Race and IQ

[Vassenor]

I have been censored by closed minds and irrationality.

You keep ignoring any post that you can't disprove, and you accuse us of being "closed mided".

[Norepinephrinistania]

Facial features can correlate with skull size/shape.

It's always fun to see people keeping up on the old ways, like phrenology, or blatant racism.

Phrenology is on an individual level, not a group level.
Head size is correlated with intelligence.

[Mavorpen]

Is that you're allowed to talk? Because of the "Social Justice Police" allowing it?
How have you been censored? You haven't.



They HAVE to be? Why?

I have been censored by closed minds and irrationality.

Because in statistics, few competing values are very, very rarely equal. If we assume even the tiniest of genetic difference (which is physically obvious), that tips the scales towards one or the other. That opens us up to seeing the more profound differences. Even tiny difference is intolerable to the egalitarian.

Ironically, the only ones who actually acknowledge legitimate differences are the "egalitarians."

[Terminus Alpha]

Is that you're allowed to talk? Because of the "Social Justice Police" allowing it?
How have you been censored? You haven't.



They HAVE to be? Why?

I have been censored by closed minds and irrationality.

Because in statistics, few competing values are very, very rarely equal. If we assume even the tiniest of genetic difference (which is physically obvious), that tips the scales towards one or the other. That opens us up to seeing the more profound differences. Even tiny difference is intolerable to the egalitarian.

Dude. No one is censoring you. You've just presented no evidence and no sources for your claims.

Being wrong =/= being oppressed by teh evul ESS JAY DUBYAHS.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Is that you're allowed to talk? Because of the "Social Justice Police" allowing it?
How have you been censored? You haven't.



They HAVE to be? Why?

I have been censored by closed minds and irrationality.

Because in statistics, few competing values are very, very rarely equal. If we assume even the tiniest of genetic difference (which is physically obvious), that tips the scales towards one or the other. That opens us up to seeing the more profound differences. Even tiny difference is intolerable to the egalitarian.

No, you fucking well have not. You are posting on this forum. Provided that you continue to not flame or troll (I'm working under the assumption that you are not actually trolling), you will likely continue to be allowed to post on this forum. Yammer on all that you want, but don't dare play the free speech martyr card. The fact that people are vehemently disagreeing with you and coming up with counterarguments that you are unable to comprehensively respond to does not equal censorship, and claiming otherwise is an insult to those who actually have been censored.

[Norepinephrinistania]

I have been censored by closed minds and irrationality.

Because in statistics, few competing values are very, very rarely equal. If we assume even the tiniest of genetic difference (which is physically obvious), that tips the scales towards one or the other. That opens us up to seeing the more profound differences. Even tiny difference is intolerable to the egalitarian.

You've probably been censored on, like, a forum. Which is not the same thing, believe it or not. Unless the police or the government have actually come to your house or something and made you stop, you're not being censored. Having everyone disagree with you because you're bad at reading posts and arguing is not the same.

In many European countries my view would be literally illegal, despite scientific merit.

[Unholy Byzantium]

Ok, so I have to ask the OP: have you ever read Jared Diamond's Guns Germs and Steel?

Because it completely disproves your hypothesis. Your argument is based on the false notion that it is more difficult to survive in Eurasia and thus its inhabitants had to evolve to be more intelligent to adapt to live there. Putting aside for a second the absurdity of it even being possible to evolve noticeably different intelligence in the span of a few tens of thousands of years, what evidence do you have that Eurasia is even harder to live in?

Diamond states, and I agree with him, that the reason Eurasians came to dominate is actually the complete opposite of what you are saying. They had access to more resources, a better climate for agriculture, a better climate for Trade. Africa was cut off by the Sahara and Australia had, and still has, an incredibly erratic climate for growing crops. That is the reason some people came to dominate others. It has nothing to do with the pseudo science surrounding their skull shape.

[Norepinephrinistania]

I have been censored by closed minds and irrationality.

Because in statistics, few competing values are very, very rarely equal. If we assume even the tiniest of genetic difference (which is physically obvious), that tips the scales towards one or the other. That opens us up to seeing the more profound differences. Even tiny difference is intolerable to the egalitarian.

