Race and IQ

[Vassenor]

so are people really trying to reason with a clear racists

Boredom, mainly.

[The Cobalt Sky]

Or we should correct him. Can't let thinking like this persist.

You're in for some major disappointment if you think swaying racists is generally feasible through strength of argument.

Reason? Oh no, I meant plaster this forum full of our opinions until he can't keep up with responses or just outlast him. That's what I was planning, at least.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Are you seriously advocating phrenology right now?

Really?

They've been advocating phrenology for the entire thread. Their entire argument is predicated on the idea that "black people have different shaped skulls to white people so clearly black people are stupid".

...wasn't this pseudoscience pretty widely rejected by Western psychiatry by the early twentieth century?

Good fuck, next thing you know, we're going to have people on here advocating for spontaneous generation.

[Vassenor]

You're in for some major disappointment if you think swaying racists is generally feasible through strength of argument.

Reason? Oh no, I meant plaster this forum full of our opinions until he can't keep up with responses or just outlast him. That's what I was planning, at least.

Works for me.

[Norepinephrinistania]

How can environment be the essential key to why the black-white IQ gap is false, when intelligence is 50-80% genetic?

Because intelligence is not 50-80% genetic.

Not only that, but the mean starting age of this study was 64. The authors were looking into cognitive abilities and variance as people age. It's almost as though this guy just throws out sources without reading them.

Identical twins—Reared together .86
Identical twins—Reared apart .76
Fraternal twins—Reared together .55
Fraternal twins—Reared apart .35
Biological siblings—Reared together .47
Biological siblings—Reared apart .24
Unrelated children—Reared together—Children .28
Unrelated children—Reared together—Adults .04
Cousins .15
Parent-child—Living together .42
Parent-child—Living apart .22
Adoptive parent–child—Living together .19

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritabil ... man2009-58

Intelligence is clearly more genetic than social.

[The Cobalt Sky]

so are people really trying to reason with a clear racists

Boredom, mainly.

It's enjoyable for me, at least. It's like Eric Cartman. You love to point out how much of a hypocrite he is, but he never becomes aware of it.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Not for one second, but I do believe in holding people's feet to the fire when they make outrageous claims.

Yeah, me too.

Sometimes just to see them eventually break down with a "i don't have to source shit you idiot," or something along those lines.

so are people really trying to reason with a clear racists

Welcome to a typical summer day on NSG.

[Vassenor]

Also, I'm still waiting for an answer to this one.

OK, let me ask you a specific question, OP.

What qualifications do you hold that make you an authority on this subject?

[The Cobalt Sky]

Don't pretend you actually expect them to be provided, Yumyum.

Not for one second, but I do believe in holding people's feet to the fire when they make outrageous claims.

This. Definitely this.

[Caracasus]

Reason? Oh no, I meant plaster this forum full of our opinions until he can't keep up with responses or just outlast him. That's what I was planning, at least.

Works for me.

Sounds like a plan. It's been fun watching y'all baffle this guy with the deviously cunning strategy of asking for basic facts to support his outlandish claims, and you know, that fiendish underhand tactic of backing up your own arguments with actual scientific fact but I'm off to bed.

Bet this thread is locked when I wake up.

[Norepinephrinistania]

Don't pretend you actually expect them to be provided, Yumyum.

Not for one second, but I do believe in holding people's feet to the fire when they make outrageous claims.

IQ tests are inherently not cultural. They aren't even verbal.

[Imperializt Russia]

Because when you enter a home, you don't enter a void of space separate from the space-time of the rest of the universe.

How can environment be the essential key to why the black-white IQ gap is false, when intelligence is 50-80% genetic?

That one's been refuted like, four times too.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

All this talk of skull makes mewant to spill blood in the name of Khorne.

[The Cobalt Sky]

Works for me.

Sounds like a plan. It's been fun watching y'all baffle this guy with the deviously cunning strategy of asking for basic facts to support his outlandish claims, and you know, that fiendish underhand tactic of backing up your own arguments with actual scientific fact but I'm off to bed.

Bet this thread is locked when I wake up.

Why? It's not descending into chaos, because I'm pretty sure there's been no name calling by way of flaming.

[Tsaraine]

Or we should correct him. Can't let thinking like this persist.

You're in for some major disappointment if you think swaying racists is generally feasible through strength of argument.

Word of Max is that NS should serve as a place where any ideology can be put forth and debated, on the grounds that it is better to defeat the ignorant and wrongheaded in the light of day than allow them to fester in the dark; and that, even if people wedded to ignorance and hate cannot be swayed, there is an invisible audience of readers who can be moved by good argument.

This means that racism, or sexism, or other -isms cannot be defeated once and for all - for one thing, more -ists are always popping up like mushrooms from the night soil, and for another, the process of defeating them is in itself a good to be cherished. So fight the good fight, and be not dismayed - for by the Flynn effect and numerous other statistics we see that society continues to advance, little by little, towards a more perfect state. Some parts and some people may be mired in the past; but time takes them further from us, and bears witness to the elevation of the whole.

[Norepinephrinistania]

How can environment be the essential key to why the black-white IQ gap is false, when intelligence is 50-80% genetic?

