Race and IQ

[Flyover]

No they won't.

The irony in someone who refuses to address the vast majority of the posts proving him wrong, presented fabricated data and admitted to not reading his own sources, repeatedly expresses a failure to effectively read other people's posts, etc. claiming to be educated and not anti-intellectual.

This is why I think you're an anti-intellecual. (Many communists were)
This is commonly accepted medical fact and you could see so just via a google search.

Silly ad-hominem

Also: Many communists were also dog lovers. Are all dog-lovers communists? (Not that anyone here sans you is anti-intellectual, of course)
And it's such common knowledge, you should be able to prove it.

[Centro-Progressive Peoples Entity]

Soooo how is this thread alive?

[Vassenor]

Soooo how is this thread alive?

Because OP refuses to accept that the evidence doesn't agree with them.

[Aggicificicerous]

"General cognitive ability yielded a heritability estimate of about .80 in two assessments 3 years apart as part of the Swedish Adoption/Twin Study of Aging."

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF01067188

When you actually read the source, it says that "about 80% of the total variance among individuals in this sample can be attributed to genetic differences among them", and that general cognition was the most heritable trait. That is not "IQ is 50-80% genetic".

Not only that, but the mean starting age of this study was 64. The authors were looking into cognitive abilities and variance as people age. It's almost as though this guy just throws out sources without reading them.

[Norepinephrinistania]

Neoteny is absolutely correlated with intelligence in both humans and animals.
Humans are much more neotenic than other apes.
Asians are the most neotenic and the smartest, followed by whites and blacks on both fronts.

So again, skull size is not a predictor of intelligence?

Adult skull size is (favors Asians, then whites, then blacks),
child skull size not so much.
Neoteny is just another factor predicting intelligence.
Again, accepted fact.

[Unholy Byzantium]

That study also cites BMI as being an important factor for the onset of puberty. So... does this mean fat people are stupid now too?

Fat=higher estrogen production.
Basic medical fact.

Ok that doesn't answer my question. You stated that early onset puberty is a sign of decreased intelligence. You then stated that Black people go through puberty first with a study that suggests BMI also plays a heavy role. Now you are saying that BMI is caused by estrogen.
So if early puberty actually is linked to decreased intelligence, then why are only black people considered less intelligent rather than people with high BMIs and/or increased estrogen?

Also where is the evidence that animals with smaller skulls develop faster. Horses have bigger heads and they are fully mature at five years old.

[Vassenor]

When you actually read the source, it says that "about 80% of the total variance among individuals in this sample can be attributed to genetic differences among them", and that general cognition was the most heritable trait. That is not "IQ is 50-80% genetic".

Not only that, but the mean starting age of this study was 64. The authors were looking into cognitive abilities and variance as people age. It's almost as though this guy just throws out sources without reading them.

More likely they're picking out Google results based purely on the title and maybe the abstract. Because it'd cost money to actually look at what the source says.

[Mavorpen]

This is why I think you're an anti-intellecual. (Many communists were)

Because I actually read my sources, other people's posts, and don't selectively avoid posts that I don't like?

This is commonly accepted medical fact and you could see so just via a google search.

So basically, you don't have a source. Got it.

[Aggicificicerous]

So again, skull size is not a predictor of intelligence?

Adult skull size is (favors Asians, then whites, then blacks),
child skull size not so much.
Neoteny is just another factor predicting intelligence.
Again, accepted fact.

So Neanderthals were smarter than Cro Magnons. Accepted fact?

[The Solar Cooperative Union]

So again, skull size is not a predictor of intelligence?

Adult skull size is (favors Asians, then whites, then blacks),
child skull size not so much.
Neoteny is just another factor predicting intelligence.
Again, accepted fact.

Accepted by who, you keep spewing these falsehoods then when a large number of people who are much smarter then you refute you with many different sources you just ignore it. Its pathetic.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

When you actually read the source, it says that "about 80% of the total variance among individuals in this sample can be attributed to genetic differences among them", and that general cognition was the most heritable trait. That is not "IQ is 50-80% genetic".

Not only that, but the mean starting age of this study was 64. The authors were looking into cognitive abilities and variance as people age. It's almost as though this guy just throws out sources without reading them.

I have no scientific training beyond high school (other than some amateur study), and even I was able to point out where he got something completely wrong after reviewing the abstract.

[Norepinephrinistania]

This is why I think you're an anti-intellecual. (Many communists were)
This is commonly accepted medical fact and you could see so just via a google search.

Silly ad-hominem

Also: Many communists were also dog lovers. Are all dog-lovers communists? (Not that anyone here sans you is anti-intellectual, of course)
And it's such common knowledge, you should be able to prove it.

