Ireland rejects extradition to US as prison inhumane

[Imperializt Russia]

I am liking Ireland more and more. Good on them for legalizing same sex marriage and standing up to the Americans.

If we had more brave nations like Ireland in the world, the world would be a much better place.

They're turning a bit too Liberal. Ugh.

And?

[Vassenor]

I am liking Ireland more and more. Good on them for legalizing same sex marriage and standing up to the Americans.

If we had more brave nations like Ireland in the world, the world would be a much better place.

They're turning a bit too Liberal. Ugh.

How does "not letting America tell another sovereign nation how to run their country" equal "too Liberal"?

[Luxdonia]

I am liking Ireland more and more. Good on them for legalizing same sex marriage and standing up to the Americans.

If we had more brave nations like Ireland in the world, the world would be a much better place.

They're turning a bit too Liberal. Ugh.

Is that a bad thing, is it? Ireland is becoming a better nation through these reforms.

[Ifreann]

We're really not. There's no one for us to defend against.

Seriously, nobody hates Ireland.

We're pretty cool.

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I hate to say this but we need to bomb ireland.

Ireland has been bombed since they came up with whiskey.

Truly a high point in our history.

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[edit] Again, they want a their terrorist then they can keep him.

It's not that we want him. It's that the prisons you'd put him in are inhumane.

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If you are not a representative of the US government then you have no standing to request Damache's extradition. Thus I do not need to represent the Irish judicial system in order to deny your request.

Simples.

Buddy, what you're saying is just horseshit.

So now I can't state my desire to have a fucking terror suspect extradited unless I'm a Representative of the U.S. Government? Yeah, ok. Sure.

You can. And I can say no. I'm in as much a position to make the decision as you are to make the request.

The reason I asked if you represented the Irish Judicial system is because you simply said "no" as if you were the one in control of whether he would be extradited. I didn't speak for the U.S. government. I stated that I would extradite him. You spoke as if you were a representative of the Irish.

You didn't say you would extradite him. You said "Extradite this fucker".

[Rangila]

Seriously, nobody hates Ireland.

We're pretty cool.

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Ireland has been bombed since they came up with whiskey.

Truly a high point in our history.

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[edit] Again, they want a their terrorist then they can keep him.

It's not that we want him. It's that the prisons you'd put him in are inhumane.

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Buddy, what you're saying is just horseshit.

So now I can't state my desire to have a fucking terror suspect extradited unless I'm a Representative of the U.S. Government? Yeah, ok. Sure.

You can. And I can say no. I'm in as much a position to make the decision as you are to make the request.

The reason I asked if you represented the Irish Judicial system is because you simply said "no" as if you were the one in control of whether he would be extradited. I didn't speak for the U.S. government. I stated that I would extradite him. You spoke as if you were a representative of the Irish.

You didn't say you would extradite him. You said "Extradite this fucker".

Why does a terror suspect deserve to be treated humanely?

Oh yes, because "they're people too" or "we can't sink to their level". Yes we can.

[Ifreann]

We're pretty cool.

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Truly a high point in our history.

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It's not that we want him. It's that the prisons you'd put him in are inhumane.

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You can. And I can say no. I'm in as much a position to make the decision as you are to make the request.


You didn't say you would extradite him. You said "Extradite this fucker".

Why does a terror suspect deserve to be treated humanely?

"Deserve" doesn't factor into it. If being inhumane is wrong, then we should not be inhumane. Simple as that.

Oh yes, because "they're people too" or "we can't sink to their level". Yes we can.

Then what is your problem with terrorists? Why should society bother to arrest them or combat terrorism at all if we ourselves will sink to their level or dehumanise them?

[Byzantium Imperial]

We're pretty cool.

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Truly a high point in our history.

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It's not that we want him. It's that the prisons you'd put him in are inhumane.

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You can. And I can say no. I'm in as much a position to make the decision as you are to make the request.


You didn't say you would extradite him. You said "Extradite this fucker".

Why does a terror suspect deserve to be treated humanely?

Oh yes, because "they're people too" or "we can't sink to their level". Yes we can.

"Suspect"
Not yet proven guilty
Aka innocent

Because the government has no right to strip law abiding people of their constitutional rights untill after they are convicted in a court of law, and even then there are limits

[Qanchia]

Why does a terror suspect deserve to be treated humanely?

Oh yes, because "they're people too" or "we can't sink to their level".

No, it's because that's what the law says.

Yes we can.

Which is why Ireland rejected your extradition demand.

[Chestaan]

We're pretty cool.

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Truly a high point in our history.

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It's not that we want him. It's that the prisons you'd put him in are inhumane.

