Ireland rejects extradition to US as prison inhumane

[Chestaan]

Well fucking do it then! You think the rest of the world would stand for the US invading Ireland over a refusal to extradite someone?! The US's power is constrained by international and public opinion and nothing would let them get away with that.

If they did then I'd say fuck it and leave this planet. Fine, fine, keep your damn terrorist. I know I won't be there when shit blows up from them.

We've been dealing with terrorists since the foundation of our state, we can deal with one more perfectly fine.

[Ifreann]

Why bother locking up terrorists? Better and cheaper to shoot them in a field somewhere.

This^

Why waste money keeping scum alive? What good could we get out of them while still alive?

As much or more than we get from you, or anyone else.

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What are you gonna do? Find another country to land your war planes in? Tell Google to move their European headquarters to a country with a higher corporate tax rate?

In fact it is the US stepping into Irish domestic affairs by requesting that we extradite a person in our custody to you.

You know the US Military can make or break a region in the world by just coming and going.

Stopovers in Shannon Airport are making shit here but occasional political controversy. We'd be better off without.

No answer to this being an Irish matter that the US is inserting itself into?

[Kazarogkai]

You know the US Military can make or break a region in the world by just coming and going.

Well fucking do it then! You think the rest of the world would stand for the US invading Ireland over a refusal to extradite someone?! The US's power is constrained by international and public opinion and nothing would let them get away with that.

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But that would be stupid though, there literally is no point In going and invading another country over something as minuscule as this. Better to simply wash are hands and move on. If Ireland want's to keep a potential terrorist within their borders that is no concern to me. And neither would it be much of a concern if said potential terrorist ended up being an actual terrorist and committed terrorist actions within Ireland. Doesn't affect us so it is not are problem. The only time it will become a problem is if said individual came to the United States and committed Terrorist actions against ARE people within ARE soil and then fled to Ireland. At that point if Ireland continues to harbor said individual and refuses to give him to us then well, then well that can be considered a hostile action warranting hostile action in turn... remember Afghanistan?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Really so nonviolent drug offenders in prison, which there are a lot of, deserve life imprisonment? Or how about kids? One stupid and desperate decision has a child puts you in a box for more than half your life. That's fair? Not everyone there is a rapist or Hannibal Lector. And besides hundreds of thousands are released everyday. As I've mentioned earlier, punishment shouldn't be the only thing on the agenda.

Newsflash, man: Life ain't fair. You get what you deserve and if you break the law you deserve to be punished.

Newsflash, rehabilitation is better than punishment.

[Chestaan]

Well fucking do it then! You think the rest of the world would stand for the US invading Ireland over a refusal to extradite someone?! The US's power is constrained by international and public opinion and nothing would let them get away with that.

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But that would be stupid though, there literally is no point In going and invading another country over something as minuscule as this. Better to simply wash are hands and move on. If Ireland want's to keep a potential terrorist within their borders that is no concern to me. And neither would it be much of a concern if said potential terrorist ended up being an actual terrorist and committed terrorist actions within Ireland. Doesn't affect us so it is not are problem. The only time it will become a problem is if said individual came to the United States and committed Terrorist actions against ARE people within ARE soil and then fled to Ireland. At that point if Ireland continues to harbor said individual and refuses to give him to us then well, then well that can be considered a hostile action warranting hostile action in turn... remember Afghanistan?

Oh I agree, I was just responding to West Coast who boldly claimed that the US can make or break any region with it's military might.

[Autonomous Titoists]

Lol.
What argument? The "life ain't fair" or the "you get what you deserve"?
Okay I'll bite, could you source please those two claims...since I'm expected to treat that garbage like an actual argument.
Also please site the correlation between life not being fair and how that causes you to get what you deserve.
I'm also going to need you quantify at least the formula for calculating what's deserved.

By all means afford me the opportunity to respond to that "argument" with respect it deserves.

For someone to discount "life ain't fair" and "you get what you deserve" as B.S. is B.S. Life is not fair, I wish I could play professional baseball and own a 40 room mansion in Montana, but I'm not anywhere close to that and never will be. If I shot someone, I would have to pay the consequences, if I ran a red light I would pay the consequence for that. If I raped a woman, I'd face a consequence that I deserve for my illegal action.

Right now, drugs are illegal so if I was caught pedaling dope to fiends on the street, wouldn't I expect that if I were arrested I'd face the consequences I deserved? Or is that simply too edgy for you, big guy? Just because they're quick one liners commonly used doesn't discount them from being honest.

You can't put that in your own body. How dare you live life how you want through different methods.You must listen to us because we know what is best for you. Rapes bad but drugs are ridiculous. You know who profits of the drug trade? Cartels. Holy shit funny how that works.

[-The West Coast-]

Newsflash, man: Life ain't fair. You get what you deserve and if you break the law you deserve to be punished.

Newsflash, rehabilitation is better than punishment.

How many rehabilitated rapists exist today?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Newsflash, rehabilitation is better than punishment.

How many rehabilitated rapists exist today?

I dunno, we don't really rehabilitate people so it would be awfully hard to measure that.

