NATION

PASSWORD

Do u think its socially better 2 B gay now than 5-10 yrs ago

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)
User avatar
Jamesholand223
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 2
Founded: Aug 04, 2015
Ex-Nation

Do u think its socially better 2 B gay now than 5-10 yrs ago

Postby Jamesholand223 » Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:39 am

Sorry for the spelling and grammar too few character limit for the title lol. From my own personal experience it seems there has been a rapid increase in support and acceptance of gay and bisexual people ( not so much for transgender people ) in just the past 5-10 years I have noticed quite a lot of men who are aged 20-30 who are coming out as gay or bisexual , a lot of popular youtubers have and are still coming out and people who would have not given a dam about gay rights 10 years ago are now voicing their support . Do you think things have improved where you live ? If so why do you think this is ? I'm talking about social acceptance not just political rights and protections .

User avatar
Talvezout
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5319
Founded: Oct 05, 2014
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Talvezout » Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:43 am

Things have improved, and it's a good thing it has.
Last edited by Talvezout on Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:43 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
The New Sea Territory
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16992
Founded: Dec 13, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:20 pm

From what my elders have said, yes. If I was born a decade earlier, I wouldn't have come out.
| Ⓐ | Anarchist Communist | Heideggerian Marxist | Vegetarian | Bisexual | Stirnerite | Slavic/Germanic Pagan | ᛟ |
Solntsa Roshcha --- Postmodern Poyltheist
"Christianity had brutally planted the poisoned blade in the healthy, quivering flesh of all humanity; it had goaded a cold wave
of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
-Renzo Novatore, Verso il Nulla Creatore

User avatar
Mysterious Stranger 2
Diplomat
 
Posts: 941
Founded: Jun 14, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Mysterious Stranger 2 » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:24 pm

Yeah, things have definitely been improving in the last couple years.

User avatar
Imperium Sidhicum
Senator
 
Posts: 4324
Founded: May 28, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Imperium Sidhicum » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:31 pm

It would seem so.

This shift of attitude towards homosexuality is perhaps the best example of Overton window principle at work. In a span of roughly 40 years, the attitude of Western society at large has changed from explicit rejection to an enforced policy of support - which is quite impressive, given how social norms typically take centuries to change this drastically.
Freedom doesn't mean being able to do as one please, but rather not to do as one doesn't please.

A fool sees religion as the truth. A smart man sees religion as a lie. A ruler sees religion as a useful tool.

The more God in one's mouth, the less in one's heart.

User avatar
Sam Hyde
Diplomat
 
Posts: 858
Founded: Jun 25, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Sam Hyde » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:38 pm

Not in Iraq.
What the critics are saying:
Redsection wrote:Idk if your an racist , but you are funny in an weird way.
WCJNSTBH wrote:Sam Hyde is the least racist motherfucker in this thread.
Confederate Ramenia wrote:This is when he showed the world that he was based; that he was not a cuck; that he is not a degenerate. This will be a crucial moment and I want to preserve this.
Byzantium Imperial wrote:You sir are a legend

User avatar
MERIZoC
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 23694
Founded: Dec 05, 2013
Left-wing Utopia

Postby MERIZoC » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:46 pm

Where specifically? I'm assuming western world for now, so I'd say it's marginally better. Much better if we go back 50 years though.

User avatar
Kiruri
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 17883
Founded: Dec 26, 2010
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Kiruri » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:49 pm

Jamesholand223 wrote:Sorry for the spelling and grammar too few character limit for the title lol. From my own personal experience it seems there has been a rapid increase in support and acceptance of gay and bisexual people ( not so much for transgender people ) in just the past 5-10 years I have noticed quite a lot of men who are aged 20-30 who are coming out as gay or bisexual , a lot of popular youtubers have and are still coming out and people who would have not given a dam about gay rights 10 years ago are now voicing their support . Do you think things have improved where you live ? If so why do you think this is ? I'm talking about social acceptance not just political rights and protections .

If you're like in the US or some parts of Europe then yes. Things have been improving significantly, both legally and socially. When it comes to the rest of the world, hmmm... I think improvement is barely noticeable.
I'm BIwinning
CelebrateBisexualityDaySeptember 23rd
Costa Rican
Dirty Paws!
d(^o^)b¸¸♬·¯·♩¸¸♪·¯·♫¸¸
=^..^=

User avatar
The Conez Imperium
Minister
 
Posts: 3053
Founded: Nov 23, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby The Conez Imperium » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:16 am

Probably, people are accepting others for their differences more which is a great thing.
Salut tout le monde, c'est moi !

User avatar
Kilobugya
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6875
Founded: Apr 05, 2005
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Kilobugya » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:41 am

First it depends where in the world, there are places where things improved, and other places where things went worse.