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You can. And I can say no. I'm in as much a position to make the decision as you are to make the request.


You didn't say you would extradite him. You said "Extradite this fucker".

Why does a terror suspect deserve to be treated humanely?

Oh yes, because "they're people too" or "we can't sink to their level". Yes we can.

Why do you or anybody else deserve to be treated humanely? You can't just draw arbitrary lines on who does and who does not have rights. Otherwise we could say why do thieves deserve to be treated humanely? Or jay-walkers? Or even those that have differing political beliefs to the mainstream?

[Rodrania]

Based Ireland, that's all I got to say.

[Autonomous Titoists]

Based Ireland, that's all I got to say.

No there is definitely more you can say. You know like introduce detailed analysis of your opinions on the matter. Actually opening up a debate, forum 101.

[Imperializt Russia]

Based Ireland, that's all I got to say.

No there is definitely more you can say. You know like introduce detailed analysis of your opinions on the matter. Actually opening up a debate, forum 101.

He's not the OP and we've had over a dozen pages of debate, so, no, he doesn't have to.

[Kazarogkai]

I am liking Ireland more and more. Good on them for legalizing same sex marriage and standing up to the Americans.

If we had more brave nations like Ireland in the world, the world would be a much better place.

They're turning a bit too Liberal. Ugh.

Wheres Éamon de Valera when you need him.

[Ifreann]

They're turning a bit too Liberal. Ugh.

Wheres Éamon de Valera when you need him.

I think he's dead.

[Jennifer Lawrence is Beautiful]

About three million or so disaffected inner-city American urbanites should be deported to Ireland....within a matter of months...the Irish will rethink their views on capital punishment and "inhumane" treatment of convicted criminals. This is my unshakeable belief!

[Conserative Morality]

Why does a terror suspect deserve to be treated humanely?

Oh yes, because "they're people too" or "we can't sink to their level". Yes we can.

Why would we want to?

America is better than the murderous, vengeful rage of dissatisfied fanatics. If we weren't, what would be the point in supporting us against them?

[The Serbian Empire]

Why does a terror suspect deserve to be treated humanely?

Oh yes, because "they're people too" or "we can't sink to their level". Yes we can.

Why would we want to?

America is better than the murderous, vengeful rage of dissatisfied fanatics. If we weren't, what would be the point in supporting us against them?

Maybe Ireland is implying the US is no better at the end of the day. Time for some US military invasion exercises.

[Jennifer Lawrence is Beautiful]

Why does a terror suspect deserve to be treated humanely?

Oh yes, because "they're people too" or "we can't sink to their level". Yes we can.

Why would we want to?

America is better than the murderous, vengeful rage of dissatisfied fanatics. If we weren't, what would be the point in supporting us against them?

That does not mean that they should be treated as anything but criminals. They European way, such as it is, is too "enlightened." There must be some suffering. Otherwise what would be the point of punishment?

[Conserative Morality]

Maybe Ireland is implying the US is no better at the end of the day. Time for some US military invasion exercises.

Nah. They're just saying that our prison system dates to the 19th century and needs a fix.

[Kazarogkai]

Wheres Éamon de Valera when you need him.

I think he's dead.

I Did not mean that literally...

[The Serbian Empire]

Maybe Ireland is implying the US is no better at the end of the day. Time for some US military invasion exercises.

Nah. They're just saying that our prison system dates to the 19th century and needs a fix.

Those are fighting words for the US superpower machine who needs another war to justify that bloated military R&D budget.

[Conserative Morality]

That does not mean that they should be treated as anything but criminals.

Yes, and even criminals have rights. An idea enshrined in our Constitution.

They European way, such as it is, is too "enlightened." There must be some suffering. Otherwise what would be the point of punishment?

Justice comes to mind. The point of punishment is primarily the prevention of future offenses, followed by the rehabilitation of the criminal so that they may either return to normal society or operate in such a way that allows them to accept it.

[Jennifer Lawrence is Beautiful]

Maybe Ireland is implying the US is no better at the end of the day. Time for some US military invasion exercises.

Nah. They're just saying that our prison system dates to the 19th century and needs a fix.

Releasing murderers after a mere fifteen years, or less, is not a fix.

[Conserative Morality]

Those are fighting words for the US superpower machine who needs another war to justify that bloated military R&D budget.

Shit, another war? We're still tired after the last. We've a headache, etc etc.

We're always engaged in some conflict or another, and of all our military expenditures, R&D is probably one of the more beneficial ones.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Nah. They're just saying that our prison system dates to the 19th century and needs a fix.

Releasing murderers after a mere fifteen years, or less, is not a fix.

Rehabilitation is though.