Did Гласность and Перестройка kill the USSR?

[Centro-Progressive Peoples Entity]

Did they? I think that the USSR deserved to die because I unitary state under the sprawling bureaucracy and the overall conservative ethos that the Politburo was, despite internal reform by Gorbachev.

What say you NSG?

[Zachary Nichols]

Hold on. Googling translation...

[Colonial Rhodesia]

I believe that is Glasnost and perestroika

[Palakistan]

I believe that is Glasnost and perestroika

Yes.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No, the USSR was already on the road to dying.

[Deskorga]

Not exclusively.

At the time, Boris Yeltsin was convincing many of the republics to break off. The instability at the time may have had something to do with that, but HE went and did it because he knew that he couldn't get the top position in government without first removing the Communist party from power. On the other hand, the fall of the Berlin wall also allowed many East Germans to go to the west and experience an illusion of a "vast" amount of freedom compared to the Soviet Bloc ( Which in reality isn't much unless you're of particularly high economic status ).
Of course, Glasnost and Perestroika did destabilize the economy and the government more than it already had been, but it didn't kill the USSR on it's own.

[New Werpland]

No it was Reagan, and nothing but him.

[United Marxist Nations]

The economic changes were not severe enough to end the USSR on their own.

[Great Nilfgaard]

Gorbachev certainly hastened it's demise with glasnost and perestroika. Whether it was too rotten at the core to survive long term is another question; it certainly wasn't efficient or competitive with the West by the mid 1980s.

[Skaaneland Continued]

Did they? I think that the USSR deserved to die because I unitary state under the sprawling bureaucracy and the overall conservative ethos that the Politburo was, despite internal reform by Gorbachev.

What say you NSG?

USSR was founded on a socialist ethos. Certein individuals tried to use that ethos to gain personal advantage, but since that ethos in itself was socialist that was also in itself destructive and it couldn't last in the long run. I don't think there is a further going analasis.

[Greater Istanistan]

No it was Reagan, and nothing but him.

He flexed his trickle-down and Eastern Europe exploded from the illogic.

[MERIZoC]

No it was Reagan, and nothing but him.

He flexed his trickle-down and Eastern Europe exploded from the illogic.

AQ'd.

[Medina Marshes]

The USSR didnt died, they are waiting for the right time to reunite and conquer the world. And also waiting for the usa to break into 50 autocratic republics

[The Wolven League]

Gorbachev certainly hastened it's demise with glasnost and perestroika. Whether it was too rotten at the core to survive long term is another question; it certainly wasn't efficient or competitive with the West by the mid 1980s.

*indiscreet cough* it survived until 1991 and was still fairly powerful, despite being weakened` *finishes cough*

Gorbachev's policies certainly dealt the USSR a crushing blow, and despite already being quickly declining, the USSR may have lasted for a couple more leaders before it collapsed. Honestly, I'm a communist, but I'm glad it collapsed. I despise the Stalinist form of communism. (which was adopted by the USSR upon Stalin's ascension and lasted till the USSR's death)

[Seraven]

Did they? I think that the USSR deserved to die because I unitary state under the sprawling bureaucracy and the overall conservative ethos that the Politburo was, despite internal reform by Gorbachev.

What say you NSG?

USSR was already on its last line. I read it somewhere that Glasnost and Perestroika were the products of Gorbachev's mind to reform USSR, and to gave options to his satellite states, to stay, or to leave. And they chose to leave.

Had USSR still stood until now, perhaps there will be some of USA's decisions that will be vetoed strongly, and perhaps intervened directly to avoid worse results.

[Geilinor]

The USSR was already declining, but glasnost and perestroika didn't work as intended and hastened its fall.

[Shofercia]

Did they? I think that the USSR deserved to die because I unitary state under the sprawling bureaucracy and the overall conservative ethos that the Politburo was, despite internal reform by Gorbachev.

What say you NSG?

