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Postby Andarro » Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:36 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
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I agree that the Prussians had a very versatile military, I doubt very many people would challenge that.

I am not aware that the Prussians ever challenged the British Empire.

With or without allies, challenging the British Empire and surviving to tell about it is badass.

By that measure France is far more badass.


Good point, but the colonials had far more to lose if the war had been lost.

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Postby The Archregimancy » Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:52 pm

True Christopia wrote:British Army, specifically the time of the Red Coats. I mean, come on, we had a 1/3rd of the world at one point.

Think about the battle of Rorkes Drift, around 140 Red-Coats against FOUR THOUSAND ZULU WARRIORS. And the Brits still won.


The defence of Rorke's Drift took place on the 22nd-23rd of January, 1879.

It was a remarkable achievement in its own way; but perhaps you'd like to remind us what happened in the far larger and more tactically significant battle some 16 km southeast of Rorke's Drift earlier on the 22nd?

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The Archregimancy wrote:
True Christopia wrote:British Army, specifically the time of the Red Coats. I mean, come on, we had a 1/3rd of the world at one point.

Think about the battle of Rorkes Drift, around 140 Red-Coats against FOUR THOUSAND ZULU WARRIORS. And the Brits still won.


The defence of Rorke's Drift took place on the 22nd-23rd of January, 1879.

It was a remarkable achievement in its own way; but perhaps you'd like to remind us what happened in the far larger and more tactically significant battle some 16 km southeast of Rorke's Drift earlier on the 22nd?

Oops.

I'm sorry if youve ready said it, but who do feel is the best military in history?
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Postby United Kingdom of Kent » Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:56 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
True Christopia wrote:British Army, specifically the time of the Red Coats. I mean, come on, we had a 1/3rd of the world at one point.

Think about the battle of Rorkes Drift, around 140 Red-Coats against FOUR THOUSAND ZULU WARRIORS. And the Brits still won.


The defence of Rorke's Drift took place on the 22nd-23rd of January, 1879.

It was a remarkable achievement in its own way; but perhaps you'd like to remind us what happened in the far larger and more tactically significant battle some 16 km southeast of Rorke's Drift earlier on the 22nd?

Oops.


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Postby Riechelburg » Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:57 pm

Has to be the British Empire, with the most dominant naval force ever.

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Postby Benian Republic » Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:57 pm

United Kingdom of Kent wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
The defence of Rorke's Drift took place on the 22nd-23rd of January, 1879.

It was a remarkable achievement in its own way; but perhaps you'd like to remind us what happened in the far larger and more tactically significant battle some 16 km southeast of Rorke's Drift earlier on the 22nd?

Oops.


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Postby SinatraFrank » Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:59 pm

If we are looking at best army, than alexander the great's army. It was perfect. Great amount of men, balanced units, and tacticians and strategists.

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Postby Soviet Spaceships » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:02 pm

The Soviets, by far had the greatest army of all time. They were the driving force that weakened the Nazis, and their soldiers did it without question, because they wanted to. The Red Army saved Europe one day, hopefully it will save us again.
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Postby The Republican United States » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:04 pm

Alexander The Great's Army, The Roman Army, Genghis Khan's Army, The Grande Armée, The Prussian Army, The Wehrmacht, and the U.S Army are my choices.
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Postby Soviet Spaceships » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:05 pm

The Republican United States wrote:Alexander The Great's Army, The Roman Army, Genghis Khan's Army, The Grande Armée, The Prussian Army, The Wehrmacht, and the U.S Army are my choices.

The Wehrmacht were weak. They could only fight weaker enemies or catch others by surprise, and they had to use at least half of their entire army to actually win a battle.
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Postby SinatraFrank » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:07 pm

Alexander's army NEVER lost a single battle.

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Postby The Archregimancy » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:09 pm

Andarro wrote:Execution at the time I think was hanging, drawing and quartering, removal and burning of entrails.


Please don't write nonsense.

Hanging, drawing and quartering was technically on the statue books of English law until 1870, but only for High Treason, and use of the sentence was exceptionally rare after 1660 and 1681. Even when it was technically implemented after 1681 (as in a couple of cases relating to the 1745 Jacobite Rebellion), the punishment wasn't applied in full - only the hanging portion was used.

And besides, we know that British executions during the American Revolution didn't consist of hanging, drawing and quartering - as Nathan Hale and Isaac Hayne both demonstrate, hanging was the standard execution practice used on those rare occasions where the British carried out an execution of an American during the war.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:11 pm

Scyobayrynn wrote:I'm sorry if youve ready said it, but who do feel is the best military in history?


It's a meaningless and wholly subjective question that's essentially impossible to answer objectively.

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Postby UED » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:17 pm

Soviet Spaceships wrote:
The Republican United States wrote:Alexander The Great's Army, The Roman Army, Genghis Khan's Army, The Grande Armée, The Prussian Army, The Wehrmacht, and the U.S Army are my choices.

The Wehrmacht were weak. They could only fight weaker enemies or catch others by surprise, and they had to use at least half of their entire army to actually win a battle.


Isn't that what a military is suppose to do? Catch the other side by surprise? What are they suppose to do then, tell the enemy "We will attack you here, so expect us k?"

