Ireland rejects extradition to US as prison inhumane

[Scyobayrynn]

Poverty, mainly. Gang life is a good way to make money when there are literally no jobs to be found and your school is so shitty you've got next to no chance of going beyond middle or high school.

Social pressure and a desire to "belong" is another big aspect.

No, gang life is a shitty way to make money. Drug dealers make a few bucks an hour because gang distributors are usually dicks. You usually make more money as an independent dealer, but then you don't have homies, only addicts. I got this from two ex-gangbangers in California, so it may not be true where you live.

The latter is the main reason.

Culture varies from place to place region to region.
If youre in a political area, then you affiliate or you don't do business. That's not the same as joining, at least not where I live.
Im affiliated, but Im not a member of anything...not to mention Im too fucking old for that shit actually.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Was less bait, and more recognition that you would know what it meant.
Nothing to be proven here.
Besides, neither even know what city the other is in, its not really a thing most people would get dressed up over.

I seriously doubt many folks as him about his sig, on NS.

Fair enough, at least someone finally got it

Poverty, mainly. Gang life is a good way to make money when there are literally no jobs to be found and your school is so shitty you've got next to no chance of going beyond middle or high school.

Social pressure and a desire to "belong" is another big aspect.

No, gang life is a shitty way to make money. Drug dealers make a few bucks an hour because gang distributors are usually dicks. You usually make more money as an independent dealer, but then you don't have homies, only addicts. I got this from two ex-gangbangers in California, so it may not be true where you live.

The latter is the main reason.

Well that varies from place to place and depends on a lot on the group you're with, but some money is better than no money right?

[Scyobayrynn]

Not to mention if youre marked and waving flags Im not saying what I posted.
I dont actually have the right.
Edit: But oooOOOWEEE them days were the days.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Not to mention if youre marked and waving flags Im not saying what I posted.
I dont actually have the right.
Edit: But oooOOOWEEE them days were the days.

*shrugs*

*thinks a minute*

*shrugs again*

I'm not gonna abide by shit like that on the internet. Suffice it to say I don't play around IRL.

[Scyobayrynn]

Not to mention if youre marked and waving flags Im not saying what I posted.
I dont actually have the right.
Edit: But oooOOOWEEE them days were the days.

*shrugs*

*thinks a minute*

*shrugs again*

I'm not gonna abide by shit like that on the internet. Suffice it to say I don't play around IRL.

Even if I am only affiliated, its lets a body know.
But on the street, if I said ... .. ... that would be a claim I cant make. Which would have in more trouble with people than if I just pissed a few folks off.
5 and 6 is one thing, the other is another.

[Atlanticatia]

Good on you, Ireland.

[Caracasus]

Well yeah. This is basically Ireland saying to the US that their philosophies concerning crime and punishment are so different that in this instance they do not believe that the US will respect the human rights of the accused, as Ireland interprets them, right?

That's a pretty fair comment when you're dealing with a nation that was perfectly OK with detaining suspects under very questionable justification and essentially removing their human rights, going against international law. The US prison system is also notorious in Europe at least for being utterly dire in relation to what America could provide given its position as a world superpower.

America may have a lot going for it but it seriously needs to take a good, hard look at some pretty serious social problems it has. And as a disclaimer, I'm not in any way stating the country I come from has got it right by a long shot.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Even if I am only affiliated, its lets a body know.
But on the street, if I said ... .. ... that would be a claim I cant make. Which would have in more trouble with people than if I just pissed a few folks off.
5 and 6 is one thing, the other is another.

I kinda learned my lesson when I owed my homie's girl forty bucks for something and was avoiding paying her back (since I was fucking broke and jobless).

Apparently he (from prison) had guys looking for me for at least a couple weeks before I "found" the money. *shrugs*

Not good shit to play around with. Luckily it's all good now.

[Scyobayrynn]

Yeah, I had gotten questions about my tattoos in jail.
You have to be a man about it, but when Im looking at a tattoo of the news helicopter that was looking for the guy who was asking me...not a good feeling.
And yes, he had his arrest scene tattoo'd on him.

[Cosedonia]

IRA! IRA! IRA! IR-oh.. wrong thread.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Yeah, I had gotten questions about my tattoos in jail.
You have to be a man about it, but when Im looking at a tattoo of the news helicopter that was looking for the guy who was asking me...not a good feeling.
And yes, he had his arrest scene tattoo'd on him.

That's quite possibly the most badass thing I've ever heard of.

Now I know what my next paycheck's going toward.

[The Ben Boys]

No, gang life is a shitty way to make money. Drug dealers make a few bucks an hour because gang distributors are usually dicks. You usually make more money as an independent dealer, but then you don't have homies, only addicts. I got this from two ex-gangbangers in California, so it may not be true where you live.

The latter is the main reason.

As opposed to just being broke? Bullshit.

When minimum wage pays more, or even working independently, then it's better than living at home. Oddly enough, that's why most gangbangers live with their moms rather than lose their sense of companionship.

