Race and IQ

[Mavorpen]

Because I actually read my sources, other people's posts, and don't selectively avoid posts that I don't like?

So basically, you don't have a source. Got it.

“It may be largely genetic, as it is well known that different races have different timing in puberty, other factors being equal. But the variation also may be influenced by environmental factors,” Herman-Giddens said.

Congratulations, you have changed your claim, shifted the goal posts, and gave a link for something that no one was ever arguing about.

You must feel so proud of your intellectual dishonesty.

[Norepinephrinistania]

No, the fat itself produces estrogen.
Once more, commonly known if you have half an education.

...Wait, what?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estrogen#Biosynthesis

Estrogens, in females, are produced primarily by the ovaries, and during pregnancy, the placenta. Follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) stimulates the ovarian production of estrogens by the granulosa cells of the ovarian follicles and corpora lutea. Some estrogens are also produced in smaller amounts by other tissues such as the liver, adrenal glands, and the breasts. These secondary sources of estrogens are especially important in postmenopausal women. Fat cells produce estrogen as well.[10]

Fat cells can convert Androgens into Estrogen. They don't produce it themselves.

Yes, in simpler terms they "produce" it.

[Mavorpen]

Herman-Giddens reiterated the well-known medical fact of earlier black puberty.

Have you forgotten already that that's not what we're debating?

[Norepinephrinistania]

“It may be largely genetic, as it is well known that different races have different timing in puberty, other factors being equal. But the variation also may be influenced by environmental factors,” Herman-Giddens said.

Congratulations, you have changed your claim, shifted the goal posts, and gave a link for something that no one was ever arguing about.

You must feel so proud of your intellectual dishonesty.

You said blacks don't have eairlier puberty. Any doctor, esp. pediatrician, could tell you that's wrong.

You don't like it because it contradicts ego-stroking SJW bullshit that race don't real.

[Aggicificicerous]

I have no scientific training beyond high school (other than some amateur study), and even I was able to point out where he got something completely wrong after reviewing the abstract.

That puts you at a considerable advantage over the OP.

So Neanderthals were smarting than Cro Magnons. Accepted fact?

Well, they did end up getting beaten =P

See? Cro Magnons can't even use their own languages well. I bet Neanderthals never made embarrassing mistakes like that.

[Vassenor]

You said blacks don't have eairlier puberty. Any doctor, esp. pediatrician, could tell you that's wrong.

You don't like it because it contradicts ego-stroking SJW bullshit that race don't real.

Can you cite a source that's not an Op-Ed from a local newspaper? If it's as widely known a fact as you say it is then it shouldn't be hard to find one.

[Flyover]

Congratulations, you have changed your claim, shifted the goal posts, and gave a link for something that no one was ever arguing about.

You must feel so proud of your intellectual dishonesty.

You said blacks don't have eairlier puberty. Any doctor, esp. pediatrician, could tell you that's wrong.

You don't like it because it contradicts ego-stroking SJW bullshit that race don't real.

Who said that wasn't the case?

" SJW bullshit"
You don't even know what "SJW" is. You heard the word once and think it means literally Hitler when it really doesn't mean much of anything.

[Harkback Union]

Dear OP, It appears you have just opened Pandora's box.
NS meltdown imminent.

[Fremont Forest]

You don't like it because it contradicts ego-stroking SJW bullshit the scientific consensus that race don't real.

It does nothing of the sort.

[Centro-Progressive Peoples Entity]

This is NSG, there's no such thing as thread ownership.

Just call in the mods.

It's not against the rules to be wrong and refuse to see evidence.
Even if that would be nice, I suppose. Unenforceable and subject to abuse, but nice.

"Once more, commonly known if you have half an education."
Silly ad hominem!

No, please call in the mods, this guy is:
-Ranting
-Racist
-Flaming

All of which are not allowed on the site.

[Norepinephrinistania]

You said blacks don't have eairlier puberty. Any doctor, esp. pediatrician, could tell you that's wrong.

You don't like it because it contradicts ego-stroking SJW bullshit that race don't real.

Who said that wasn't the case?

" SJW bullshit"
You don't even know what "SJW" is. You heard the word once and think it means literally Hitler when it really doesn't mean much of anything.

Mavopen. I wonder if Mav considers less neotony and earlier puberty to be superficial as well.

[Fremont Forest]

No, please call in the mods, this guy is:
-Ranting
-Racist
-Flaming

All of which are not allowed on the site.

If only.

[Caracasus]

Seriously, this entire thread is like trying to convince a very drunk, slightly belligerent person that they shouldn't drive home. It doesn't matter how much you throw at them in terms of actual real stuff, they keep on in the same "nahhhh I'm fine, iIve only had a few..." vein, flying in the face of all evidence to the contrary.

You realize that you don't win an argument by just saying the same thing over and over until everyone else just gives up in exasperation, right?

Quick roll call - who here has posted actual scientific evidence that directly contradicts the fundamentals of OP's argument?

[Norepinephrinistania]

It's not against the rules to be wrong and refuse to see evidence.
Even if that would be nice, I suppose. Unenforceable and subject to abuse, but nice.

"Once more, commonly known if you have half an education."
Silly ad hominem!