And even in places where things mostly went better, like here in France, we now have equal rights including marriage and adoption and a much better overall acceptation of gays, there are still some drawbacks : the anti-gay fundamentalists are also more active, and the number of aggressions against gays also went up.
Secular humanist and trans-humanist, rationalist, democratic socialist, pacifist, dreaming very high to not perform too low.
Economic Left/Right: -9.50 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.69

User avatar
Rhyfelnydd
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1485
Founded: Oct 23, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Rhyfelnydd » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:47 am

For the most part.
New Grestin wrote:Welcome to Nationstates Summer.

You can log out anytime you like, but you can never leave.
Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
Truman Bulldogs
ΦΣK
Cymraeg
l_Falch_l

User avatar
The Blaatschapen
Technical Moderator
 
Posts: 62658
Founded: Antiquity
Anarchy

Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:54 am

Nah, not really a big difference here.

But 10-15 years ago it was at least still booming in terms of progression, now the movement has stalled in the Netherlands.
Last edited by The Blaatschapen on Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:55 am, edited 1 time in total.
1. The Last Tech Modling
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8. Size matters. Bigger is forbidden and won't give the mods pleasure.

User avatar
Crimiea
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 445
Founded: Feb 10, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Crimiea » Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:48 am

Yes.

5-10 years ago, people will take a step back when you come out as gay. Now they either say "I have nothing against gays, just don't flaunt it in my face" or "Whatever".
We are this Crimea|Political Compass
Greatest political ad since 2011|¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Should've pick the Jew, Antisemitic Hillbots
University student, 22, American, Independent voter, ESTJ, aspiring professor.

User avatar
The Blaatschapen
Technical Moderator
 
Posts: 62658
Founded: Antiquity
Anarchy

Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:30 am

Crimiea wrote:Yes.

5-10 years ago, people will take a step back when you come out as gay. Now they either say "I have nothing against gays, just don't flaunt it in my face" or "Whatever".


Saying "don't flaunt it in my face" is basically the verbal variant of taking a step back.
1. The Last Tech Modling
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8. Size matters. Bigger is forbidden and won't give the mods pleasure.

User avatar
Socialist Tera
Senator
 
Posts: 4960
Founded: Dec 23, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Socialist Tera » Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:56 am

Yes, culture has changed, there are less gay bashings in Australia then 10 years ago. The biggest change is the acceptance of transgender people.
Theistic Satanist, Anarchist, Survivalist, eco-socialist. ex-tankie.

User avatar
Fremont Forest
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 154
Founded: Jun 22, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Fremont Forest » Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:53 am

Definitely

User avatar
Chessmistress
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5161
Founded: Mar 16, 2015
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Chessmistress » Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:16 am

I'm bi, actually fully lesbian, I never perceived a particular stigma, but it may be due I'm more or less straight looking, I dated more males than women (actually, just only two women), I don't like display affection in public places, and also I fully comed out quite recently.
OOC:
Radical Feminist, caring about the oppressed gender, that's why I have a strong sense of justice.

PRO:
Radical Feminism (proudly SWERF - moderately TERF),
Gender abolitionism,
birth control and population control,
affirmative ongoing VERBAL consent,
death penalty for rapists.

AGAINST:
patriarchy,
pornography,
heteronormativity,
domestic violence and femicide.


Favorite Quotes: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=ches ... /id=403173

User avatar
Ashworth-Attwater
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1078
Founded: May 04, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Ashworth-Attwater » Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:19 am

Now, if you live in the West. Maybe 5 years ago if you live in Russia, but even then, I don't think gay people would be comfortable outside of cosmopolitan cities like St. Petersburg or Moscow.
— What do you mean you don't like the Khmer Rouge?

☭ THIS MACHINE TRIGGERS FASCISTS ☭

User avatar
Meryuma
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 14922
Founded: Jul 16, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Meryuma » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:51 am

Way better in the West, worse in many other places.

I also think we're on the cusp of a major revolution in the treatment and perception of trans people.
ᛋᛃᚢ - Social Justice Úlfheðinn
Potarius wrote:
Neo Arcad wrote:Gravity is a natural phenomenon by which physical bodies attract with a force proportional to their mass.


In layman's terms, orgy time.


Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.


Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."


Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.



Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.

Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...

*puts on sunglasses*

blow out of proportions."

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

...so here's your future

User avatar
Nikolausstadt
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 171
Founded: Jul 14, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Nikolausstadt » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:57 am

Depends where you live. I've lived in an area where we have a lot of migrants (most of them are from Turkey and Morocco and are generally acceptive of anyone), an increasing group from conservative islamic and african christian countries, and thus I've seen an increase in harassment towards openly homosexual men and women. Most western areas are becoming more and more acceptive of homosexuals though.