EDIT: So the question is how do their moms get money?

[Scyobayrynn]

Yeah, I had gotten questions about my tattoos in jail.
You have to be a man about it, but when Im looking at a tattoo of the news helicopter that was looking for the guy who was asking me...not a good feeling.
And yes, he had his arrest scene tattoo'd on him.

That's quite possibly the most badass thing I've ever heard of.

Now I know what my next paycheck's going toward.

Dude had his face inked, his front teeth were silver, not a grill, all caps.
His chest was all political and his back was the city skyline with news helicopter, the squad cars, everything.
Then underneath the whole scene was the word "Muderer".

I have no desire to see him ever in my life again. He was older than me, fatter in the gut, skinnier in the arms always had a smile and eyes that let you know you better keep him smiling.

I was a joke telling motherfucker.

[Ifreann]

This thread has gotten strange...

[Byzantium Imperial]

This thread has gotten strange...

Well we pretty much beat up the topic, threw it in solitary confinement and executed it.

[Napkiraly]

Poverty, mainly. Gang life is a good way to make money when there are literally no jobs to be found and your school is so shitty you've got next to no chance of going beyond middle or high school.

Social pressure and a desire to "belong" is another big aspect.

No, gang life is a shitty way to make money. Drug dealers make a few bucks an hour because gang distributors are usually dicks. You usually make more money as an independent dealer, but then you don't have homies, only addicts. I got this from two ex-gangbangers in California, so it may not be true where you live.

The latter is the main reason.

Well low level dealers anyway. Once you start rising and controlling more and more dealers and eventually becoming a distributor you can get paid quite a bit. Issue is so few top positions, plenty o' gangbangers that which leads to upticks in violence both inter and intra groups. Hence, "Get rich or die tryin".

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I dunno, we don't really rehabilitate people so it would be awfully hard to measure that.

My point is you can't rehabilitate criminals.

Valjean! At last! We see each other plain!

>What is Norway

[Prussia-Steinbach]

This thread has gotten strange...

*shrugs* Who knew so many Generalites had a criminal background.

[Chestaan]

Why would we want to?

America is better than the murderous, vengeful rage of dissatisfied fanatics. If we weren't, what would be the point in supporting us against them?

That does not mean that they should be treated as anything but criminals. They European way, such as it is, is too "enlightened." There must be some suffering. Otherwise what would be the point of punishment?

And how's all that pain and suffering working out for you guys? Clearly our way is stupid, what with our crime rates way lower than that of the US...

[Kazarogkai]

And anyway, surely one solution would be to look at the problems that cause crime in the first place. If gangs are a problem, what factors drive the youths towards gang culture?

Poverty, mainly. Gang life is a good way to make money when there are literally no jobs to be found and your school is so shitty you've got next to no chance of going beyond middle or high school.

Social pressure and a desire to "belong" is another big aspect.

Hence why I suggest stronger social welfare projects like a citizens dividend and negative income, but also a stronger push for education to help truly combat the issues related towards poverty. Making public colleges tuition free and funded via general taxation would be a good step in the right direction.

[Kazarogkai]

That does not mean that they should be treated as anything but criminals. They European way, such as it is, is too "enlightened." There must be some suffering. Otherwise what would be the point of punishment?

And how's all that pain and suffering working out for you guys? Clearly our way is stupid, what with our crime rates way lower than that of the US...

To be fair, american crime rates are going down quite substantially. The difference between now and say the 1970s is quite massive if you look at the numbers.

American overall crime levels are about the same as Ireland:

USA: 55.84
Ireland: 56.68

Source:
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-inf ... ates/Crime

[Atomic Utopia]

Why would we want to?

America is better than the murderous, vengeful rage of dissatisfied fanatics. If we weren't, what would be the point in supporting us against them?

That does not mean that they should be treated as anything but criminals. They European way, such as it is, is too "enlightened." There must be some suffering. Otherwise what would be the point of punishment?

Who cares about suffering (to a point, you do not want people to suffer in excess), the goal of a prison is to rehabilitate people who have committed crimes and make them productive members of society again. Nothing else. And it just so happens that the european model is quite efficient, more effective than the US one.

The point of punishment is not retribution, but making the person being punished not do it again and do something productive in the place of crime.

[Imperializt Russia]

Why would we want to?

America is better than the murderous, vengeful rage of dissatisfied fanatics. If we weren't, what would be the point in supporting us against them?

That does not mean that they should be treated as anything but criminals. They European way, such as it is, is too "enlightened." There must be some suffering. Otherwise what would be the point of punishment?

There isn't a point to punishment. It fails to achieve anything.

[Ifreann]

That does not mean that they should be treated as anything but criminals. They European way, such as it is, is too "enlightened." There must be some suffering. Otherwise what would be the point of punishment?

There isn't a point to punishment. It fails to achieve anything.

Giving violent people boners isn't an achievement?

[Imperializt Russia]

There isn't a point to punishment. It fails to achieve anything.

Giving violent people boners isn't an achievement?

It's really just an occurrence.