Ireland rejects extradition to US as prison inhumane

[Ifreann]

You want to deport three million people in an effort to convince Ireland to reinstitute the death penalty.

Which they can't do anyway because they're an EU member state.

And a member of the Council of Europe.

[Autonomous Titoists]

Rehabilitation of murderers? I would not want to take any chances with that. Perhaps you are comfortable sacrificing innocent persons for the sake of your liberal ideals. I am not comfortable with that.

You realize murderers in the US regularly get under 10 years, but with no attemp to rehabilitate.

Not to mention all our murdering friends on capitol hill that don't even get bothered for what they did. And all the fancy people who show up on a big ass screen across the country, they can't get arrested for shit, look at Cosby! He raped people and he's scot free.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Which they can't do anyway because they're an EU member state.

And a member of the Council of Europe.

And Ireland.

[Ifreann]

And a member of the Council of Europe.

And Ireland.

It's really all stacked against the death penalty, here.

[Autonomous Titoists]

And Ireland.

It's really all stacked against the death penalty, here.

Well, the Irish death penalty is pretty much put in a trench and shot when thrown against all that.

[Vassenor]

And anyway, surely one solution would be to look at the problems that cause crime in the first place. If gangs are a problem, what factors drive the youths towards gang culture?

[Scyobayrynn]

I'm from a city with an extremely high crime rate, and I have to ask what post-apocalyptic dystopia you guys live in with all these gangs that keep being brought up?

[Vassenor]

I'm from a city with an extremely high crime rate, and I have to ask what post-apocalyptic dystopia you guys live in with all these gangs that keep being brought up?

Well apparently the largest problem America is facing is Mexican Immigrants forming Narco-Gangs. Or something.

[Ifreann]

I'm from a city with an extremely high crime rate, and I have to ask what post-apocalyptic dystopia you guys live in with all these gangs that keep being brought up?

The Capitol Wasteland?

[Scyobayrynn]

I'm from a city with an extremely high crime rate, and I have to ask what post-apocalyptic dystopia you guys live in with all these gangs that keep being brought up?

The Capitol Wasteland?

Murder City.

[The Ben Boys]

And anyway, surely one solution would be to look at the problems that cause crime in the first place. If gangs are a problem, what factors drive the youths towards gang culture?

The urge for acceptance is usually the most diagnosed (for good reason), but that can be filled by a stable family. A bigger reason can be companionship, which is why sports have traditionally been a way for kids to get out of gangs, and in some high schools (such as the one I attended) the reason why the administration supports so many team practices after school and on weekends.

[Vassenor]

And anyway, surely one solution would be to look at the problems that cause crime in the first place. If gangs are a problem, what factors drive the youths towards gang culture?

The urge for acceptance is usually the most diagnosed (for good reason), but that can be filled by a stable family. A bigger reason can be companionship, which is why sports have traditionally been a way for kids to get out of gangs, and in some high schools (such as the one I attended) the reason why the administration supports so many team practices after school and on weekends.

Yeah, if I'd had my lecture notes with me when I made that post I'd probably have said stuff like that. But they're all in a storage crate right now and I can't be bothered to go find them.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Good.

I mean, fuck the terrorist too.

But I'm glad the US is being held more accountable for the sorry, inhumane state of its prison system.

[Rangila]

Why does a terror suspect deserve to be treated humanely?

Oh yes, because "they're people too" or "we can't sink to their level". Yes we can.

Why do you or anybody else deserve to be treated humanely? You can't just draw arbitrary lines on who does and who does not have rights. Otherwise we could say why do thieves deserve to be treated humanely? Or jay-walkers? Or even those that have differing political beliefs to the mainstream?

Because I'm not a dirty fucking terrorist.

I'd be warned by the mods if I expressed what I'd do should this guy he convicted. I'd do terrible things.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

And anyway, surely one solution would be to look at the problems that cause crime in the first place. If gangs are a problem, what factors drive the youths towards gang culture?

Poverty, mainly. Gang life is a good way to make money when there are literally no jobs to be found and your school is so shitty you've got next to no chance of going beyond middle or high school.

Social pressure and a desire to "belong" is another big aspect.

[Washington Resistance Army]

And anyway, surely one solution would be to look at the problems that cause crime in the first place. If gangs are a problem, what factors drive the youths towards gang culture?

Lots of things drove me to it. It provided a family I didn't really have, the potential to makes lots of money, my best friend joined up before I did, it gave me some structure to my life.

[Scyobayrynn]

Five up
Six down
All is Well.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Five up
Six down
All is Well.

I have a feeling WRA's not gonna take kindly to this.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Five up
Six down
All is Well.

I have a feeling WRA's not gonna take kindly to this.

Eh, I've got better things to do than take bait on NSG. I'm not looking to get banned right now.

Besides, words are just words.

[The Ben Boys]

And anyway, surely one solution would be to look at the problems that cause crime in the first place. If gangs are a problem, what factors drive the youths towards gang culture?

Poverty, mainly. Gang life is a good way to make money when there are literally no jobs to be found and your school is so shitty you've got next to no chance of going beyond middle or high school.

Social pressure and a desire to "belong" is another big aspect.

No, gang life is a shitty way to make money. Drug dealers make a few bucks an hour because gang distributors are usually dicks. You usually make more money as an independent dealer, but then you don't have homies, only addicts. I got this from two ex-gangbangers in California, so it may not be true where you live.

The latter is the main reason.

[Scyobayrynn]

Was less bait, and more recognition that you would know what it meant.
Nothing to be proven here.
Besides, neither even know what city the other is in, its not really a thing most people would get dressed up over.

I seriously doubt many folks as him about his sig, on NS.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I have a feeling WRA's not gonna take kindly to this.

Eh, I've got better things to do than take bait on NSG. I'm not looking to get banned right now.

Besides, words are just words.

You're a better man than me.

sur 13 puto *waves blue bandanna and runs*

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Was less bait, and more recognition that you would know what it meant.
Nothing to be proven here.
Besides, neither even know what city the other is in, its not really a thing most people would get dressed up over.

I seriously doubt many folks as him about his sig, on NS.

It's pretty innocent when you're unaware of the connotations, come to think of it.

*shrugs*

Never got too far into that shit, but I'm close enough to have a few friends still doing time.

[Ifreann]

Why do you or anybody else deserve to be treated humanely? You can't just draw arbitrary lines on who does and who does not have rights. Otherwise we could say why do thieves deserve to be treated humanely? Or jay-walkers? Or even those that have differing political beliefs to the mainstream?

Because I'm not a dirty fucking terrorist.

I'd be warned by the mods if I expressed what I'd do should this guy he convicted. I'd do terrible things.

Why do you even have a problem with terrorists? You obviously want to do the same things they do.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

No, gang life is a shitty way to make money. Drug dealers make a few bucks an hour because gang distributors are usually dicks. You usually make more money as an independent dealer, but then you don't have homies, only addicts. I got this from two ex-gangbangers in California, so it may not be true where you live.

The latter is the main reason.

As opposed to just being broke? Bullshit.