Race and IQ

[Norepinephrinistania]

That's essentially a viewpoint descended from Marxism.

No, it's a viewpoint descended from the realization that while not all cultures may be "equal", the IQ test as presented today represents knowledge of a particular sort gained in a specific sort of environment, and that intelligence will express itself in different ways depending upon one's particular cultural standards and one's environment. That's not Marxism. That's Cultural Anthropology 101.

General brain functionality is not subjective and not tied to culture.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

Even if this were true, and I'm by no means accepting that it is, what does that actually mean in regard to what policies we should pursue regarding race and education?

[Mavorpen]

No, it's a viewpoint descended from the realization that while not all cultures may be "equal", the IQ test as presented today represents knowledge of a particular sort gained in a specific sort of environment, and that intelligence will express itself in different ways depending upon one's particular cultural standards and one's environment. That's not Marxism. That's Cultural Anthropology 101.

General brain functionality is not subjective and not tied to culture.

Well then it's a good thing that IQ tests don't measure that, then.

[Norepinephrinistania]

Even if this were true, and I'm by no means accepting that it is, what does that actually mean in regard to what policies we should pursue regarding race and education?

1. End affirmative action.
2, Put tracking back in schools. It is banned in many school districts because too few minorities got into the gifted programs.
3. Acknowledge that we can't fix lower black achievement without genetic intervention.

At the very least.

[Norepinephrinistania]

General brain functionality is not subjective and not tied to culture.

Well then it's a good thing that IQ tests don't measure that, then.

How does it not?

[The Cobalt Sky]

Are you seriously suggesting brain size correlates to intelligence?

Edit: This thread should die.

Or we should correct him. Can't let thinking like this persist.

[Norepinephrinistania]

Are you seriously suggesting brain size correlates to intelligence?

Edit: This thread should die.

Or we should correct him. Can't let thinking like this persist.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9604001357

[Vassenor]

Are you seriously suggesting brain size correlates to intelligence?

Edit: This thread should die.

Or we should correct him. Can't let thinking like this persist.

We're arguing with a brick wall here. That's not going to achieve anything.

[Unholy Byzantium]

Ok that doesn't answer my question. You stated that early onset puberty is a sign of decreased intelligence. You then stated that Black people go through puberty first with a study that suggests BMI also plays a heavy role. Now you are saying that BMI is caused by estrogen.
So if early puberty actually is linked to decreased intelligence, then why are only black people considered less intelligent rather than people with high BMIs and/or increased estrogen?

Also where is the evidence that animals with smaller skulls develop faster. Horses have bigger heads and they are fully mature at five years old.

No, the fat itself produces estrogen.
Once more, commonly known if you have half an education.

Oh look, name calling and insults.
Where is the pyramid when you need it.

[Mavorpen]

Well then it's a good thing that IQ tests don't measure that, then.

How does it not?

It would help that you, you know, actually read.

Maybe the answer will come to you then.

[The Cobalt Sky]

Or we should correct him. Can't let thinking like this persist.

We're arguing with a brick wall here. That's not going to achieve anything.

Let's not give up too quickly.

Even if this were true, and I'm by no means accepting that it is, what does that actually mean in regard to what policies we should pursue regarding race and education?

I'm assuming some sort of camps. To help the slow ones concentrate.

[Grave_n_idle]

Well then it's a good thing that IQ tests don't measure that, then.

How does it not?

I already sourced that for you.

[Imperializt Russia]

Even if this were true, and I'm by no means accepting that it is, what does that actually mean in regard to what policies we should pursue regarding race and education?

1. End affirmative action.
2, Put tracking back in schools. It is banned in many school districts because too few minorities got into the gifted programs.
3. Acknowledge that we can't fix lower black achievement without genetic intervention.

At the very least.

Affirmative action is not preferential treatment for minorities.
Because even with it, they are still woefully underrepresented.

This is not "preferential".

[The Cobalt Sky]

Or we should correct him. Can't let thinking like this persist.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9604001357

An abstract?

[Vassenor]

We're arguing with a brick wall here. That's not going to achieve anything.

Let's not give up too quickly.

Even if this were true, and I'm by no means accepting that it is, what does that actually mean in regard to what policies we should pursue regarding race and education?

I'm assuming some sort of camps. To help the slow ones concentrate.

We've been at this for ten hours. At what point does it stop being "too quickly"?

[Norepinephrinistania]

Or we should correct him. Can't let thinking like this persist.

We're arguing with a brick wall here. That's not going to achieve anything.

I can never understand how liberals think the very size of your brain has no influence on your IQ, and that genetics mean nothing in regard to IQ. It shows the influence of Marxism and SJW junk on modern American liberalism.

[Vassenor]

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9604001357

An abstract?

An abstract that vaguely supports his argument, even though the full article's actually very poorly written.

[Mavorpen]

We're arguing with a brick wall here. That's not going to achieve anything.

I can never understand how liberals think the very size of your brain has no influence on your IQ, and that genetics mean nothing in regard to IQ. It shows the influence of Marxism and SJW junk on modern American liberalism.

"EWWW COOTIES!"

[Vassenor]

We're arguing with a brick wall here. That's not going to achieve anything.

I can never understand how liberals think the very size of your brain has no influence on your IQ, and that genetics mean nothing in regard to IQ. It shows the influence of Marxism and SJW junk on modern American liberalism.

I can never understand why some people will not accept that Phrenology has been deprecated for decades.

[The Cobalt Sky]

Let's not give up too quickly.

I'm assuming some sort of camps. To help the slow ones concentrate.

We've been at this for ten hours. At what point does it stop being "too quickly"?

I don't know. I feel like I can have fun with this. I haven't figured out quite how yet, but it's gonna be a good time. Trust me.

[Nikolausstadt]

Even if there's a difference... What's the big issue?

[Norepinephrinistania]

1. End affirmative action.
2, Put tracking back in schools. It is banned in many school districts because too few minorities got into the gifted programs.
3. Acknowledge that we can't fix lower black achievement without genetic intervention.

At the very least.

Affirmative action is not preferential treatment for minorities.
Because even with it, they are still woefully underrepresented.

This is not "preferential".

This is ridiculous.
Hypothetical:
Blacks are 13% of the population.
Blacks are 5% of college students.
We make the standards of admission half for black students. 10% are now black.
We didn't give them any preferential treatment because they're still underrepresented.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

We're arguing with a brick wall here. That's not going to achieve anything.

I can never understand how liberals think the very size of your brain has no influence on your IQ, and that genetics mean nothing in regard to IQ. It shows the influence of Marxism and SJW junk on modern American liberalism.

So you agree with the idea that Neanderthals were smarter than us? And that blue whales are twice as intelligent as we are?

[Norepinephrinistania]

Even if there's a difference... What's the big issue?

The decline of Western Civilization.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

1. End affirmative action.

From what I understand about how Affirmative Action is handled today, it applies only to candidates of roughly equal qualifications. Do you have any data that a black person and a white person with the same qualifications will still have a significant IQ gap?