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Why do we exist?

Postby White Sox » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:27 pm

What is it about humans? Humans, animals that wander the earth, that supposedly dominate all other animals, animals that have reached the unfathomable ends of the universe. We are a confusing species. Why are we here, what has put us here, were did everything that exists in our universe and our own line of logic come from to an unfathomable ending. We look at the Earth for too long, we no longer question its reality as an actual question amongst the very answer. We look at the universe as much as we can, but we meticulously inspect the immersive systems of stars and planets, peruse or simply observe the supernovas, only to find nothing.

The answer, is much more deeper. It is within us, our very selves and our consciousness.

The world is something that to us, is a mass of sensations, and we lack seeing the law uphoning one's world, and to be removed, would allow for us, our worlds, to become nothing.

So, now, it is time for the questions.

How do you think we "exist"? Do we simply perceive it? Or is it something that we already know, or something that has been made that we have not found yet? Is our purpose in one's higher being? Have they created us, out conscious, only for us to play with sticks and stones and find what they were put on the world for a reason? Or not?

In my own opinion, I believe we perceive ourselves in our own independent fashions, on this world as an interpretation for our consciousness to rest, to act out the monotony of life in a physical body.
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Postby Empire of Zeeland » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:35 pm

We exist because of evolution.
A god can't exist if many world wars happen and other crimes against humanity.

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Postby Bentrada » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:36 pm

We exist because life evolved on this rather standard planet and eventually a set of events billions of years later lead to the evolution of an animal intelligent enough to ask these questions.

At least, that's how it seems.

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Postby LA Cheese » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:36 pm

ok, well i would say that when addressing a philosophical question, we should be careful to clearly define our terms, premises, and logical formu---fuck it.

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Postby LA Cheese » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:38 pm

Empire of Zeeland wrote:We exist because of evolution.


this is miconceptualization. the question is about teleology, not the physical laws/conditions that have led us to exist. it's not about "we are" as much as it is "whence and wither?".

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Postby Bentrada » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:38 pm

Empire of Zeeland wrote:We exist because of evolution.
A god can't exist if many world wars happen and other crimes against humanity.


I think a god can still exist despite the actions of humans.

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Postby White Sox » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:38 pm

Empire of Zeeland wrote:We exist because of evolution.
A god can't exist if many world wars happen and other crimes against humanity.

A god does not have to be a god of loving, and our physical bodies, nor our consciousness, can be considered innocent, per our own thinking of innocence when compared to that of this "god".
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Postby Vespalian Federation » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:39 pm

I dunno.
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Postby LA Cheese » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:40 pm

Bentrada wrote:
Empire of Zeeland wrote:We exist because of evolution.
A god can't exist if many world wars happen and other crimes against humanity.


I think a god can still exist despite the actions of humans.



a god can still exist even with the worst formulation of the problem of evil used against him. argument from evil without morally sufficient reasons is much more convincing. there's a quentin smith (philosopher) paper about it that got published when he still bothered to publish.

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Postby Bentrada » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:40 pm

Vespalian Federation wrote:I dunno.


This is the most accurate answer.

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Postby White Sox » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:41 pm

Bentrada wrote:We exist because life evolved on this rather standard planet and eventually a set of events billions of years later lead to the evolution of an animal intelligent enough to ask these questions.

At least, that's how it seems.

Less physical and and biological change, more of a physiological view at it. Why do we exist? Is it god that has created us, or at least our lives that we view through; or is it simply ourselves through perceiving atoms and history, and physical-biological changes as well to our view.
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Postby Empire of Zeeland » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:41 pm

LA Cheese wrote:
Bentrada wrote:
I think a god can still exist despite the actions of humans.



a god can still exist even with the worst formulation of the problem of evil used against him. argument from evil without morally sufficient reasons is much more convincing. there's a quentin smith (philosopher) paper about it that got published when he still bothered to publish.

So a god that does not intervene?

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Postby The Andromeda Confederation » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:41 pm

We exist for two, and probably only two reasons:

1. Either a creator god created us for its own amusement, a god that doesn't really care what genocide we go through, as long as it chuckles at the end of the "movie of pain."