That one's been refuted like, four times too.

Identical twins—Reared together .86
Identical twins—Reared apart .76
Fraternal twins—Reared together .55
Fraternal twins—Reared apart .35
Biological siblings—Reared together .47
Biological siblings—Reared apart .24
Unrelated children—Reared together—Children .28
Unrelated children—Reared together—Adults .04
Cousins .15
Parent-child—Living together .42
Parent-child—Living apart .22
Adoptive parent–child—Living together .19

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritabil ... man2009-58

Intelligence is clearly more genetic than social.

[Mavorpen]

Because intelligence is not 50-80% genetic.

Identical twins—Reared together .86
Identical twins—Reared apart .76
Fraternal twins—Reared together .55
Fraternal twins—Reared apart .35
Biological siblings—Reared together .47
Biological siblings—Reared apart .24
Unrelated children—Reared together—Children .28
Unrelated children—Reared together—Adults .04
Cousins .15
Parent-child—Living together .42
Parent-child—Living apart .22
Adoptive parent–child—Living together .19

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritabil ... man2009-58

Intelligence is clearly more genetic than social.

I like how you just plain ignored the fact you didn't read your own source and then cited some data that doesn't lead to the conclusion you want to peddle to us.

[Norepinephrinistania]

You're in for some major disappointment if you think swaying racists is generally feasible through strength of argument.

Word of Max is that NS should serve as a place where any ideology can be put forth and debated, on the grounds that it is better to defeat the ignorant and wrongheaded in the light of day than allow them to fester in the dark; and that, even if people wedded to ignorance and hate cannot be swayed, there is an invisible audience of readers who can be moved by good argument.

This means that racism, or sexism, or other -isms cannot be defeated once and for all - for one thing, more -ists are always popping up like mushrooms from the night soil, and for another, the process of defeating them is in itself a good to be cherished. So fight the good fight, and be not dismayed - for by the Flynn effect and numerous other statistics we see that society continues to advance, little by little, towards a more perfect state. Some parts and some people may be mired in the past; but time takes them further from us, and bears witness to the elevation of the whole.

Trying to take the moral high ground doesn't make you right. Racialism is on the rise in many parts of Europe. The truth is neither compassionate nor cruel.

[Nelson R Mandela]

Works for me.

Sounds like a plan. It's been fun watching y'all baffle this guy with the deviously cunning strategy of asking for basic facts to support his outlandish claims, and you know, that fiendish underhand tactic of backing up your own arguments with actual scientific fact but I'm off to bed.

Bet this thread is locked when I wake up.

Nah. I left for like 4-5 hours and when I came back OP was still at it.

[Vassenor]

The truth is neither compassionate nor cruel.

So why do you keep ignoring the truth that Black people are equal to White people?

[Norepinephrinistania]

Identical twins—Reared together .86
Identical twins—Reared apart .76
Fraternal twins—Reared together .55
Fraternal twins—Reared apart .35
Biological siblings—Reared together .47
Biological siblings—Reared apart .24
Unrelated children—Reared together—Children .28
Unrelated children—Reared together—Adults .04
Cousins .15
Parent-child—Living together .42
Parent-child—Living apart .22
Adoptive parent–child—Living together .19

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritabil ... man2009-58

Intelligence is clearly more genetic than social.

I like how you just plain ignored the fact you didn't read your own source and then cited some data that doesn't lead to the conclusion you want to peddle to us.

Then why do unrelated children reared together have much less in common in terms of intelligence than identical twins raised apart?
Dismissive reply.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Not for one second, but I do believe in holding people's feet to the fire when they make outrageous claims.

IQ tests are inherently not cultural. They aren't even verbal.

....

Have you ever taken one of these tests? You're simply wrong.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Trying to take the moral high ground doesn't make you right. Racialism is on the rise in many parts of Europe. The truth is neither compassionate nor cruel.

This speaks terribly for Europeans.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Word of Max is that NS should serve as a place where any ideology can be put forth and debated, on the grounds that it is better to defeat the ignorant and wrongheaded in the light of day than allow them to fester in the dark; and that, even if people wedded to ignorance and hate cannot be swayed, there is an invisible audience of readers who can be moved by good argument.

This means that racism, or sexism, or other -isms cannot be defeated once and for all - for one thing, more -ists are always popping up like mushrooms from the night soil, and for another, the process of defeating them is in itself a good to be cherished. So fight the good fight, and be not dismayed - for by the Flynn effect and numerous other statistics we see that society continues to advance, little by little, towards a more perfect state. Some parts and some people may be mired in the past; but time takes them further from us, and bears witness to the elevation of the whole.

Trying to take the moral high ground doesn't make you right. Racialism is on the rise in many parts of Europe. The truth is neither compassionate nor cruel.

Trying to take the moral high ground does not always make you right. That is, regrettably, quite true.

However, intentionally taking the moral low ground will always make you wrong.

[Mavorpen]

Then why do unrelated children reared together have much less in common in terms of intelligence than identical twins raised apart?

Hell if I know, and I'm not going to speculate based on nothing. Because that's unscientific.

Dismissive reply.

Failing to reply at all.