Ireland rejects extradition to US as prison inhumane

[Scyobayrynn]

Releasing hundreds of thousands of disenfranchised people many with poor education who can't even consider continuing that because like I said no student loans, they might be able to get a high school diploma, or GED. They've been barred from higher education, they can't progress without it. You have to have that fancy piece of paper from a college to get higher job positions, and they can't even get living wage jobs because practically no one will hire ex-cons. That's mostly on a child basis of when they were arrested, though many in our criminal institutions have high school dropouts. If we refuse education you can't use education to better you're situation. In 2014 California built 34 or so prisons...1 university. That says a lot about our country and how we view the importance of education.

You do have a point there, that is very something that is quite sad and breaks my heart. People should be punished immediately and then after that forgiven, they shouldn't be continued to punished for the rest of their lives for something that has been paid for. They have already paid their debt, why should we treat them as if they haven't? My personal opinion on that is that is not so much a problem with the justice system and more a problem with society as a whole.

This is the damage of the US criminal just system.
Prison does nothing to ready the convict for society...quite the opposite actually.
It also serves to hide away the problems so society can wander blind to the reality that the United States imprisoned a greater per capita portion of its populous than any other country on earth, it also imprisons more people in hard numbers than any other place on earth and does nothing substantive to get these people ready to re-enter the world.

[Greed and Death]

I like Ireland I really do, they just need to learn to obey the US.

They are a sovereign state. They don't have to obey anybody. What you suggest is essentially capitulating to US rule.

Ireland is a tributary state they give us a bowl of shamrocks to affirm their status every year.

[Autonomous Titoists]

You do have a point there, that is very something that is quite sad and breaks my heart. People should be punished immediately and then after that forgiven, they shouldn't be continued to punished for the rest of their lives for something that has been paid for. They have already paid their debt, why should we treat them as if they haven't? My personal opinion on that is that is not so much a problem with the justice system and more a problem with society as a whole.

This is the damage of the US criminal just system.
Prison does nothing to ready the convict for society...quite the opposite actually.
It also serves to hide away the problems so society can wander blind to the reality that the United States imprisoned a greater per capita portion of its populous than any other country on earth, it also imprisons more people in hard numbers than any other place on earth and does nothing substantive to get these people ready to re-enter the world.

America has 25% of the world's imprisoned population. We make North Korea look nice in that department.

[Tsaraine]

Do you want to support that or should we just bomb countries we don't like now? Oh wait we already do that throughout Southeast Asia, the Philippines, Eastern Africa. Yeah bombing children?

I like Ireland I really do, they just need to learn to obey the US.

They are a sovereign state. They don't have to obey anybody. What you suggest is essentially capitulating to US rule.

Ireland is a tributary state they give us a bowl of shamrocks to affirm their status every year.

I hate to say this but we need to bomb ireland.

Greed and death, *** warning for trolling/threadjacking ***.

~ Tsar the Mod

[Lockdownn]

Maybe everyone needs to shut the fuck up and stay within their own damn borders. /Just saying

You expect the US to stay in its borders? We haven't been able to do that since the DAMN COMMUNIST SCOURGE!! came across the land and stole these poor countries freedoms. Dammit democratize the shit out of them! /sarcasm

xD

It's a dream I have that the U.S might one day actually respect it's neighbors and stay the fuck out. If they hate those countries enough to invade them then let them rot on their own and see how long they last.

They are a sovereign state. They don't have to obey anybody. What you suggest is essentially capitulating to US rule.

Ireland is a tributary state they give us a bowl of shamrocks to affirm their status every year.

You have no god damn respect for them huh?

[edit] Again, they want a their terrorist then they can keep him.

[Tsaraine]

Kindly don't continue Greed and Death's threadjack, Lockdownn.

~ Tsar the Mod

[Lockdownn]

Kindly don't continue Greed and Death's threadjack, Lockdownn.

~ Tsar the Mod

Sorry about that! Just edited my post after I saw yours!

[Lockdownn]

This is the damage of the US criminal just system.
Prison does nothing to ready the convict for society...quite the opposite actually.
It also serves to hide away the problems so society can wander blind to the reality that the United States imprisoned a greater per capita portion of its populous than any other country on earth, it also imprisons more people in hard numbers than any other place on earth and does nothing substantive to get these people ready to re-enter the world.

