Man has consensual sex with '17' year old, now a crime

[Ethel mermania]

Uh, yeah, when you're talking about consent to sex, they certainly are.

How so? Maybe you could expand on your argument linking capacity to lie to get sex and capacity to consent to sex.

Hey baby, wanna come up to my crib to see my fingerpaintings?

[The Cobalt Sky]

How so? Maybe you could expand on your argument linking capacity to lie to get sex and capacity to consent to sex.

Hey baby, wanna come up to my crib to see my fingerpaintings?

I was going to make a joke about suckling after I heard that, but I feel like I shouldn't test the waters this time.

[Celsuis]

From OP's post, it seems that the prosecutors lacked the necessary mens rea to have a legitimate conviction. The conviction should be thrown out.

[Ayreonia]

What the shit? If anything, the girl is the one to blame here. She committed rape by fraud.

[The New Sea Territory]

No harm was committed, whether she was 14 or 17. The man is innocent, and a "sex offense" other than actual, violent rape or child molestation (a 14 year old is not comparable to an 11 year old, or a 7 year old) is complete bullshit.

The fact that completely nonviolent, consensual sex can be considered "rape" disgusts me.

[The New Sea Territory]

The title is misleading. He fucked a 14 year old who said she was 17, right? Nice downplaying of the child molesting.

How dare two individuals engage knowingly in sexual intercourse without approval from broader society! Muh morals!

[Geilinor]

The title is misleading. He fucked a 14 year old who said she was 17, right? Nice downplaying of the child molesting.

How dare two individuals engage knowingly in sexual intercourse without approval from broader society! Muh morals!

Are you suggesting no age of consent?

[The New Sea Territory]

How dare two individuals engage knowingly in sexual intercourse without approval from broader society! Muh morals!

Are you suggesting no age of consent?

The age of consent should be very low. 14.

[The Cobalt Sky]

Are you suggesting no age of consent?

The age of consent should be very low. 14.

Nah...

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

How dare two individuals engage knowingly in sexual intercourse without approval from broader society! Muh morals!

Are you suggesting no age of consent?

I'm suggesting that the charges get thrown out considering he had no reason to believe that she was underage and she lied to him, basically forcing him to commit a crime he didn't know he was committing. Considering she lied to him, she didn't have proper consent to have sex with him, either.

[Mysterious Stranger 2]

Yo, I don't think a girl saying she's 17 is a sufficient defense against statutory rape charges. That shit is your responsibility- don't have sex with somebody if you don't know old they are. Otherwise we're putting the burden of proof on underage kids to communicate their ages or sex with them doesn't count as rape- when we've already said that they're not old enough to consent to sex. The whole point is that they're not old enough to handle the responsibility of making sure adults don't have sex with them, it's the adult's responsibility to make sure they're not having sex with children.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

It's a bit like getting busted for eating a pot brownie after being told that it doesn't have drugs in it.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Yo, I don't think a girl saying she's 17 is a sufficient defense against statutory rape charges. That shit is your responsibility- don't have sex with somebody if you don't know old they are. Otherwise we're putting the burden of proof on underage kids to communicate their ages or sex with them doesn't count as rape- when we've already said that they're not old enough to consent to sex. The whole point is that they're not old enough to handle the responsibility of making sure adults don't have sex with them, it's the adult's responsibility to make sure they're not having sex with children.

You're right. He should have used his psychic powers to determine whether or not this person (who he had no reason to believe was lying to him) was not telling the truth.

[Mysterious Stranger 2]

Yo, I don't think a girl saying she's 17 is a sufficient defense against statutory rape charges. That shit is your responsibility- don't have sex with somebody if you don't know old they are. Otherwise we're putting the burden of proof on underage kids to communicate their ages or sex with them doesn't count as rape- when we've already said that they're not old enough to consent to sex. The whole point is that they're not old enough to handle the responsibility of making sure adults don't have sex with them, it's the adult's responsibility to make sure they're not having sex with children.