Not sure if they made the killing blow, but they certainly played the role of accessory to murder, even that of co-conspirators. Glasnost allowed scammers to speak freely and Perestroika opened up the economy to scammers. In the end, hundreds of thousands of the elderly and kids died due to extreme poverty, while the West was hailing the glorious democracy that Russia was becoming, whilst helping Yeltsin rig the 1996 elections.

[Edward Richtofen]

The USSR didnt died, they are waiting for the right time to reunite and conquer the world. And also waiting for the usa to break into 50 autocratic republics

It's still Summer isn't it?
surprisingly little in the way of stormfront
instead we get militant Irish nationalists
and this

[Geilinor]

Did they? I think that the USSR deserved to die because I unitary state under the sprawling bureaucracy and the overall conservative ethos that the Politburo was, despite internal reform by Gorbachev.

What say you NSG?

Not sure if they made the killing blow, but they certainly played the role of accessory to murder, even that of co-conspirators. Glasnost allowed scammers to speak freely and Perestroika opened up the economy to scammers. In the end, hundreds of thousands of the elderly and kids died due to extreme poverty, while the West was hailing the glorious democracy that Russia was becoming, whilst helping Yeltsin rig the 1996 elections.

Do you think it's better that nobody can speak freely?

[Shofercia]

Not sure if they made the killing blow, but they certainly played the role of accessory to murder, even that of co-conspirators. Glasnost allowed scammers to speak freely and Perestroika opened up the economy to scammers. In the end, hundreds of thousands of the elderly and kids died due to extreme poverty, while the West was hailing the glorious democracy that Russia was becoming, whilst helping Yeltsin rig the 1996 elections.

Do you think it's better that nobody can speak freely?

Nope. I think that free speech should be gradually introduced, not zerg-rushed unto an unsuspecting public during major economic reforms. There's a lot of free speech on RuNet, but that's been in the works for over a decade. I'm not against the concept of Glasnost; I'm against the zerg-rush implementation of Glasnost during Perestroika.

[Grenartia]

Do you think it's better that nobody can speak freely?

Nope. I think that free speech should be gradually introduced, not zerg-rushed unto an unsuspecting public during major economic reforms. There's a lot of free speech on RuNet, but that's been in the works for over a decade. I'm not against the concept of Glasnost; I'm against the zerg-rush implementation of Glasnost during Perestroika.

Define: "zerg-rushed" and "gradually introduced", in context.

[San Jose Guayabal]

Those reforms didn't killed USSR as many books and media said about it, USSR was built itself in an unstable ground politically speaking, their ideals to achieve progress for people were just a lie, they just made rich themselves and the people in all the republics suffered, as some of those happenings I can mention the "Holodomor" and also the meat crisis in Russia in 1990, all the social pressure on the government by corruption scandals and how the army "woke up" were the last nail in the coffin for the USSR.

[Luziyca]

No. It may have helped hasten the process, but the stagnation and declining living standards caused the USSR to crack.

[San Jose Guayabal]

No. It may have helped hasten the process, but the stagnation and declining living standards caused the USSR to crack.

That too, but I think that the social pressure had to do, considering that all the republics and their ethnicities were being "dissapeared" as it happened with Estonians, Khakas, Maris and Lithuanians, I have a doubt with the last ones but the situation is tat the main cultures all across the USSR woke up in order to stop abuse to their rights, inestability arose, at all the union, that was inevitable.

NOTE: Just mentioning four ethnicities that I know, I'd write the list but that'd be a lot of...

[RSDLP]

The USSR, as such, was doomed from the moment that Stalinist bureaucracy gained ascendency. As Trotsky predicted, in The Revolution Betrayed, the Soviet bureaucracy acted as a cancer on the planned economy, inevitably dragging it down after a certain point. The reforms introduced under Gorbachev were not the cause of the USSR's fall, but a response to (and eventually the cumulation of) the ongoing process of its decline that resulted in the collapse of the Proletarian Bonapartist regime and the restoration of capitalism in the USSR.