[Scyobayrynn]

What are you gonna do? Find another country to land your war planes in? Tell Google to move their European headquarters to a country with a higher corporate tax rate?

In fact it is the US stepping into Irish domestic affairs by requesting that we extradite a person in our custody to you.

You know the US Military can make or break a region in the world by just coming and going.

You know 11% of the population of the United States self idetifies as Irish. Out of all the nationalities represented in the US 11 out of every 100 people claim Irish heritage.

So quite literally, its the last nation on earth this country would try to harm... Do you like read or investigate the veracity of anything? Or is this like that movie Idle Hands? Is this all beyond your control?

[MERIZoC]

Sounds fine to me.

[Ifreann]

Lol.
What argument? The "life ain't fair" or the "you get what you deserve"?
Okay I'll bite, could you source please those two claims...since I'm expected to treat that garbage like an actual argument.
Also please site the correlation between life not being fair and how that causes you to get what you deserve.
I'm also going to need you quantify at least the formula for calculating what's deserved.

By all means afford me the opportunity to respond to that "argument" with respect it deserves.

For someone to discount "life ain't fair" and "you get what you deserve" as B.S. is B.S. Life is not fair, I wish I could play professional baseball and own a 40 room mansion in Montana, but I'm not anywhere close to that and never will be. If I shot someone, I would have to pay the consequences, if I ran a red light I would pay the consequence for that. If I raped a woman, I'd face a consequence that I deserve for my illegal action.

Right now, drugs are illegal so if I was caught pedaling dope to fiends on the street, wouldn't I expect that if I were arrested I'd face the consequences I deserved? Or is that simply too edgy for you, big guy? Just because they're quick one liners commonly used doesn't discount them from being honest.

Have you considered that if people get what they deserve then life is fair? Or that is life isn't fair, then people will not get what they deserve, but rather more or less than that?

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Well fucking do it then! You think the rest of the world would stand for the US invading Ireland over a refusal to extradite someone?! The US's power is constrained by international and public opinion and nothing would let them get away with that.

'
But that would be stupid though, there literally is no point In going and invading another country over something as minuscule as this. Better to simply wash are hands and move on. If Ireland want's to keep a potential terrorist within their borders that is no concern to me. And neither would it be much of a concern if said potential terrorist ended up being an actual terrorist and committed terrorist actions within Ireland. Doesn't affect us so it is not are problem. The only time it will become a problem is if said individual came to the United States and committed Terrorist actions against ARE people within ARE soil and then fled to Ireland. At that point if Ireland continues to harbor said individual and refuses to give him to us then well, then well that can be considered a hostile action warranting hostile action in turn... remember Afghanistan?

Remember when America invaded Russia to get Edward Snowden back?

[Kazarogkai]

Newsflash, man: Life ain't fair. You get what you deserve and if you break the law you deserve to be punished.

Newsflash, rehabilitation is better than punishment.

Depends on one's goals and priorities. If you desire to turn persons who commit crimes into productive members of society, then yes it is better. But if revenge and making things even and balanced for the victim is the most important desire, then punishment works fine. I personally am of the former when it comes to criminals. I don't care about them for all I care about is the victim and making it so that what was lost to them is restored, and if that can't be done then atleast I can make things even.

[-The West Coast-]

How many rehabilitated rapists exist today?

I dunno, we don't really rehabilitate people so it would be awfully hard to measure that.

My point is you can't rehabilitate criminals.

You know the US Military can make or break a region in the world by just coming and going.

You know 11% of the population of the United States self idetifies as Irish. Out of all the nationalities represented in the US 11 out of every 100 people claim Irish heritage.

So quite literally, its the last nation on earth this country would try to harm... Do you like read or investigate the veracity of anything? Or is this like that movie Idle Hands? Is this all beyond your control?

I don't believe any self-identifying American of Irish descent would be angry enough to do anything if we punished Ireland for this childish act.

[Scyobayrynn]

Newsflash, rehabilitation is better than punishment.

How many rehabilitated rapists exist today?

How many failed rehabilitation exist, please sourse first the number of attempted rehabilitations.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I dunno, we don't really rehabilitate people so it would be awfully hard to measure that.

My point is you can't rehabilitate criminals.

Yeah, cuz just punishing people works so well. I learned so many skills by being locked up and became a productive member of society!

owait

[Autonomous Titoists]

Newsflash, rehabilitation is better than punishment.

How many rehabilitated rapists exist today?

Our system doesn't care about rehabilitation. We fail to even try rehabilitation. It's all a ploy for politicians to sit around and say we'll keep the bad people away so vote for me. They don't give a fuck about the consequences in the years to come when people are released from prison. And clearly neither do you.

[Ifreann]

I dunno, we don't really rehabilitate people so it would be awfully hard to measure that.

My point is you can't rehabilitate criminals.

You know 11% of the population of the United States self idetifies as Irish. Out of all the nationalities represented in the US 11 out of every 100 people claim Irish heritage.

So quite literally, its the last nation on earth this country would try to harm... Do you like read or investigate the veracity of anything? Or is this like that movie Idle Hands? Is this all beyond your control?

I don't believe any self-identifying American of Irish descent would be angry enough to do anything if we punished Ireland for this childish act.