You're right. He should have used his psychic powers to determine whether or not this person (who he had no reason to believe was lying to him) was not telling the truth.

Ooh, I'll tell that to the judge next time I rape a ten year old. What, was I supposed to use my psychic powers to know she was 10? She never told me.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

You're right. He should have used his psychic powers to determine whether or not this person (who he had no reason to believe was lying to him) was not telling the truth.

Ooh, I'll tell that to the judge next time I rape a ten year old. What, was I supposed to use my psychic powers to know she was 10? She never told me.

Except that she lied to him, he had proof she lied, and a pubescent 14 year old can be mistaken for an adult whereas it's much harder to mistake a pre-pubescent 10 year old for an adult.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

You're right. He should have used his psychic powers to determine whether or not this person (who he had no reason to believe was lying to him) was not telling the truth.

Ooh, I'll tell that to the judge next time I rape a ten year old. What, was I supposed to use my psychic powers to know she was 10? She never told me.

There's a lot of ten year old kids you know who could pass for seventeen? I mean, I've known a number of fourteen and fifteen year old teens who could do so, but not many ten year old kids.

[Gauthier]

It's a bit like getting busted for eating a pot brownie after being told that it doesn't have drugs in it.

But it's obviously your fault for not detecting the THC in the brownie. Not having lab equipments on hand is no excuse! After all nobody *forced* you to eat the brownie. People have to eat every food they come across, and then they cry "WHY!?"

[Lunalia]

You're right. He should have used his psychic powers to determine whether or not this person (who he had no reason to believe was lying to him) was not telling the truth.

Ooh, I'll tell that to the judge next time I rape a ten year old. What, was I supposed to use my psychic powers to know she was 10? She never told me.

This 14 year old explicitly told him that she was 17 though. She lied to get on the site where he encountered her. He had every reason to believe that simply because she was on that site, that she was telling the truth about her age.

Flight attendants STILL tell me to get out of the emergency exit row on airplanes because they think I'm under 15, and I am TWENTY FIVE. There was a girl I knew in high school, who successfully sneaked her way into her brother's college age acquaintances' beds and had sex with them throughout all four years of high school. They didn't realize she was a freshman/sophomore until she told them, and were horrified when they found out. It really is possible for people to look significantly older or younger than their age.

If you're in a club where everyone has to be 21 because there's alcohol, you shouldn't have to stop to think if the person who is flirting with you and wants to have sex with you is old enough, because they are in the area where you have to be 21 and older to even be there. Perhaps stop and think about whether they've consumed too much alcohol, but not wonder about how old they are. She lied about her age to get onto the part of the dating site where she met him. Maybe she is too young to consent and needs serious therapy to point out to her why this was such a bad thing to do, but he is also not at fault for trusting in the age checks on the site.

[United States of Conner]

It's a bit like getting busted for eating a pot brownie after being told that it doesn't have drugs in it.

But it's obviously your fault for not detecting the THC in the brownie. Not having lab equipments on hand is no excuse! After all nobody *forced* you to eat the brownie. People have to eat every food they come across, and then they cry "WHY!?"

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[MERIZoC]

It's a bit like getting busted for eating a pot brownie after being told that it doesn't have drugs in it.

And then being told that you raped the brownie.

[Greater Tezdrian]

It's a bit like getting busted for eating a pot brownie after being told that it doesn't have drugs in it.

And then being told that you raped the brownie.

It frightens me how much I agree with you, Merizoc, when your political views usually merit at least a half-hearted death threat on my part.

[MERIZoC]

And then being told that you raped the brownie.

It frightens me how much I agree with you, Merizoc, when your political views usually merit at least a half-hearted death threat on my part.

I love you too.

[United States Kingdom]

1. If you understand what the mother is saying, and what it means, then how does it not matter?

Because the mother's opinion doesn't matter. It's irrelevant to the case.

2. So I guess the girl gets away with a free pass for lying about her age.

I don't know if it's a free pass, but I'm not sure what the punishment might be for minors, lying.

