Man has consensual sex with '17' year old, now a crime

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

The way the vindictive attitude of the American criminal justice system makes life nearly impossible for many people is just ridiculous.

So why don't we just give convicted criminals flowers and ask them nicely not to do it again.

I'm not sure that makes sense.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Fun fact: that actually works better than ruining people's lives forever.

Do you think the purpose of the justice system is to exact revenge instead of rehabilitating criminals?

[United Dependencies]

I change my mind, actually, I think this man made a reasonable effort to ascertain the age of his partner and her ability to consent. Punishing him for being deceived strikes me as unfair.

[Grave_n_idle]

The way the vindictive attitude of the American criminal justice system makes life nearly impossible for many people is just ridiculous.

So why don't we just give convicted criminals flowers and ask them nicely not to do it again.

Well, Actually...

[Ethel mermania]

So why don't we just give convicted criminals flowers and ask them nicely not to do it again.

Well, Actually...

These folks are already being punished, rehabilitation during incarceration is a good thing to do. So it's not quite what I was saying.

On the down side the two folks who just broke out of the nys prison were on the honor system
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... break.html

[Ethel mermania]

Do you think the purpose of the justice system is to exact revenge instead of rehabilitating criminals?

It is to exact justice.

[Fartsniffage]

Do you think the purpose of the justice system is to exact revenge instead of rehabilitating criminals?

It is to exact justice.

Define justice?

[Ethel mermania]

It is to exact justice.

Define justice?

I really don't feel like going down this thread jack.

[Unitaristic Regions]

The title is misleading. He fucked a 14 year old who said she was 17, right? Nice downplaying of the child molesting.

Maybe he was lied to, but somehow, I doubt most 14 year olds look 17. And I think one has a responsibility to err on the side of caution if you're not sure of someone's age.

And weather the victim or her family want him to be charged is irrelevant. The law is the law, and the whole point of age of consent is that the victim is too young to have a say in the matter.

That said, from what I've heard about it, I think the sex offender registry is obscene. If someone is real threat, they shouldn't be let out of prison. And if they're not, they should be allowed to get on with their life, not stigmatized and harassed for ages afterward.

So when someone young-looking says they're just young-looking for their age, you should think they're lying?

[Nilla Wayfarers]

Define justice?

I really don't feel like going down this thread jack.

Well, we don't know if your definition of justice is to ruin a guy's life for being lied to, versus giving him a fair punishment, so it is important.

[Gauthier]

I really don't feel like going down this thread jack.

Well, we don't know if your definition of justice is to ruin a guy's life for being lied to, versus giving him a fair punishment, so it is important.

Dystopian justice systems are no big deal as long as him or his own aren't affected. The legalistic version of "I've Got Mine, Fuck You All".

[Washington Resistance Army]

Do you think the purpose of the justice system is to exact revenge instead of rehabilitating criminals?

It is to exact justice.

Simply punishing someone does nothing to rehabilitate them, I know that firsthand.

[Nilla Wayfarers]

Well, we don't know if your definition of justice is to ruin a guy's life for being lied to, versus giving him a fair punishment, so it is important.

Dystopian justice systems are no big deal as long as him or his own aren't affected. The legalistic version of "I've Got Mine, Fuck You All".

Seems like that's his little world.

[Rusozak]

I don't think it's fair for an adult to be punished for being deliberately deceived by a minor into thinking they're an adult too. If anything, the 14 year old should be charged for deliberately making someone think of them as older so they can do something she's not allowed to do at her age. Wall Street big shots responsible for recession and ruining the lives of millions go off Scot free, and a teen gets labeled as a possibly dangerous pervert for what's supposed to be the best years of their life because they got lied to. This is why America is falling.

[Ethel mermania]

I really don't feel like going down this thread jack.

Well, we don't know if your definition of justice is to ruin a guy's life for being lied to, versus giving him a fair punishment, so it is important.

I have said many times in the thread, I think the plea deal was fair. I don't think the judge putting him on the sex offender list in addition was.

[Ethel mermania]

It is to exact justice.

Simply punishing someone does nothing to rehabilitate them, I know that firsthand.

Justice does not equal punishment.

[Ethel mermania]

Well, we don't know if your definition of justice is to ruin a guy's life for being lied to, versus giving him a fair punishment, so it is important.

Dystopian justice systems are no big deal as long as him or his own aren't affected. The legalistic version of "I've Got Mine, Fuck You All".

Fucking seriously? Clearly when incapable of making a discussion let's go to the personal attacks. For you, well played.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Simply punishing someone does nothing to rehabilitate them, I know that firsthand.

Justice does not equal punishment.

Well justice sure as hell wasn't served in this case.

[Ethel mermania]

Dystopian justice systems are no big deal as long as him or his own aren't affected. The legalistic version of "I've Got Mine, Fuck You All".

Seems like that's his little world.

Another gratuitous insult, well done.

[Ethel mermania]

Justice does not equal punishment.

Well justice sure as hell wasn't served in this case.

The judge went too far, agreed.

[Nilla Wayfarers]

Well, we don't know if your definition of justice is to ruin a guy's life for being lied to, versus giving him a fair punishment, so it is important.

I have said many times in the thread, I think the plea deal was fair. I don't think the judge putting him on the sex offender list in addition was.

Well, thanks for mentioning that, but I won't look through 30 pages to find where you've said it before.

[Nilla Wayfarers]

Seems like that's his little world.

Another gratuitous insult, well done.

Really? I was just agreeing with him. Get over it. People say far worse than that, so if that offends you, I'm worried about how you get around General at all.

[Gauthier]

Dystopian justice systems are no big deal as long as him or his own aren't affected. The legalistic version of "I've Got Mine, Fuck You All".

Fucking seriously? Clearly when incapable of making a discussion let's go to the personal attacks. For you, well played.

Because the definition of consistency is decrying judicial overreaction and then continuing as if the affected was a hardcore serial rapist who deserved it anyways:

The way the vindictive attitude of the American criminal justice system makes life nearly impossible for many people is just ridiculous.

So why don't we just give convicted criminals flowers and ask them nicely not to do it again.

[Ethel mermania]

Another gratuitous insult, well done.

Really? I was just agreeing with him. Get over it. People say far worse than that, so if that offends you, I'm worried about how you get around General at all.

We either have a discussion or hurl insults. I don't mind it but it does mean the conversation is over. And it shows you off in a poor light. Both are ok by me.

[Ethel mermania]

Fucking seriously? Clearly when incapable of making a discussion let's go to the personal attacks. For you, well played.

Because the definition of consistency is decrying judicial overreaction and then continuing as if the affected was a hardcore serial rapist who deserved it anyways:

So why don't we just give convicted criminals flowers and ask them nicely not to do it again.

That was in response to his overall comment, Improving comprehension skills would help. See aren't insults fun. But seriously learn to read.