Can you explain what was childish about Justice Donnelly's decision? Or are you just going to call us names?

[Autonomous Titoists]

I dunno, we don't really rehabilitate people so it would be awfully hard to measure that.

My point is you can't rehabilitate criminals.

You know 11% of the population of the United States self idetifies as Irish. Out of all the nationalities represented in the US 11 out of every 100 people claim Irish heritage.

So quite literally, its the last nation on earth this country would try to harm... Do you like read or investigate the veracity of anything? Or is this like that movie Idle Hands? Is this all beyond your control?

I don't believe any self-identifying American of Irish descent would be angry enough to do anything if we punished Ireland for this childish act.

How is it a childish act for Ireland to do with a criminal something along their judicial system. Those other lines on maps are countries, they view themselves as highly as United States citizens view Merica. Does that help?

[-The West Coast-]

How many rehabilitated rapists exist today?

Our system doesn't care about rehabilitation. We fail to even try rehabilitation. It's all a ploy for politicians to sit around and say we'll keep the bad people away so vote for me. They don't give a fuck about the consequences in the years to come when people are released from prison. And clearly neither do you.

Well I don't want a "rehabilitated" rapist or murderer on the streets. Criminals usually always return to a life of crime upon release. Keeping them in prison longer cuts that down.

[Kazarogkai]

For someone to discount "life ain't fair" and "you get what you deserve" as B.S. is B.S. Life is not fair, I wish I could play professional baseball and own a 40 room mansion in Montana, but I'm not anywhere close to that and never will be. If I shot someone, I would have to pay the consequences, if I ran a red light I would pay the consequence for that. If I raped a woman, I'd face a consequence that I deserve for my illegal action.

Right now, drugs are illegal so if I was caught pedaling dope to fiends on the street, wouldn't I expect that if I were arrested I'd face the consequences I deserved? Or is that simply too edgy for you, big guy? Just because they're quick one liners commonly used doesn't discount them from being honest.

Have you considered that if people get what they deserve then life is fair? Or that is life isn't fair, then people will not get what they deserve, but rather more or less than that?

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But that would be stupid though, there literally is no point In going and invading another country over something as minuscule as this. Better to simply wash are hands and move on. If Ireland want's to keep a potential terrorist within their borders that is no concern to me. And neither would it be much of a concern if said potential terrorist ended up being an actual terrorist and committed terrorist actions within Ireland. Doesn't affect us so it is not are problem. The only time it will become a problem is if said individual came to the United States and committed Terrorist actions against ARE people within ARE soil and then fled to Ireland. At that point if Ireland continues to harbor said individual and refuses to give him to us then well, then well that can be considered a hostile action warranting hostile action in turn... remember Afghanistan?

Remember when America invaded Russia to get Edward Snowden back?

He never committed an act of terrorism as such I do not see how your example proves your point.

[Autonomous Titoists]

Our system doesn't care about rehabilitation. We fail to even try rehabilitation. It's all a ploy for politicians to sit around and say we'll keep the bad people away so vote for me. They don't give a fuck about the consequences in the years to come when people are released from prison. And clearly neither do you.

Well I don't want a "rehabilitated" rapist or murderer on the streets. Criminals usually always return to a life of crime upon release. Keeping them in prison longer cuts that down.

Yes, probably because they can't get a job, can't file for bankruptcy, can't get welfare, student loans, or food stamps. They're fucked either way seeing as we cast them from society.

[Ifreann]

Our system doesn't care about rehabilitation. We fail to even try rehabilitation. It's all a ploy for politicians to sit around and say we'll keep the bad people away so vote for me. They don't give a fuck about the consequences in the years to come when people are released from prison. And clearly neither do you.

Well I don't want a "rehabilitated" rapist or murderer on the streets. Criminals usually always return to a life of crime upon release. Keeping them in prison longer cuts that down.

We freed Damache in May. No crimes so far. When do you expect him to go back to a life of crime?

[-The West Coast-]

How many rehabilitated rapists exist today?

How many failed rehabilitation exist, please sourse first the number of attempted rehabilitations.

That's not my job man, I didn't bring rehab up.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Our system doesn't care about rehabilitation. We fail to even try rehabilitation. It's all a ploy for politicians to sit around and say we'll keep the bad people away so vote for me. They don't give a fuck about the consequences in the years to come when people are released from prison. And clearly neither do you.

Well I don't want a "rehabilitated" rapist or murderer on the streets. Criminals usually always return to a life of crime upon release. Keeping them in prison longer cuts that down.

Yeah, because they don't get fucking rehabilitated. Shocking how that works huh?

[Autonomous Titoists]

Have you considered that if people get what they deserve then life is fair? Or that is life isn't fair, then people will not get what they deserve, but rather more or less than that?

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Remember when America invaded Russia to get Edward Snowden back?

He never committed an act of terrorism as such I do not see how your example proves your point.

The US government didn't like someone ratting them out. Everytime a whistleblower shows up he's the one who gets in trouble not the peopel committing the crimes. It wasn't terrorism, but it was "criminal." How dare he inform the populace of our unconstitutional activities.