1. The mother's opinion isn't irrelevant. Fact of the matter is, if another situation like this comes up, the mother has the potential to determine a case, and influence the judge's verdict. If a man had committed a horrible crime to someone, and people wanted the person that committed that crime to be dead, and undergo the death sentence, the dead victim's mother can be able to influence the case, by stating that she does not support the death sentence. That goes for the father as well. If you think that the mother's opinion is irrelevant, then in your opinion, the parents, family members of the victims in Charleston's opinion are irrelevant as well.

2. It is a free pass, since the girl isn't being punished at all. The girl was an asshole for what she did.

[Lunalia]

Because the mother's opinion doesn't matter. It's irrelevant to the case.



I don't know if it's a free pass, but I'm not sure what the punishment might be for minors, lying.

1. The mother's opinion isn't irrelevant. Fact of the matter is, if another situation like this comes up, the mother has the potential to determine a case, and influence the judge's verdict. If a man had committed a horrible crime to someone, and people wanted the person that committed that crime to be dead, and undergo the death sentence, the dead victim's mother can be able to influence the case, by stating that she does not support the death sentence. That goes for the father as well. If you think that the mother's opinion is irrelevant, then in your opinion, the parents, family members of the victims in Charleston's opinion are irrelevant as well.

2. It is a free pass, since the girl isn't being punished at all. The girl was an asshole for what she did.

I personally feel that there may be something wrong in the head of girls who do things like this.

In my school system, starting in sixth grade we had "health" classes, where police officers would come in and give guest presentations about statutory rape, age of consent laws, and what is and is not legal. The classes covered everything that could possibly be considered sexual harassment or rape. And yet, the previously mentioned in my previous post girl in my year knowingly used the fact that she could pass for eighteen to have sex with college age boys. Then she'd brag to her friends at the lunch table about her latest "conquest". Knowing that this was wrong, and simply laughing when I asked what would happen to the young man if anyone else found out. In her senior year of high school she got pregnant, and told everyone she was raped. Then a year later I heard her telling her friends that she hadn't been raped, she had just said that because she got pregnant so she could be the generous teenage mother who gives her baby for adoption to a new loving family even though she was raped, instead of the teenager who had sex and got pregnant.

There was clearly something wrong with this girl, and she clearly needed mental help. However, reporting her to someone who could possibly see that she got the therapy she needed would also ruin the lives of the men she said she had sex with. It was made very clear to her, time and time again, that having sex with someone who was over eighteen could bring harmful consequences down upon the head of the person who was older than eighteen. Nothing, on the other hand, would be done to her. And thus she didn't care.

For this reason, if there is evidence that she did, in fact, say that she was not fourteen (didn't that dating site profile list her as being seventeen? That's not he said she said, that's physical evidence).... maybe he should be punished for not making sure, but not to the point of being put on the sex offender registry, and she should be punished too for lying about her age knowing that he could get punished for her lies.

edit: while I feel that it's equally likely that there could be underage boys who also do this, my experience was growing up around underage girls who exhibited this behavior pattern. If there were equivalent boys at my school who did this, I didn't interact with them.

[Keyboard Warriors]

Because the mother's opinion doesn't matter. It's irrelevant to the case.



I don't know if it's a free pass, but I'm not sure what the punishment might be for minors, lying.

1. The mother's opinion isn't irrelevant. Fact of the matter is, if another situation like this comes up, the mother has the potential to determine a case, and influence the judge's verdict. If a man had committed a horrible crime to someone, and people wanted the person that committed that crime to be dead, and undergo the death sentence, the dead victim's mother can be able to influence the case, by stating that she does not support the death sentence. That goes for the father as well. If you think that the mother's opinion is irrelevant, then in your opinion, the parents, family members of the victims in Charleston's opinion are irrelevant as well.

2. It is a free pass, since the girl isn't being punished at all. The girl was an asshole for what she did.

I don't see anything about this case that suggests deliberate entrapment. You can't punish her for not being able to give consent, something she has no choice over.