doing it causes sexism against men to persist.
This isn't a case of a movement having some nutters.
It's the case of the nutters running the movement and having institutional power. It's qualitively different. You can't point to morons in the MRM to counter that point. They aren't a menace to society.