Although in the Netherlands you'll still be hated because you are different :P
Owner of Braberland and San Eulogio.

User avatar
Meryuma
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 14922
Founded: Jul 16, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Meryuma » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:23 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Crimiea wrote:Yes.

5-10 years ago, people will take a step back when you come out as gay. Now they either say "I have nothing against gays, just don't flaunt it in my face" or "Whatever".


Saying "don't flaunt it in my face" is basically the verbal variant of taking a step back.


I dunno about the Netherlands, but in the US it's generally the homophobic version of "I'm not racist, but".
ᛋᛃᚢ - Social Justice Úlfheðinn
Potarius wrote:
Neo Arcad wrote:Gravity is a natural phenomenon by which physical bodies attract with a force proportional to their mass.


In layman's terms, orgy time.


Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.


Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."


Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.



Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.

Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...

*puts on sunglasses*

blow out of proportions."

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

...so here's your future

User avatar
Minoa
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5403
Founded: Oct 05, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Minoa » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:36 pm

It is certainly a better time in the west as more people come to recognise that love is love without needing to be picky like before. As the west progresses with recognising rights irrespective of sexual orientation, pressure will build up on those that still resist, like Russia and Brunei.
Last edited by Minoa on Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Mme A. d'Oiseau, B.A. (State of Minoa)

User avatar
Grand Duchy of Eastern Taroe
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 2
Founded: Aug 05, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Grand Duchy of Eastern Taroe » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:46 pm

i think however that coming out as a transgender is harder than coming out as gay, lesbian or bisexual, as you'll never feel complete if you are transsexual. If you are a man and want to be a woman, you'll never be able to carry a child, have a menstruation or having breasts that look natural instead of balloons, and a woman wanting to be a man will never be able to concieve a child, and i guess coming out as a transsexual isnt common because it's sort of final when you come out. I myself have struggles with my indentity in this area, however i now that a gender changing operation will never be satisfactionary, as i never will be able to actually be a person of the opposite gender, and therefore, i try not to focus on it, move on, and hope that it either will just sorta die down, or wait till science has developped enough to make changes to your body which are close enough to a real person of the opposite gender

User avatar
Crimiea
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 445
Founded: Feb 10, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Crimiea » Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:11 pm

Grand Duchy of Eastern Taroe wrote:i think however that coming out as a transgender is harder than coming out as gay, lesbian or bisexual, as you'll never feel complete if you are transsexual. If you are a man and want to be a woman, you'll never be able to carry a child, have a menstruation or having breasts that look natural instead of balloons, and a woman wanting to be a man will never be able to concieve a child, and i guess coming out as a transsexual isnt common because it's sort of final when you come out. I myself have struggles with my indentity in this area, however i now that a gender changing operation will never be satisfactionary, as i never will be able to actually be a person of the opposite gender, and therefore, i try not to focus on it, move on, and hope that it either will just sorta die down, or wait till science has developped enough to make changes to your body which are close enough to a real person of the opposite gender


I think it depends on your area. My community is more accepting of Trans people than bisexuals. If you're a man wanting to be a woman, some straight men are unashamed of being attracted to attractive women who were once men whereas bisexuals (especially females) are stereotyped as heterosexual drunk party girls trying to get attention from male bar goers by making out with their sorority sister. Also given the fact that lesbians are more accepted than homosexual men, bisexual females will have a harder time coming out because it will raise doubts in society whether or not she truly is attracted to both genders or is taking advantage of society's double standards.
We are this Crimea|Political Compass
Greatest political ad since 2011|¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Should've pick the Jew, Antisemitic Hillbots
University student, 22, American, Independent voter, ESTJ, aspiring professor.

User avatar
Liberty and Linguistics
Senator
 
Posts: 4565
Founded: Jan 09, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:12 pm

In the western world, definitely. In West Europe, Canada, the US, Australia etc, people have become much more tolerant of the LGBT community. Even in Japan and South Korea, the young generation has become quite accepting.

Now, head to Africa, the Middle East, or Russia, and you'll see the persecution gays have to put up with, persecution that is only worsening.
I am: Cynic, Depressive, Junior in HS, Arizonan, Sarcastic, Wannabe Psychologist, Lover of Cinema and Rum.


Ziggy played guitar....
For ISIS | On Israel and its settlements | Flat Taxes are beneficial for all | OOC, Baby | Probably Accurate.

Next

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Arvenia, Austria-Bohemia-Hungary, Bruhssians, Castelia, Dimetrodon Empire, Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States, Heavenly Assault, Ifreann, Moltian, The Jamesian Republic

Advertisement

Remove ads