No, please call in the mods, this guy is:
-Ranting
-Racist
-Flaming

All of which are not allowed on the site.

"Racism" is not against the rules.
A literal communist. Wonderful.

[Vassenor]

Seriously, this entire thread is like trying to convince a very drunk, slightly belligerent person that they shouldn't drive home. It doesn't matter how much you throw at them in terms of actual real stuff, they keep on in the same "nahhhh I'm fine, iIve only had a few..." vein, flying in the face of all evidence to the contrary.

You realize that you don't win an argument by just saying the same thing over and over until everyone else just gives up in exasperation, right?

Quick roll call - who here has posted actual scientific evidence that directly contradicts the fundamentals of OP's argument?

*raises hand*

[Flyover]

It's not against the rules to be wrong and refuse to see evidence.
Even if that would be nice, I suppose. Unenforceable and subject to abuse, but nice.

"Once more, commonly known if you have half an education."
Silly ad hominem!

No, please call in the mods, this guy is:
-Ranting
-Racist
-Flaming

All of which are not allowed on the site.

Flaming maybe.
I don't think racism is actually against the rules, unless you go around and say stupid stuff like "kill da [social construct of choice]s" Could be wrong though.
I don't think bad debating counts as ranting, though.

[Mavorpen]

You said blacks don't have eairlier puberty.

No I didn't. You'd know that if you read my posts.

Any doctor, esp. pediatrician, could tell you that's wrong.

I don't feel bad about something I never said being wrong.

You don't like it because it contradicts ego-stroking SJW bullshit that race don't real.

"Race don't real."

Clearly, the superior intelligence of the white race is hard at work.

[Terminus Alpha]

Oh hi, racist.

Here are some links for you:

http://www.nature.com/news/poverty-shrinks-brains-from-birth-1.17227?WT.mc_id=TWT_NatureNews
https://apa.org/pi/families/resources/newsletter/2012/07/neurocognitive-impacts.aspx
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/268066.php
http://www.urbanchildinstitute.org/articles/research-to-policy/research/children-raised-in-poverty-are-at-greater-risk-for-developing
http://www.princeton.edu/futureofchildren/publications/journals/article/index.xml?journalid=53&articleid=287&sectionid=1889


In case you think that black people are inferior to you because your ancestors evolved harder:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3730125/

And because you think black people are inferior because genes:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1893020/

Now, mr. stormfront, please leave.

(Bonus: Africa had a lot of advanced civilizations, even outside of the totes-not-african-even-though-its-literally-on-the same-continent Egypt.)

Hey! You keep never addressing my points!

Also, calling out fallacies when you think you see one isn't a "i win debate" phrase. It's actually a fallacy itself.

[Grave_n_idle]

Source for what? You claim that IQ tests and SATs correlate?

"It also has little or nothing to do with reliable metrics of intelligence"
It obviously does. Where is your source it doesn't?

Ah, you missed the rhetoric device.

I'll get back to you on the sources for my claim, but I phrased it that way to point out you had already made an unsupported claim when you started asking for one from me.

I know you're not going to source your claim, because it's been your modus operandi all the way throughout the thread - I just wanted to make a point of highlighting it.

EDIT: source for my claim: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science ... gence.html

[Ethel mermania]

But summer is over! What quippy half-assed comment will I now use to provide this topic with the respect it deserves?

Luckily for you, in the rest of the non frozen world, summer is going strong, quippy away.

How 8 would answer is that the only thing an IQ test measures is the ability to take an IQ test. It is virtually impossible to create an culturally neutral test.

[Norepinephrinistania]

You said blacks don't have eairlier puberty.

No I didn't. You'd know that if you read.

Any doctor, esp. pediatrician, could tell you that's wrong.

I don't feel bad about something I never said being wrong.

You don't like it because it contradicts ego-stroking SJW bullshit that race don't real.

"Race don't real."

Clearly, the superior intelligence of the white race is hard at work.

Clearly satirical. Looks like I'm not the only one who's reading comprehension needs work.

How is race not real if puberty apparently varies by race?

[Terminus Alpha]

No I didn't. You'd know that if you read.

I don't feel bad about something I never said being wrong.

"Race don't real."

Clearly, the superior intelligence of the white race is hard at work.

Clearly satirical. Looks like I'm not the only one who's reading comprehension needs work.

Yeah, but you need it the most.

[Norepinephrinistania]

Clearly satirical. Looks like I'm not the only one who's reading comprehension needs work.

Yeah, but you need it the most.

And some are claiming I'm the flamer.
Debate content, not posters.

[Vassenor]

Race, IQ, and the search for statistical signals associated with so-called ‘‘X’’-factors: environments, racism, and the ‘‘hereditarian hypothesis’’

[Mavorpen]

Clearly satirical.

Clearly, you fucked up and in the heart of the moment cited "satire" as a scapegoat, even though you clearly don't understand it.

Looks like I'm not the only one who's reading comprehension needs work.

You...did you just admit your reading comprehension is lacking?

That's absolutely beautiful and hilarious, but no, I think everyone here agrees that I'm just dandy when it comes to reading comprehension.

How is race not real if puberty apparently varies by race?

How did aliens not build the pyramids if the government is hiding them from us?