America has 25% of the world's imprisoned population. We make North Korea look nice in that department.

A simple reform of the prison system would indeed be helpful. Rehabilitation only for those that are deemed fit.

[Autonomous Titoists]

You expect the US to stay in its borders? We haven't been able to do that since the DAMN COMMUNIST SCOURGE!! came across the land and stole these poor countries freedoms. Dammit democratize the shit out of them! /sarcasm

xD

It's a dream I have that the U.S might one day actually respect it's neighbors and stay the fuck out. If they hate those countries enough to invade them then let them rot on their own and see how long they last.

Ireland is a tributary state they give us a bowl of shamrocks to affirm their status every year.

You have no god damn respect for them huh?

[edit] Again, they want a their terrorist then they can keep him.

Well I mean like Iran, you know those guys we have issues with now? They were a democratically elected government until big bad US destabilized the whole region, conveniently the first time the area has been united against a common enemy, thank you Russia, and oh yeah Communists ARE SPREADING!!! Same thing in pretty much every country in south America. I blame China for North Korea though, completely their fault that happened. Woooo, didn't start NK, USA USA USA!

[Autonomous Titoists]

America has 25% of the world's imprisoned population. We make North Korea look nice in that department.

A simple reform of the prison system would indeed be helpful. Rehabilitation only for those that are deemed fit.

Reform won't happen, to many politicians still use it as, I'll keep the bad people away vote for me. No one wants change anymore, it's sad.And simple is out of the question.

Kind of unrelated but can mods write anything in their like warned for whatever box. Like could they just post on forums they found interesting like that? That would be pretty sweet actually.

[Wallenburg]

America has 25% of the world's imprisoned population. We make North Korea look nice in that department.

A simple reform of the prison system would indeed be helpful. Rehabilitation only for those that are deemed fit.

Anyone is fit for rehabilitation. It is merely a matter of the amount of funds, dedication, and time necessary.

[Lockdownn]

A simple reform of the prison system would indeed be helpful. Rehabilitation only for those that are deemed fit.

Reform won't happen, to many politicians still use it as, I'll keep the bad people away vote for me. No one wants change anymore, it's sad.And simple is out of the question.

Kind of unrelated but can mods write anything in their like warned for whatever box. Like could they just post on forums they found interesting like that? That would be pretty sweet actually.

That's honestly sad, and the fact that countries are now scared for a terrorist's welfare frightens me.

I'm pretty sure they themselves would get warned for spamming/garish unnecessary posts. You and me wanna talk about that then let's take it to telegrams.

A simple reform of the prison system would indeed be helpful. Rehabilitation only for those that are deemed fit.

Anyone is fit for rehabilitation. It is merely a matter of the amount of funds, dedication, and time necessary.

Some people with mental illnesses essentially could not be.

[Kazarogkai]

You do have a point there, that is very something that is quite sad and breaks my heart. People should be punished immediately and then after that forgiven, they shouldn't be continued to punished for the rest of their lives for something that has been paid for. They have already paid their debt, why should we treat them as if they haven't? My personal opinion on that is that is not so much a problem with the justice system and more a problem with society as a whole.

Ahhh. It all makes sense now. You support the justice system when it comes to dealing out punishment, but you see the after effects of having your name in a book of being in prison as society''s problem. Now that I can understand.

Don't get me wrong, the justice system is flawed and in some areas in desperate need of repair. But ultimately society itself is flawed and ultimately where the problem I speak of derives from. A person being discriminated upon simply for the fact that they committed an action long ago that they have long since paid for is a direct fault of society at large. in general discrimination of any sorts whether it be sexism, racism, or anything of the like comes from a fault within the society itself. The sad thing is the State is simply a hand for the overall desires and will of society at large, atleast in a democratic-republic, and as such it takes on societies characteristic whether they be good or bad.

[Wallenburg]

Anyone is fit for rehabilitation. It is merely a matter of the amount of funds, dedication, and time necessary.

Some people with mental illnesses essentially could not be.

Mental illness. It's a medical--not justice--issue. They should receive help even more than the standard criminal.
But in either case, the US is too focused on punishment and isn't willing to really invest long-term in rehabilitation, a great loss to convicts and law-abiding citizens alike.

