The NS Mens Rights Thread

[Ostroeuropa]

I agree it's not terrible, even if so, provided the consent is genuine.
Though, at that point, we might be stuck when trying to come up with an argument why trying to indoctrinate people into straight sex is wrong.
Best to just do nothing and say it's all acceptable.

Well, I think that the problem here is that when we speak of a subject like "indoctrination' which we all agree is wrong, there's a hidden implication that indoctrination actually happens.

In the Modern Western world, this hidden implication is that homosexual parenting and homosexuality in public is tantamount to "indoctrination", which isn't actually the case.

I agree, to the contrary, the numerous incidents of """"Straight""""" pastors and such going gay heavily suggests that indoctrination into straightness happens, particularly in religious communities.

I don't know of any message that insists people must be gay or bisexual lest they be terrible people.

Except perhaps Tumblr.

[Cannabis Islands]

I mean there was this idea that a man had to be heterosexual to be a "real man".

Did it ever worry you, or did you just think it was bollocks?

It did for a while. Especially in Catholic school.

[Cannabis Islands]

Well, I think that the problem here is that when we speak of a subject like "indoctrination' which we all agree is wrong, there's a hidden implication that indoctrination actually happens.

In the Modern Western world, this hidden implication is that homosexual parenting and homosexuality in public is tantamount to "indoctrination", which isn't actually the case.

I agree, to the contrary, the numerous incidents of """"Straight""""" pastors and such going gay heavily suggests that indoctrination into straightness happens, particularly in religious communities.

I don't know of any message that insists people must be gay or bisexual lest they be terrible people.

Except perhaps Tumblr.

I might start a Tumblr blog, just to shake things up a bit.

[Cankristia]

Well, I think that the problem here is that when we speak of a subject like "indoctrination' which we all agree is wrong, there's a hidden implication that indoctrination actually happens.

In the Modern Western world, this hidden implication is that homosexual parenting and homosexuality in public is tantamount to "indoctrination", which isn't actually the case.

I agree, to the contrary, the numerous incidents of """"Straight""""" pastors and such going gay heavily suggests that indoctrination into straightness happens, particularly in religious communities.

I don't know of any message that insists people must be gay or bisexual lest they be terrible people.

Except perhaps Tumblr.

I think on Tumblr, what really happens is that kids who are usually on the lower end of the teenage spectrum find a safe place to vent a feeling that they would dismiss as irrational once they've calmed down, and then straight people get all up in arms about it, and then others come to the venting persons defense, and get tired of being emotionally shut down.

It's very much a hot-blooded emotional thing, not an actual ideology that gay/bi people on tumblr hold.

[Cankristia]

I agree, to the contrary, the numerous incidents of """"Straight""""" pastors and such going gay heavily suggests that indoctrination into straightness happens, particularly in religious communities.

I don't know of any message that insists people must be gay or bisexual lest they be terrible people.

Except perhaps Tumblr.

I might start a Tumblr blog, just to shake things up a bit.

Believe me, you wouldn't be the first.

Honestly "anti-feminists" outnumber radfems at this point. The only successful anti-feminists blogs are the ones that go out of their way to find feminists or other oppressed people with like 30 followers making bad posts, and then blow them out of proportion.

Ironically, what ends up happening is that anti-feminists give radfems a much larger audience than they would otherwise have.

[The Princes of the Universe]

I agree, to the contrary, the numerous incidents of """"Straight""""" pastors and such going gay heavily suggests that indoctrination into straightness happens, particularly in religious communities.
I don't know of any message that insists people must be gay or bisexual lest they be terrible people.
Except perhaps Tumblr.

I think on Tumblr, what really happens is that kids who are usually on the lower end of the teenage spectrum find a safe place to vent a feeling that they would dismiss as irrational once they've calmed down, and then straight people get all up in arms about it, and then others come to the venting persons defense, and get tired of being emotionally shut down.
It's very much a hot-blooded emotional thing, not an actual ideology that gay/bi people on tumblr hold.

I don't buy the italicised for a millisecond.

[Cannabis Islands]

I think on Tumblr, what really happens is that kids who are usually on the lower end of the teenage spectrum find a safe place to vent a feeling that they would dismiss as irrational once they've calmed down, and then straight people get all up in arms about it, and then others come to the venting persons defense, and get tired of being emotionally shut down.
It's very much a hot-blooded emotional thing, not an actual ideology that gay/bi people on tumblr hold.

I don't buy the italicised for a millisecond.

I know Lil Bub, when I was a young teen and going trough my radical gay activist phase, I hated straight people. If Tumblr was around then, I would join.

[The Princes of the Universe]

I don't buy the italicised for a millisecond.

I know Lil Bub, when I was a young teen and going trough my radical gay activist phase, I hated straight people. If Tumblr was around then, I would join.

I used to be a bit more firebrand than I am now (which is odd considering how paranoid I was and, to a somewhat lesser extent, still am about being outed), but at no point did I ever hate like Tumblr does.

[Cannabis Islands]

I know Lil Bub, when I was a young teen and going trough my radical gay activist phase, I hated straight people. If Tumblr was around then, I would join.

I used to be a bit more firebrand than I am now (which is odd considering how paranoid I was and, to a somewhat lesser extent, still am about being outed), but at no point did I ever hate like Tumblr does.

Yeah, I grew up hearing gay people were the worst, them and the Muslims. And I was ignorant about a lot of things back then.

[Tahar Joblis]

I agree it's not terrible, even if so, provided the consent is genuine.
Though, at that point, we might be stuck when trying to come up with an argument why trying to indoctrinate people into straight sex is wrong.
Best to just do nothing and say it's all acceptable.