No, you fucking well have not. You are posting on this forum. Provided that you continue to not flame or troll (I'm working under the assumption that you are not actually trolling), you will likely continue to be allowed to post on this forum. Yammer on all that you want, but don't dare play the free speech martyr card. The fact that people are vehemently disagreeing with you and coming up with counterarguments that you are unable to comprehensively respond to does not equal censorship, and claiming otherwise is an insult to those who actually have been censored.

Explain how genetic isolation and natural selection lead to equal (???) intelligence.

[Wallenburg]

[Yumyumsuppertime]

It's always fun to see people keeping up on the old ways, like phrenology, or blatant racism.

Phrenology is on an individual level, not a group level.
Head size is correlated with intelligence.

It's still the same basic hypothesis, and it's just as pseudoscientific.

[Vassenor]

In many European countries my view would be literally illegal, despite scientific merit.

Source for that claim?

[AlezSalmond]

Only potheads have an IQ below 120. Your OP is flawed

[Mavorpen]

No, you fucking well have not. You are posting on this forum. Provided that you continue to not flame or troll (I'm working under the assumption that you are not actually trolling), you will likely continue to be allowed to post on this forum. Yammer on all that you want, but don't dare play the free speech martyr card. The fact that people are vehemently disagreeing with you and coming up with counterarguments that you are unable to comprehensively respond to does not equal censorship, and claiming otherwise is an insult to those who actually have been censored.

Explain how genetic isolation and natural selection lead to equal (???) intelligence.

Explain why you can't come up with arguments so you continue to repeat a question that's inherently a strawman/red herring/loaded question.

[Flyover]

You've probably been censored on, like, a forum. Which is not the same thing, believe it or not. Unless the police or the government have actually come to your house or something and made you stop, you're not being censored. Having everyone disagree with you because you're bad at reading posts and arguing is not the same.

In many European countries my view would be literally illegal, despite scientific merit.

You would have to actually show meaningful sources for anyone to think you have scientific merit.
Besides, saying "What I'm saying is illegal in other countries" is not the same as "I am being censored"
It would be illegal for you to use this forum in North Korea, but that doesn't mean you're being restricted from using it now. For better or worse.

And I'm not sure that saying there is an intelligence gap is illegal in Europe. Hate speech is, but you're not saying anything hateful by just pointing out a gap. It might be hate speech if you then say blacks are inferior or some other stupid stuff like that.

[Imperializt Russia]

This is almost the most dishonest thing you have said.

There's a lot of competition.

On average. I guessed you would be able to assume that. It's always about 1-1.5 standard deviations too.

I shouldn't have to guess. Your phrasing is simply incorrect.

Cite studies into the comparison between the IQ scores of whites and blacks for me, please. I'd like to see where your numbers come from.
I'm also unconvinced by your continued assertion that you "are right" and we're "blinded by naivete", when no element of respected science from this half of the last century remotely supports your claims.

[Norepinephrinistania]

Ok, so I have to ask the OP: have you ever read Jared Diamond's Guns Germs and Steel?

Because it completely disproves your hypothesis. Your argument is based on the false notion that it is more difficult to survive in Eurasia and thus its inhabitants had to evolve to be more intelligent to adapt to live there. Putting aside for a second the absurdity of it even being possible to evolve noticeably different intelligence in the span of a few tens of thousands of years, what evidence do you have that Eurasia is even harder to live in?

Diamond states, and I agree with him, that the reason Eurasians came to dominate is actually the complete opposite of what you are saying. They had access to more resources, a better climate for agriculture, a better climate for Trade. Africa was cut off by the Sahara and Australia had, and still has, an incredibly erratic climate for growing crops. That is the reason some people came to dominate others. It has nothing to do with the pseudo science surrounding their skull shape.

I have.
Jared prefaces the book by saying "We must not consider any racist alternatives"
We'll, that shows it's not proper science if only one view is considered. That's not even proper sociology.
It makes some decent points, and that's why I tailor my approach on individual differences and not cultural success.

[Laerod]

It's always fun to see people keeping up on the old ways, like phrenology, or blatant racism.

Phrenology is on an individual level, not a group level.
Head size is correlated with intelligence.

It's not. But you knew that already.

[Mavorpen]

On average. I guessed you would be able to assume that. It's always about 1-1.5 standard deviations too.