"On average, boys now begin puberty at around ages 9 or 10, depending on race or ethnicity"

“It may be largely genetic, as it is well known that different races have different timing in puberty, other factors being equal. But the variation also may be influenced by environmental factors,” Herman-Giddens said.

http://www.wschronicle.com/2012/11/blac ... nterparts/

[Laerod]

Adult skull size is (favors Asians, then whites, then blacks),
child skull size not so much.
Neoteny is just another factor predicting intelligence.
Again, accepted fact.

So Neanderthals were smarting than Cro Magnons. Accepted fact?

Well, they did end up getting beaten =P

[Centro-Progressive Peoples Entity]

Soooo how is this thread alive?

Because OP refuses to accept that the evidence doesn't agree with them.

This is NSG, there's no such thing as thread ownership.

Just call in the mods.

[Norepinephrinistania]

Fat=higher estrogen production.
Basic medical fact.

Ok that doesn't answer my question. You stated that early onset puberty is a sign of decreased intelligence. You then stated that Black people go through puberty first with a study that suggests BMI also plays a heavy role. Now you are saying that BMI is caused by estrogen.
So if early puberty actually is linked to decreased intelligence, then why are only black people considered less intelligent rather than people with high BMIs and/or increased estrogen?

Also where is the evidence that animals with smaller skulls develop faster. Horses have bigger heads and they are fully mature at five years old.

No, the fat itself produces estrogen.
Once more, commonly known if you have half an education.

[Flyover]

Because OP refuses to accept that the evidence doesn't agree with them.

This is NSG, there's no such thing as thread ownership.

Just call in the mods.

It's not against the rules to be wrong and refuse to see evidence.
Even if that would be nice, I suppose. Unenforceable and subject to abuse, but nice.

"Once more, commonly known if you have half an education."
Silly ad hominem!

[The Solar Cooperative Union]

My favorite part about this that he's trying to argue that he's smarter because of race but he's making an idiot of himself, its almost poetic.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

Adult skull size is (favors Asians, then whites, then blacks),
child skull size not so much.
Neoteny is just another factor predicting intelligence.
Again, accepted fact.

So Neanderthals were smarter than us, since they had larger adult brains than us. That they were not as neotenous as us doesn't negate that fact. Right?

[Mavorpen]

Silly ad-hominem

Also: Many communists were also dog lovers. Are all dog-lovers communists? (Not that anyone here sans you is anti-intellectual, of course)
And it's such common knowledge, you should be able to prove it.

"On average, boys now begin puberty at around ages 9 or 10, depending on race or ethnicity"

“It may be largely genetic, as it is well known that different races have different timing in puberty, other factors being equal. But the variation also may be influenced by environmental factors,” Herman-Giddens said.

http://www.wschronicle.com/2012/11/blac ... nterparts/

No study. An opinion piece.

[Norepinephrinistania]

This is why I think you're an anti-intellecual. (Many communists were)

Because I actually read my sources, other people's posts, and don't selectively avoid posts that I don't like?

This is commonly accepted medical fact and you could see so just via a google search.

So basically, you don't have a source. Got it.

“It may be largely genetic, as it is well known that different races have different timing in puberty, other factors being equal. But the variation also may be influenced by environmental factors,” Herman-Giddens said.

[Vassenor]

No, the fat itself produces estrogen.
Once more, commonly known if you have half an education.

...Wait, what?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estrogen#Biosynthesis

Estrogens, in females, are produced primarily by the ovaries, and during pregnancy, the placenta. Follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) stimulates the ovarian production of estrogens by the granulosa cells of the ovarian follicles and corpora lutea. Some estrogens are also produced in smaller amounts by other tissues such as the liver, adrenal glands, and the breasts. These secondary sources of estrogens are especially important in postmenopausal women. Fat cells produce estrogen as well.[10]

Fat cells can convert Androgens into Estrogen. They don't produce it themselves.

[The Solar Cooperative Union]

Because I actually read my sources, other people's posts, and don't selectively avoid posts that I don't like?

So basically, you don't have a source. Got it.

“It may be largely genetic, as it is well known that different races have different timing in puberty, other factors being equal. But the variation also may be influenced by environmental factors,” Herman-Giddens said.

[Laerod]

Because OP refuses to accept that the evidence doesn't agree with them.

This is NSG, there's no such thing as thread ownership.

Just call in the mods.

For what? If it's trolling, it's too subtle to warrant any action barring evidence of puppet-wanking.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Because OP refuses to accept that the evidence doesn't agree with them.

This is NSG, there's no such thing as thread ownership.

Just call in the mods.

Nobody said that there was thread ownership here.

What, exactly, would the mods do? Poor debate form isn't actionable outside of flaming, spam, or trolling.

[Norepinephrinistania]

“It may be largely genetic, as it is well known that different races have different timing in puberty[/size], other factors being equal. But the variation also may be influenced by environmental factors,” Herman-Giddens said.

Herman-Giddens reiterated the well-known medical fact of earlier black puberty.