Well, I think that the problem here is that when we speak of a subject like "indoctrination' which we all agree is wrong, there's a hidden implication that indoctrination actually happens.

In the Modern Western world, this hidden implication is that homosexual parenting and homosexuality in public is tantamount to "indoctrination", which isn't actually the case.

I expect there are parents who will exert pressure on their kids - either a little or a lot - to express some particular sexuality, including (now that it is sufficiently mainstream in some communities) homosexuality. Remember the flap over this article? We had a long and contentious thread about it.

[The Cobalt Sky]

I've never seen someone derail an entire thread in just 7 words. Nice try, though.

Well, the only reason you are right is that your post was requiredn Sadly for you and the thread's overall quality, this is also what makes you wrong.

Uh, could you say that again?

Next time, try Hirota's less "point scoring" approach

No. You seriously think I'm going to change the way I post just because you're upset?

even if it means you don't get to make a condescending and snappy reply

Look at the pot calling the kettle black. Your reply to mine may not be snappy, but you're quite condescending.

because, hey, that is a style of response which won't create the mountain you did.

It was hardly a mountain. It involved two other posters, and the thread is back on track anyways, so calm down.

And here I am making said mountain higher in hope that next time the mature methods of Hirota are followed.

Again, condescending. You're not going to convince me to change the way I post with that tone. I haven't seen Hirota complaining about it, so none of this really matters anyway.

[Ostroeuropa]

Another incident of domestic violence went viral today, thanks to the MRM. the one where she sets his crotch on fire while he slept.
No news source that i've seen calls it DV. The same problem often turns up for women raping men.

[Haktiva]

Another incident of domestic violence went viral today, thanks to the MRM. the one where she sets his crotch on fire while he slept.
No news source that i've seen calls it DV. The same problem often turns up for women raping men.

what would you say causes this kind of thing to be brushed under the rug? Male ego or gynocentrism? Granted you could say they're both related, but I think the male ego can be largely independent of female wants and needs in such cases.

[Alyakia]

Another incident of domestic violence went viral today, thanks to the MRM. the one where she sets his crotch on fire while he slept.
No news source that i've seen calls it DV. The same problem often turns up for women raping men.

then what do they call it?

[The Serbian Empire]

Another incident of domestic violence went viral today, thanks to the MRM. the one where she sets his crotch on fire while he slept.
No news source that i've seen calls it DV. The same problem often turns up for women raping men.

what would you say causes this kind of thing to be brushed under the rug? Male ego or gynocentrism? Granted you could say they're both related, but I think the male ego can be largely independent of female wants and needs in such cases.

It's gynocentrism, the same thing that makes TERFs not consider me as female until I'm post-op if at all.

[ErVaReAn rEpUbLiC]

17 Countries Where Women Are the Majority of Wage-Earners.

[Gauthier]

17 Countries Where Women Are the Majority of Wage-Earners.

It doesn't even list the jobs that the women work in, so it could be anything.

[ErVaReAn rEpUbLiC]

17 Countries Where Women Are the Majority of Wage-Earners.

It doesn't even list the jobs that the women work in, so it could be anything.

Given that, until now, employment to population ratios have been higher among men in virtually every country, this was worth bringing up. In the US, 65.4% of men aged 16 and over are employed, and among women aged 16 and over just 53.7% are in employment.

[Alyakia]

17 Countries Where Women Are the Majority of Wage-Earners.

are they going to be mostly places i wouldn't want to live

[Tahar Joblis]

17 Countries Where Women Are the Majority of Wage-Earners.

are they going to be mostly places i wouldn't want to live

It's an interesting assortment of countries. There is one sort of natural "group" of adjacent states - the Baltic states and Belarus:
Lithuania, Latvia, Belarus, Estonia, and Finland
Then a scattering of tiny "resort" islands with tourism based economies:
Guadeloupe, the Bahamas, Seychelles, Barbados, Antigua and Barbados, Martinique
Then you have a pretty miscellaneous collection of other countries - three are island countries, actually, so there is a bit of an island pattern going on here:
Cyprus, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Moldova(!), and Kazakhstan(!)

Kazakhstan is pretty completely unexpected from my perspective. Moldova is very small and highly disrupted, and Israel is a bit of an odd duck as countries go. Figure that they're on the list for idiosyncratic factors very particular to them, and you have a pattern of relatively small island countries & Baltic-area states.

Interestingly - and fitting with the pattern of tourism-dependent islands - labor force participation is pretty close to even among male and female Hawaiians, which is quite different from the national average.

[Haktiva]

what would you say causes this kind of thing to be brushed under the rug? Male ego or gynocentrism? Granted you could say they're both related, but I think the male ego can be largely independent of female wants and needs in such cases.

It's gynocentrism, the same thing that makes TERFs not consider me as female until I'm post-op if at all.

TERF?

[Fartsniffage]

It's gynocentrism, the same thing that makes TERFs not consider me as female until I'm post-op if at all.

TERF?

Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist.

[Haktiva]

Another incident of domestic violence went viral today, thanks to the MRM. the one where she sets his crotch on fire while he slept.
No news source that i've seen calls it DV. The same problem often turns up for women raping men.

then what do they call it?

male privilege

[Alyakia]

then what do they call it?

male privilege

no they don't

oh i see you were doing a funny haha

[Haktiva]

TERF?

Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist.

I thought it was another word for tradcons.

but since we're talking about radfems, it could be a synonym to land whales, if I might allow myself a tasteless joke.