Or

2. Because a long and complicated thing occured and through billions of years of creation and destruction, evolution and devolution, and for some reason evolution plopped our ugly asses into the mix.

Both ideas are pretty bad. This is why people turn to fatalism.
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Postby LA Cheese » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:41 pm

Bentrada wrote:
Vespalian Federation wrote:I dunno.


This is the most accurate answer.



a misconception of philosophy is that it seeks definite answers.

it's a matter of framing questions properly and then ruling out impossible answers, comparing and contrasting what's left.

even the most aspiring of metaphysicians could only ever say "perhaps we should look at this way given the failure of opposing systems".

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Postby LA Cheese » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:42 pm

The Andromeda Confederation wrote:We exist for two, and probably only two reasons:

1. Either a creator god created us for its own amusement, a god that doesn't really care what genocide we go through, as long as it chuckles at the end of the "movie of pain."

Or

2. Because a long and complicated thing occured and through billions of years of creation and destruction, evolution and devolution, and for some reason evolution plopped our ugly asses into the mix.

Both ideas are pretty bad. This is why people turn to fatalism.


yes. these are definitely the only two answers to this question ever conceived in the history of human thought! :p

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Postby Lowell Leber » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:42 pm

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Postby Empire of Zeeland » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:42 pm

You should ask Morgan Freeman on his show trough the wormhole.

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Re: Why do we exist

Postby White Sox » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:42 pm

Empire of Zeeland wrote:
LA Cheese wrote:

a god can still exist even with the worst formulation of the problem of evil used against him. argument from evil without morally sufficient reasons is much more convincing. there's a quentin smith (philosopher) paper about it that got published when he still bothered to publish.

So a god that does not intervene?

A god is not required to intervene should a rupture of our own morality happen. All of our moralities are different on how we view things, and why we view them.
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Postby Aidannadia » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:43 pm

We exist because we want to.
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Postby White Sox » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:43 pm

Lowell Leber wrote:To fight and fornicate.

And what our our consciousness?
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Postby LA Cheese » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:44 pm

Empire of Zeeland wrote:
LA Cheese wrote:

a god can still exist even with the worst formulation of the problem of evil used against him. argument from evil without morally sufficient reasons is much more convincing. there's a quentin smith (philosopher) paper about it that got published when he still bothered to publish.

So a god that does not intervene?



let me clarify.

the poster was using the classic argument from evil--that the existence of evil is logically (or abductively) inconsistent with the existence of god. i was suggesting that a much better argument from evil is that of natural evil.

but this thread ain't about that.

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Postby The Andromeda Confederation » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:45 pm

LA Cheese wrote:
The Andromeda Confederation wrote:We exist for two, and probably only two reasons:

1. Either a creator god created us for its own amusement, a god that doesn't really care what genocide we go through, as long as it chuckles at the end of the "movie of pain."

Or

2. Because a long and complicated thing occured and through billions of years of creation and destruction, evolution and devolution, and for some reason evolution plopped our ugly asses into the mix.

Both ideas are pretty bad. This is why people turn to fatalism.


yes. these are definitely the only two answers to this question ever conceived in the history of human thought! :p


Ah, there's probably a better one. You know I'm bored when I crawl into NSG.

But still, those are the two ideas in my head. Which means there's a third, and most likely true, option.
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Postby Planita » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:45 pm

By random, one out of a trillion, happenstance.

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Postby Bentrada » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:45 pm

White Sox wrote:
Bentrada wrote:We exist because life evolved on this rather standard planet and eventually a set of events billions of years later lead to the evolution of an animal intelligent enough to ask these questions.

At least, that's how it seems.

Less physical and and biological change, more of a physiological view at it. Why do we exist? Is it god that has created us, or at least our lives that we view through; or is it simply ourselves through perceiving atoms and history, and physical-biological changes as well to our view.


Well, we have 21 billion neurons in our cerebral cortex which plays a key role in memory, attention, perception, awareness, thought, language, and consciousness which may very well enable us to ask these questions.
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Re: Why do we exist

Postby White Sox » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:45 pm

Aidannadia wrote:We exist because we want to.

Less want and more have. It's sort of a mix. We exist because we both want to, and because we know what to "exist" means, at least in the tiniest sense.
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