Man has consensual sex with '17' year old, now a crime

[Dyakovo]

That sounds pretty ominous.

I dunno, it's just hilariously stupid to me.

Ominous in its hilarious stupidity?

[Gauthier]

So why don't we just give convicted criminals flowers and ask them nicely not to do it again.

Why don't we actually rehabilitate people

Because rehabilitation is the same as condoning rape apparently.

[MERIZoC]

For?

Tricking a guy into having sex with her, Sex that later ruined his life.

Why can't we just say no harm no foul and let everyone off?

[Washington Resistance Army]

I dunno, it's just hilariously stupid to me.

Ominous in its hilarious stupidity?

Sounds about right

You have such a way with words.

[Dyakovo]

For?

Tricking a guy into having sex with her, Sex that later ruined his life.

He was the responsible adult in the equation, not her.

[Gauthier]

Tricking a guy into having sex with her, Sex that later ruined his life.

He was the responsible adult in the equation, not her.

Which perfectly justifies branding him a lifelong pariah just like actual serial rapists and molestors.

[New Benian Republic]

Tricking a guy into having sex with her, Sex that later ruined his life.

Why can't we just say no harm no foul and let everyone off?

you know what I think I'll agree with that.

[Dyakovo]

He was the responsible adult in the equation, not her.

Which perfectly justifies branding him a lifelong pariah just like actual serial rapists and molestors.

[Ethel mermania]

So why don't we just give convicted criminals flowers and ask them nicely not to do it again.

Because hey, treating a guy who slept with a girl younger than she claimed to be the same as serial kiddy rapists won't encourage him to drop off the grid and maybe do it for real.

Why would he do it for real, a second time, with a prior guilty plea, he is going to go away for a long time, not just 90 days in jail.

He is the adult, he is suppose to make sure. A bar sells booze to an underage kid with a fake id, the bar still loses its liquor license and pays the fine.

I don't think the judge did the right thing here, but hI'm being responsible as the adult I don't have a problem with.

[Gauthier]

Because hey, treating a guy who slept with a girl younger than she claimed to be the same as serial kiddy rapists won't encourage him to drop off the grid and maybe do it for real.

Why would he do it for real, a second time, with a prior guilty plea, he is going to go away for a long time, not just 90 days in jail.

He is the adult, he is suppose to make sure. A bar sells booze to an underage kid with a fake id, the bar still loses its liquor license and pays the fine.

I don't think the judge did the right thing here, but hI'm being responsible as the adult I don't have a problem with.

Given onerous zoning restrictions, mandatory notifications everywhere he goes, plus stigma against registered sex offenders that makes real employment with livable wages a non-starter, why wouldn't he risk being re-imprisoned by a state that will take care of his housing and feeding needs instead of scraping on the edge of homelessness if not actually so due to the label of Registered Sex Offender?

[Chessmistress]

Fair and equal. That's disturbing.

Um.

"That's just only the beginning".

I can't help but think it suggests that women will start openly oppressing men. That for some reason, once we reach the delightful goal of fair, true equality, that we should not stop and flip the tables because fuck you.

Wrong, it suggests that women will start openly oppressing rapists and harassers and every kind of abusers - not men
"That's just only the beginning" is referred to the fact that the poster said 50 years ago it was normal to rape a 14 yo child, and now it's illegal.
That's just only the beginning.
In example I hope that a day light harassment like whistles will be subject to a fine: a fine, nothing special - in some countries you're fined if you throw little crap in the street, why males shouldn't be fined if they whistle to a woman? That's oppression or fairness according you?

I don't know. I'd kind of be okay with it if they incorporated chains and whips into their domination. If that's actually what Chess wants, then I don't see why everyone is so opposed to it.

Radical Feminists opposes BDSM.
That's likely to be subject to severe limitations in the future, I think.

Join the Patriarchy, we have porn.

Indeed, when patriarchy will end, porn will be outlawed.

