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Postby Dragvania » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:38 pm

Zottistan wrote:If there is a geographical or racial relation to IQ, it's no small secret that white people tend to have more money than pretty much any other ethnic group, thus they tend to be better educated, thus they have higher average IQs.

IQ is also a really dumb way of measuring intelligence.

Agreed, IQ is dumb. True intelegence cannot be measured.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:38 pm

Centro-Progressive Peoples Entity wrote:
Flyover wrote:
It's not against the rules to be wrong and refuse to see evidence.
Even if that would be nice, I suppose. Unenforceable and subject to abuse, but nice.

"Once more, commonly known if you have half an education."
Silly ad hominem!

No, please call in the mods, this guy is:
-Ranting
-Racist
-Flaming

All of which are not allowed on the site.


Ranting and racist are both allowed. Where is he flaming?

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Postby Norepinephrinistania » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:38 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Norepinephrinistania wrote:Clearly satirical.

Clearly, you fucked up and in the heart of the moment cited "satire" as a scapegoat, even though you clearly don't understand it.
Norepinephrinistania wrote: Looks like I'm not the only one who's reading comprehension needs work.

You...did you just admit your reading comprehension is lacking?

That's absolutely beautiful and hilarious, but no, I think everyone here agrees that I'm just dandy when it comes to reading comprehension.

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Postby Caracasus » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:39 pm

Fiver says this thread is locked by the time I wake up.
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Postby Flyover » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:39 pm

Norepinephrinistania wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No I didn't. You'd know that if you read.

I don't feel bad about something I never said being wrong.

"Race don't real."

Clearly, the superior intelligence of the white race is hard at work.

Clearly satirical. Looks like I'm not the only one who's reading comprehension needs work.

How is race not real if puberty apparently varies by race?


Where's the satire here? Your spelling mistake? The arguments you've been making? Mavorpen's?

EDIT: "X Don't Real" is a way of making fun of SJWs who claim something don't real ad infinitum.

That's really lame satire, but you do you I guess...
Also: SJW is not an insult. Why do you keep using it?
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:39 pm

Norepinephrinistania wrote:"X Don't Real" is a way of making fun of SJWs who claim something don't real ad infinitum.

That's not satire. Not even close.
Norepinephrinistania wrote:Yes, I got a 30 on reading on the ACT, but that's not perfect. (36)

Suuure you did.
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Postby Norepinephrinistania » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:39 pm

Dragvania wrote:
Zottistan wrote:If there is a geographical or racial relation to IQ, it's no small secret that white people tend to have more money than pretty much any other ethnic group, thus they tend to be better educated, thus they have higher average IQs.

IQ is also a really dumb way of measuring intelligence.

Agreed, IQ is dumb. True intelegence cannot be measured.

That's essentially a viewpoint descended from Marxism.

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Postby Dragvania » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:39 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Centro-Progressive Peoples Entity wrote:No, please call in the mods, this guy is:
-Ranting
-Racist
-Flaming

All of which are not allowed on the site.

I think racism is flaming. I support any reports filed to the mods.

Ranting and racist are both allowed. Where is he flaming?

I think racism is flaming. I support fully that this is a flame forum.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:40 pm

Norepinephrinistania wrote:
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Herman-Giddens reiterated the well-known medical fact of earlier black puberty.

Which he stated, may also be influenced by environmental factors.

Not sure what this has to do with blacks and supposedly different intelligence either.
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Postby Flyover » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:41 pm

"That's essentially a viewpoint descended from Marxism."

Marx·ism
ˈmärkˌsizəm/
noun
the political and economic theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, later developed by their followers to form the basis for the theory and practice of communism.

You're really bad at insults. Try harder.
Also, you're really bad at understanding what exactly Marxism is.
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Postby Centro-Progressive Peoples Entity » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:41 pm

Norepinephrinistania wrote:
Centro-Progressive Peoples Entity wrote:No, please call in the mods, this guy is:
-Ranting
-Racist
-Flaming

All of which are not allowed on the site.

"Racism" is not against the rules.
A literal communist. Wonderful.

But you admit to everything else.

And thank you for calling me a communist, what a nice compliment.

And yes, racism is against the rules. Read the FAQ.
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Postby Caracasus » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:42 pm

Norepinephrinistania wrote:
Dragvania wrote:Agreed, IQ is dumb. True intelegence cannot be measured.

That's essentially a viewpoint descended from Marxism.


Ahh, no. No it's not.

And your argument of "Oh, it's associated with Marx - it must be bad!" is.... weird actually. A hell of a lot of social and political thought is descended from, or associated with Marxism - what with Marx (disagree or agree all you like) being one of the most influential social, economic and political thinkers of the modern era.

Try again.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:42 pm

Centro-Progressive Peoples Entity wrote:
Norepinephrinistania wrote:"Racism" is not against the rules.
A literal communist. Wonderful.

But you admit to everything else.