I shouldn't have to guess. Your phrasing is simply incorrect.

Cite studies into the comparison between the IQ scores of whites and blacks for me, please. I'd like to see where your numbers come from.
I'm also unconvinced by your continued assertion that you "are right" and we're "blinded by naivete", when no element of respected science from this half of the last century remotely supports your claims.

ITS TEH SJWS!

[Yumyumsuppertime]

No, you fucking well have not. You are posting on this forum. Provided that you continue to not flame or troll (I'm working under the assumption that you are not actually trolling), you will likely continue to be allowed to post on this forum. Yammer on all that you want, but don't dare play the free speech martyr card. The fact that people are vehemently disagreeing with you and coming up with counterarguments that you are unable to comprehensively respond to does not equal censorship, and claiming otherwise is an insult to those who actually have been censored.

Explain how genetic isolation and natural selection lead to equal (???) intelligence.

Sorry, I don't recall making any claim one way or the other regarding the truth of your hypothesis, as others have done so far more eloquently than I. In that post, I was addressing how poorly the martyr label fit you. If you come down from that cross, maybe you'll be able to understand me better.

[Mavorpen]

Ok, so I have to ask the OP: have you ever read Jared Diamond's Guns Germs and Steel?

Because it completely disproves your hypothesis. Your argument is based on the false notion that it is more difficult to survive in Eurasia and thus its inhabitants had to evolve to be more intelligent to adapt to live there. Putting aside for a second the absurdity of it even being possible to evolve noticeably different intelligence in the span of a few tens of thousands of years, what evidence do you have that Eurasia is even harder to live in?

Diamond states, and I agree with him, that the reason Eurasians came to dominate is actually the complete opposite of what you are saying. They had access to more resources, a better climate for agriculture, a better climate for Trade. Africa was cut off by the Sahara and Australia had, and still has, an incredibly erratic climate for growing crops. That is the reason some people came to dominate others. It has nothing to do with the pseudo science surrounding their skull shape.

I have.
Jared prefaces the book by saying "We must not consider any racist alternatives"
We'll, that shows it's not proper science if only one view is considered. That's not even proper sociology.
It makes some decent points, and that's why I tailor my approach on individual differences and not cultural success.

It's not proper science to refuse to entertain pseudoscience?

[Norepinephrinistania]

Phrenology is on an individual level, not a group level.
Head size is correlated with intelligence.

It's not. But you knew that already.

No study. An opinion piece.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9604001357

[Laerod]

In many European countries my view would be literally illegal, despite scientific merit.

Source for that claim?

Maybe they're a holocaust denier?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Only potheads have an IQ below 120. Your OP is flawed

*Raises hand*

IQ way above 120 here. It's a largely meaningless number, though, as that and a buck won't even get me a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

[Vassenor]

It's not. But you knew that already.

No study. An opinion piece.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9604001357

That's not a study either. That's a meta-analysis.

[Flyover]

Ok, so I have to ask the OP: have you ever read Jared Diamond's Guns Germs and Steel?

Because it completely disproves your hypothesis. Your argument is based on the false notion that it is more difficult to survive in Eurasia and thus its inhabitants had to evolve to be more intelligent to adapt to live there. Putting aside for a second the absurdity of it even being possible to evolve noticeably different intelligence in the span of a few tens of thousands of years, what evidence do you have that Eurasia is even harder to live in?

Diamond states, and I agree with him, that the reason Eurasians came to dominate is actually the complete opposite of what you are saying. They had access to more resources, a better climate for agriculture, a better climate for Trade. Africa was cut off by the Sahara and Australia had, and still has, an incredibly erratic climate for growing crops. That is the reason some people came to dominate others. It has nothing to do with the pseudo science surrounding their skull shape.

I have.
Jared prefaces the book by saying "We must not consider any racist alternatives"
We'll, that shows it's not proper science if only one view is considered. That's not even proper sociology.
It makes some decent points, and that's why I tailor my approach on individual differences and not cultural success.

You never considered in your imaginary sources that the environment could ever be equal or greater than genes in determining intelligence, ergo you have not done proper science.

Besides: Even IF the author has a bias, that alone does not disqualify evidence she may provide (unless the bias is directly tied to the subject, which in this case it really isn't.)