[Kazarogkai]

xD

It's a dream I have that the U.S might one day actually respect it's neighbors and stay the fuck out. If they hate those countries enough to invade them then let them rot on their own and see how long they last.

You have no god damn respect for them huh?

[edit] Again, they want a their terrorist then they can keep him.

Well I mean like Iran, you know those guys we have issues with now? They were a democratically elected government until big bad US destabilized the whole region, conveniently the first time the area has been united against a common enemy, thank you Russia, and oh yeah Communists ARE SPREADING!!! Same thing in pretty much every country in south America. I blame China for North Korea though, completely their fault that happened. Woooo, didn't start NK, USA USA USA!

How many times has my nation been the one to make their own enemies, I lost count. Sad really.

[Autonomous Titoists]

Ahhh. It all makes sense now. You support the justice system when it comes to dealing out punishment, but you see the after effects of having your name in a book of being in prison as society''s problem. Now that I can understand.

Don't get me wrong, the justice system is flawed and in some areas in desperate need of repair. But ultimately society itself is flawed and ultimately where the problem I speak of derives from. A person being discriminated upon simply for the fact that they committed an action long ago that they have long since paid for is a direct fault of society at large. in general discrimination of any sorts whether it be sexism, racism, or anything of the like comes from a fault within the society itself. The sad thing is the State is simply a hand for the overall desires and will of society at large, atleast in a democratic-republic, and as such it takes on societies characteristic whether they be good or bad.

Agreed

[AiliailiA]

In 2014 California built 34 or so prisons...1 university. That says a lot about our country and how we view the importance of education.

Actually that's good. They were ordered by their state Supreme Court to reduce prison overcrowding. Maybe it would be better to grant earlier parole to do that, but at least they did it somehow.
Proposition 47 helped too.

And another thing.

The US is still the prison nation of the developed world, but let's have a little balance against claims the US does NOTHING to rehabilitate prisoners hmm?

[Imperializt Russia]

The right?? What do you propose? Invading any country that doesn't hand over any prisoner that you want?

If they impede our justice system, we should punish them non-militarily. They're stepping into domestic US business that doesn't concern them.

It absolutely concerns them, because they believe turning over the accused would violate legal obligations to maintaining a person's human rights.

[Zottistan]

On the one hand, this is a great thing for justice and one in an increasingly long chain of events making feel uncomfortably proud of my home country.

On the other hand, I actually lol'd reading the title.

[AiliailiA]

On the other hand, I actually lol'd reading the title.

It's awkwardly worded, but why the lol?

[Rangila]

I didn't speak for them, did I? You did.

If you are not a representative of the US government then you have no standing to request Damache's extradition. Thus I do not need to represent the Irish judicial system in order to deny your request.

Simples.

Buddy, what you're saying is just horseshit.

So now I can't state my desire to have a fucking terror suspect extradited unless I'm a Representative of the U.S. Government? Yeah, ok. Sure.

The reason I asked if you represented the Irish Judicial system is because you simply said "no" as if you were the one in control of whether he would be extradited. I didn't speak for the U.S. government. I stated that I would extradite him. You spoke as if you were a representative of the Irish.

[Zottistan]

On the other hand, I actually lol'd reading the title.

It's awkwardly worded, but why the lol?

Because it's funny.

[United facist States of America]

I dunno, we don't really rehabilitate people so it would be awfully hard to measure that.

My point is you can't rehabilitate criminals.

You know 11% of the population of the United States self idetifies as Irish. Out of all the nationalities represented in the US 11 out of every 100 people claim Irish heritage.

So quite literally, its the last nation on earth this country would try to harm... Do you like read or investigate the veracity of anything? Or is this like that movie Idle Hands? Is this all beyond your control?

I don't believe any self-identifying American of Irish descent would be angry enough to do anything if we punished Ireland for this childish act.

Scandinavia disagrees.

[Luxdonia]

I am liking Ireland more and more. Good on them for legalizing same sex marriage and standing up to the Americans.

If we had more brave nations like Ireland in the world, the world would be a much better place.

[Rangila]

I am liking Ireland more and more. Good on them for legalizing same sex marriage and standing up to the Americans.

If we had more brave nations like Ireland in the world, the world would be a much better place.

They're turning a bit too Liberal. Ugh.