And yet recognizing that the sex offender registry system as it is would only encourage people to reoffend or in some cases Actually Offend at the same time. It's either cognitive dissonance or pure bullshit at work.

It's not cognitive dissonance.
I admit I never thought about the fact you highlighted, and you're right: the sex offender registry system as it is would only encourage people to reoffend, maybe even more.
Frankly, I don't think that a male who was properly punished and even rehabilitated should be in a sex offender registry, at least not subject to the somewhat crazy rules as you describe. That's counter-productive.
Also, in example, I cannot even get the meaning of that measure: a male rape an adult woman, both are 25 yo or something like that, the woman apparently gave her consent but she was drunk. Okay, he's a rapist.
But, then, why he should be keeped away from schools? He's a rapist but not a paedophile.
In a similar case I think that a short rehabilitation program, something like 4-5 years, including at least 2 years of chemical castration, should work much better. Then, after that, he should be again a productive member of the society. Without need to being in a sex offenders registry.
Of course, for paedophiles I think there should be death penalty, and also for rapists who rape women who are actively opposing them or who drug women on purpose. A male who rape a woman who is drunk by her own and apparently even happy with him, well, that deserve a very different
treatment, rehabilitation.
I have a different opinion about the most severe cases of harassment, but it's not the case to highlight it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Join the Patriarchy, we have porn.

Indeed, when patriarchy will end, porn will be outlawed.

Okay I've brought this up a thousand times and you've never answered. Are you really naive enough to think porn will just go away when you outlaw it?

[Galloism]

Let's keep in mind that Chess's view of equality includes "guilty until proven innocent" as a serious legal platform.

And yet recognizing that the sex offender registry system as it is would only encourage people to reoffend or in some cases Actually Offend at the same time. It's either cognitive dissonance or pure bullshit at work.

I vote pure bullshit.

[BK117B2]

Of course, I actually gave a rationale for the position. You didn't provide one for how such a lie to get sex would NOT be rape by deception.

Ah, I think you're confused - I'm not arguing opinion, I'm saying that - based on precedence I've not seen a case that suggests it would hold up.

If you think there's a case where there is a precedent that it WOULD hold up, feel free to source it.

Maybe there's the disconnect. I was referring to what happened, not the likelihood of a conviction for it. So far as I know, it is still LEGAL to commit rape by deception in some states.

[Veceria]

Indeed, when patriarchy will end, porn will be outlawed.

Okay I've brought this up a thousand times and you've never answered. Are you really naive enough to think porn will just go away when you outlaw it?

Of course, nudity will simply stop existing, as will cameras.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Okay I've brought this up a thousand times and you've never answered. Are you really naive enough to think porn will just go away when you outlaw it?

Of course, nudity will simply stop existing, as will cameras.

Damn, those are some insane laws if they can phase shit out of existence

[The Cobalt Sky]

Of course, nudity will simply stop existing, as will cameras.

Damn, those are some insane laws if they can phase shit out of existence

Exactly. The same will happen if we ban guns.
http://www.2acheck.com/?attachment_id=1069

[BK117B2]

Tricking a guy into having sex with her, Sex that later ruined his life.

He was the responsible adult in the equation, not her.

She's the one who committed rape by deception, not him

[New Benian Republic]

Of course, nudity will simply stop existing, as will cameras.

Damn, those are some insane laws if they can phase shit out of existence

If anything it will become horrible as those used in black market porn would be sex slaves (Not the kinky thing) who do not have the power to stop doing pornography.

[Chessmistress]

Damn, those are some insane laws if they can phase shit out of existence

Exactly. The same will happen if we ban guns.
http://www.2acheck.com/?attachment_id=1069

Indeed: guns are strictly regulated in Europe, and in ALL the countries roughly comparable to USA there are FAR less homicides per capita (Portugal, Spain, France, UK, Italy, Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Denmark, Sweden and Norway, in example)
I don't even bother to source it: everybody knows.