Heck 3rd Battle of Kharkiv 70,000 Germans defeated 350,000 Soviets and this is after the disaster at Stalingrad.
Or even a better example..
Battle of Tannenberg Line, 22,000 Germans with 7 tanks, 70-80 assault guns, and 49 aircraft defeat 130,000 Soviets with 150 armoured cars, 1680 assault guns and 546 aircraft... And the Soviets by this point were no joke, this is July-August of 1944, the German military is in a wreck after losing their finest remaining troops at Kursk, the Germans are suffering their greatest defeat by losing all of Belarus in Operation Bagration. The Germans had a very small force that wasn't even 5% of their total remaining forces and managed to pull off a great victory out of their butts.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:23 pm

Replevion wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:They lost.


They ultimately won because there is still a Finland. That was the whole point of the Winter War and the Continuation War: Stop the Soviets. And they did, in spite of being outnumbered and out equipped 4 to 1. Their solution was to cause four Soviet casualties for every Finnish casualty. Having virtually no air force or armor, they also destroyed thousands of Soviet tanks with practically their bare hands. Fuck yea.

I would submit on somewhat similar grounds the Korean Left Jeolla Navy under Admiral Yi Sun-sin. Two dozen engagements, always outnumbered, never defeated. They once won a battle while outnumbered 10 to 1. They were the main, if not only, reason that Korea didn't fall to Japan for another three centuries.

Im not denying they did really well, but technically they lost the war. That is all i am saying, they were forced to cede land though not as much as the Soviets wanted them to.
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Postby Napkiraly » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:28 pm

Andarro wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:By that measure France is far more badass.


Good point, but the colonials had far more to lose if the war had been lost.

I introduce you to the Hundred Years War, where at one point there very much was a reasonable chance of an English monarch being the King of France.

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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:37 pm

When I was six, my friends and I dressed up as soldiers for halloween. The night began with an empty sack of candy. The night ended with four dozen pieces of various diabetes filled treats. Our three man army conquered that night, making us the best military of all time.
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Postby Scyobayrynn » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:39 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Scyobayrynn wrote:I'm sorry if youve ready said it, but who do feel is the best military in history?


It's a meaningless and wholly subjective question that's essentially impossible to answer objectively.

Indeed.
Which is why I asked specifically who you feel is the best military in history?

Fun.
Discussing something no one is really wrong about.

You have to have a favorite... The Mongols, the Brits, the Romans, the modern American, the Dahomey, something.

You have a firm grasp of history(obviously) so, come on...play the game.
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:39 pm

Risottia wrote:I think the best overall was the military of the British Empire, which combined innovation, superior logistics, good training, ingenuity, and an impressive ability to fight simultaneously on many different parts of the globe.


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Postby UED » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:42 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Andarro wrote:
Good point, but the colonials had far more to lose if the war had been lost.

I introduce you to the Hundred Years War, where at one point there very much was a reasonable chance of an English monarch being the King of France.


The situation was so serious the French sent a girl who claimed she heard voices in her head....

The French were really that desperate. They had lost most of Northern France, their leadership and people were demoralized, Medieval Europeans were generally sexist, I mean one historian noted that the French sent Joan of Arc to the battle because all rational choices had failed them. They basically YOLOed and expected the future of France to be over within a few decades...
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Postby UED » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:45 pm

Scyobayrynn wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
It's a meaningless and wholly subjective question that's essentially impossible to answer objectively.

Indeed.
Which is why I asked specifically who you feel is the best military in history?

Fun.
Discussing something no one is really wrong about.

You have to have a favorite... The Mongols, the Brits, the Romans, the modern American, the Dahomey, something.

You have a firm grasp of history(obviously) so, come on...play the game.


Personally, I don't know why this option hasn't popped up.
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Postby Scyobayrynn » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:54 pm

UED wrote:
Scyobayrynn wrote:Indeed.
Which is why I asked specifically who you feel is the best military in history?

Fun.
Discussing something no one is really wrong about.

You have to have a favorite... The Mongols, the Brits, the Romans, the modern American, the Dahomey, something.

You have a firm grasp of history(obviously) so, come on...play the game.


Personally, I don't know why this option hasn't popped up.
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Postby The Republican United States » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:56 pm

UED wrote:
Scyobayrynn wrote:Indeed.
Which is why I asked specifically who you feel is the best military in history?

Fun.
Discussing something no one is really wrong about.

You have to have a favorite... The Mongols, the Brits, the Romans, the modern American, the Dahomey, something.

You have a firm grasp of history(obviously) so, come on...play the game.


Personally, I don't know why this option hasn't popped up.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:57 pm

Scyobayrynn wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
It's a meaningless and wholly subjective question that's essentially impossible to answer objectively.

Indeed.
Which is why I asked specifically who you feel is the best military in history?

Fun.
Discussing something no one is really wrong about.


Of course - and I wouldn't stop others from offering an opinion in that spirit; but in my own opinion it's impossible to really state what the 'best' historical military was since there's no limit to the historical scope.

If, mind, you were going to ask me what my favourite historical military was, then I could give a better set of answers; and most of the answers in this thread are likely 'favourite' rather than 'best'.

But best? Anyone with reasonable grasp of history knows that's an impossible question to answer if no historical limits have been offered.
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