And thank you for calling me a communist, what a nice compliment.

And yes, racism is against the rules. Read the FAQ.

Racism isn't against the rules. Using racism to flame, troll, etc. is against the rules.
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Postby Centro-Progressive Peoples Entity » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:43 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Centro-Progressive Peoples Entity wrote:But you admit to everything else.

And thank you for calling me a communist, what a nice compliment.

And yes, racism is against the rules. Read the FAQ.

Racism isn't against the rules. Using racism to flame, troll, etc. is against the rules.

huh

Well I always thought it t be against the rules. Even so, I feel as though this thread should be locked.
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Postby Flyover » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:44 pm

Centro-Progressive Peoples Entity wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Racism isn't against the rules. Using racism to flame, troll, etc. is against the rules.

huh

Well I always thought it t be against the rules. Even so, I feel as though this thread should be locked.

Being wrong isn't against the rules though, nor is bad debating.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:44 pm

Not sure if these got ignored deliberately for not agreeing with the OP's hypothesis or because they got passed over, but here's two journals I found in less than half an hour that disagree with the OP's argument.

Sorry, wrong numbers: An analysis of a study of a correlation between skin color and IQ
Race, IQ, and the search for statistical signals associated with so-called ‘‘X’’-factors: environments, racism, and the ‘‘hereditarian hypothesis’’
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Postby Norepinephrinistania » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:44 pm

Caracasus wrote:
Norepinephrinistania wrote:That's essentially a viewpoint descended from Marxism.


Ahh, no. No it's not.

And your argument of "Oh, it's associated with Marx - it must be bad!" is.... weird actually. A hell of a lot of social and political thought is descended from, or associated with Marxism - what with Marx (disagree or agree all you like) being one of the most influential social, economic and political thinkers of the modern era.

Try again.

Some of his ideas yes, but his theoretical stuff was very silly.

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Postby Caracasus » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:45 pm

Vassenor wrote:Not sure if these got ignored deliberately for not agreeing with the OP's hypothesis or because they got passed over, but here's two journals I found in less than half an hour that disagree with the OP's argument.

Sorry, wrong numbers: An analysis of a study of a correlation between skin color and IQ
Race, IQ, and the search for statistical signals associated with so-called ‘‘X’’-factors: environments, racism, and the ‘‘hereditarian hypothesis’’


It'll be deliberately ignored, of course. This is the cherry picking school of mental acrobatics our OP has attended.
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Postby Bogdanov Vishniac » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:45 pm

Norepinephrinistania wrote:
Dragvania wrote:Agreed, IQ is dumb. True intelegence cannot be measured.

That's essentially a viewpoint descended from Marxism.


"The [IQ] scale, properly speaking, does not permit the measure of the intelligence [of a subject], because intellectual qualities are not superposable, and therefore cannot be measured as linear surfaces are measured."

~ Dr. Alfred Binet, inventor of the IQ test
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:45 pm

Centro-Progressive Peoples Entity wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Racism isn't against the rules. Using racism to flame, troll, etc. is against the rules.

huh

Well I always thought it t be against the rules. Even so, I feel as though this thread should be locked.

I mean, in an ideal world, I'd agree that it should be locked. The OP hasn't contributed anything for a while now. At least in the beginning his bullshit was fresh. Now it's been sitting in one place for what seems like days without cleaning it up and at the very least presenting new bullshit.
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Postby Norepinephrinistania » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:45 pm

Vassenor wrote:Not sure if these got ignored deliberately for not agreeing with the OP's hypothesis or because they got passed over, but here's two journals I found in less than half an hour that disagree with the OP's argument.

Sorry, wrong numbers: An analysis of a study of a correlation between skin color and IQ
Race, IQ, and the search for statistical signals associated with so-called ‘‘X’’-factors: environments, racism, and the ‘‘hereditarian hypothesis’’

Neither are very conclusive at all, and rely on the false premise that a racial/evolutionary understanding of biology must be wrong.

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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:46 pm

Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:
Norepinephrinistania wrote:That's essentially a viewpoint descended from Marxism.


"The [IQ] scale, properly speaking, does not permit the measure of the intelligence [of a subject], because intellectual qualities are not superposable, and therefore cannot be measured as linear surfaces are measured."

~ Dr. Alfred Binet, inventor of the IQ test

Ebil SJW Marxist.
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Postby Caracasus » Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:46 pm

Norepinephrinistania wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Ahh, no. No it's not.

And your argument of "Oh, it's associated with Marx - it must be bad!" is.... weird actually. A hell of a lot of social and political thought is descended from, or associated with Marxism - what with Marx (disagree or agree all you like) being one of the most influential social, economic and political thinkers of the modern era.

Try again.

Some of his ideas yes, but his theoretical stuff was very silly.


This coming from the person who thinks that black people are closer to chimpanzees? You know what, even if I wasn't a Marxist, I'd start considering it about now. Anyone you think is silly could likely be onto something.
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