Thank you for proving my point.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Exactly. The same will happen if we ban guns.
http://www.2acheck.com/?attachment_id=1069

Indeed: guns are strictly regulated in Europe, and in ALL the countries rioughly comparable to USA there are FAR less homicides per capita.
I don't even bother to source it: everybody knows.

Thank you for proving my point.

Answer my damn question please, I really want to know what you think.

[The Cobalt Sky]

Exactly. The same will happen if we ban guns.
http://www.2acheck.com/?attachment_id=1069

Indeed: guns are strictly regulated in Europe, and in ALL the countries rioughly comparable to USA there are FAR less homicides per capita.
I don't even bother to source it: everybody knows.

Thank you for proving my point.

Oh my God... I suggest you click the source. I think it might give you more clarity as to what my actual opinion is.

[BK117B2]

"That's just only the beginning".

I can't help but think it suggests that women will start openly oppressing men. That for some reason, once we reach the delightful goal of fair, true equality, that we should not stop and flip the tables because fuck you.

Wrong, it suggests that women will start openly oppressing rapists and harassers and every kind of abusers - not men
"That's just only the beginning" is referred to the fact that the poster said 50 years ago it was normal to rape a 14 yo child, and now it's illegal.
That's just only the beginning.
In example I hope that a day light harassment like whistles will be subject to a fine: a fine, nothing special - in some countries you're fined if you throw little crap in the street, why males shouldn't be fined if they whistle to a woman? That's oppression or fairness according you?

I don't know. I'd kind of be okay with it if they incorporated chains and whips into their domination. If that's actually what Chess wants, then I don't see why everyone is so opposed to it.

Radical Feminists opposes BDSM.
That's likely to be subject to severe limitations in the future, I think.

Join the Patriarchy, we have porn.

Indeed, when patriarchy will end, porn will be outlawed.

And yet recognizing that the sex offender registry system as it is would only encourage people to reoffend or in some cases Actually Offend at the same time. It's either cognitive dissonance or pure bullshit at work.

It's not cognitive dissonance.
I admit I never thought about the fact you highlighted, and you're right: the sex offender registry system as it is would only encourage people to reoffend, maybe even more.
Frankly, I don't think that a male who was properly punished and even rehabilitated should be in a sex offender registry, at least not subject to the somewhat crazy rules as you describe. That's counter-productive.
Also, in example, I cannot even get the meaning of that measure: a male rape an adult woman, both are 25 yo or something like that, the woman apparently gave her consent but she was drunk. Okay, he's a rapist.
But, then, why he should be keeped away from schools? He's a rapist but not a paedophile.
In a similar case I think that a short rehabilitation program, something like 4-5 years, including at least 2 years of chemical castration, should work much better. Then, after that, he should be again a productive member of the society. Without need to being in a sex offenders registry.
Of course, for paedophiles I think there should be death penalty, and also for rapists who rape women who are actively opposing them or who drug women on purpose. A male who rape a woman who is drunk by her own and apparently even happy with him, well, that deserve a very different
treatment, rehabilitation.
I have a different opinion about the most severe cases of harassment, but it's not the case to highlight it.

Hmmm, so a repeal of the 1st Amendment, bans on porn (and an utterly nonsensical claim that porn only exists because of patriarchy), sexist laws with punishments based on the sex of the offender.....your proposed future would be pretty regressive and oppressive

[Chessmistress]

Indeed: guns are strictly regulated in Europe, and in ALL the countries rioughly comparable to USA there are FAR less homicides per capita.
I don't even bother to source it: everybody knows.

Thank you for proving my point.

Answer my damn question please, I really want to know what you think.

What question?

[Imperializt Russia]

Okay I've brought this up a thousand times and you've never answered. Are you really naive enough to think porn will just go away when you outlaw it?

Of course, nudity will simply stop existing, as will cameras.

God forbid people might actually get off on having people stare at them.
Pretty sure there's an entire genre for that.

I wonder where sexting falls in the "no fun porn allowed" stakes.