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Postby Benuty » Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:54 pm

Deanson wrote:
Benuty wrote:Tengri isn't Omnipotent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengri


You get my point.

Still you left the door open.
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Postby Benuty » Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:55 pm

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Benuty wrote:Because genetic diversity rather than progression is the priority of why life evolves?


Umm evolution doesn't have a priority, it is just a function of life on this planet.

Wasn't using that in the actual sense that evolution was somehow self aware mind you.
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Postby New United States of Columbia » Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:59 pm

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New United States of Columbia wrote:Like I said I horribly simplified the theory but you get my points: If evolution is an ongoing process why haven't we evolved since the time of the Sumerians and why are our "Predecessors" still around when they should be sixty feet deep?

You just said evolution is an ongoing process, so yes, we have evolved. We are evolving.

Okay how? If I jump off a cliff I don't get wings or the ability to fly. Neither would I get that a thousand years in the future or a thousand years in the past. How are we evolving exactly?
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Postby Benuty » Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:59 pm

Of course this question only works in this universe.

At least in the DC universe with the death of the old gods, and the rise of the new one could claim morality was held to a higher force.
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Postby Deanson » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:00 pm

New United States of Columbia wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:You just said evolution is an ongoing process, so yes, we have evolved. We are evolving.

Okay how? If I jump off a cliff I don't get wings or the ability to fly. Neither would I get that a thousand years in the future or a thousand years in the past. How are we evolving exactly?


Do you actually have any understanding of what evolution is or explains?
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Postby Benuty » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:03 pm

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New United States of Columbia wrote:Okay how? If I jump off a cliff I don't get wings or the ability to fly. Neither would I get that a thousand years in the future or a thousand years in the past. How are we evolving exactly?


Do you actually have any understanding of what evolution is or explains?

Perhaps the unfortunate circumstances of a bad attempt at poe's law apply with them.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:04 pm

New United States of Columbia wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:You just said evolution is an ongoing process, so yes, we have evolved. We are evolving.

Okay how? If I jump off a cliff I don't get wings or the ability to fly. Neither would I get that a thousand years in the future or a thousand years in the past. How are we evolving exactly?


You don't understand what evolution is.
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Postby Benuty » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:05 pm

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New United States of Columbia wrote:Okay how? If I jump off a cliff I don't get wings or the ability to fly. Neither would I get that a thousand years in the future or a thousand years in the past. How are we evolving exactly?


You don't understand what evolution is.

Let alone basic biology if they are indeed serious.

It is a shame really.
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Postby Rhyfelnydd » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:06 pm

New United States of Columbia wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:You just said evolution is an ongoing process, so yes, we have evolved. We are evolving.

Okay how? If I jump off a cliff I don't get wings or the ability to fly. Neither would I get that a thousand years in the future or a thousand years in the past. How are we evolving exactly?

You really have no grasp on what evolution actually is do you?
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Postby Russels Orbiting Teapot » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:27 pm

New United States of Columbia wrote:Okay how? If I jump off a cliff I don't get wings or the ability to fly. Neither would I get that a thousand years in the future or a thousand years in the past. How are we evolving exactly?


Read this, and get back to us once you have a basic understanding of what you're talking about.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evoluti ... ition.html

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Postby MERIZoC » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:34 pm

New United States of Columbia wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:You just said evolution is an ongoing process, so yes, we have evolved. We are evolving.

Okay how? If I jump off a cliff I don't get wings or the ability to fly. Neither would I get that a thousand years in the future or a thousand years in the past. How are we evolving exactly?

Question for you.

Did you even go through Middle/High school, or whatever your country's equivalent is?

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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:52 pm

New United States of Columbia wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:You just said evolution is an ongoing process, so yes, we have evolved. We are evolving.

Okay how? If I jump off a cliff I don't get wings or the ability to fly. Neither would I get that a thousand years in the future or a thousand years in the past. How are we evolving exactly?

That's not evolution, that's just trying to get a Darwin Award.
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Postby Othelos » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:58 pm

New United States of Columbia wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:You just said evolution is an ongoing process, so yes, we have evolved. We are evolving.

Okay how? If I jump off a cliff I don't get wings or the ability to fly. Neither would I get that a thousand years in the future or a thousand years in the past. How are we evolving exactly?

Evolution takes place over millions of years.
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Postby Benuty » Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:01 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
New United States of Columbia wrote:Okay how? If I jump off a cliff I don't get wings or the ability to fly. Neither would I get that a thousand years in the future or a thousand years in the past. How are we evolving exactly?

That's not evolution, that's just trying to get a Darwin Award.

A decent one at that.
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Postby Rhyfelnydd » Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:02 pm

Benuty wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:That's not evolution, that's just trying to get a Darwin Award.

A decent one at that.

Perhaps bronze. With the inscription "Why haven't I suddenly sprouted wings?"
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Postby Benian Republic » Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:28 pm

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Benuty wrote:A decent one at that.

Perhaps bronze. With the inscription "Why haven't I suddenly sprouted wings?"

Guys I think he was kidding.
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Postby Rhyfelnydd » Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:33 pm

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Rhyfelnydd wrote:Perhaps bronze. With the inscription "Why haven't I suddenly sprouted wings?"

Guys I think he was kidding.

Around here, you never quite know.
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Postby Benian Republic » Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:38 pm

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Benian Republic wrote:Guys I think he was kidding.

Around here, you never quite know.

Atleast I hope he was kidding :unsure:
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Postby Rhyfelnydd » Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:45 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
Rhyfelnydd wrote:Around here, you never quite know.

Atleast I hope he was kidding :unsure:

We all do...
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:09 pm

The Venderlands wrote:Then again, where does that instinct come from?

Our evolved brains.
The Venderlands wrote:What makes it valuable to live?

Not being dead.
The Venderlands wrote:The instinct we have to live is part of God's design for our nature.

Or it's just... nature.
The Venderlands wrote:Indeed it is a basic instinct, a basic instinct installed by God.

Source? Because I think science and biology has already established it's developed on its own.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:10 pm

New United States of Columbia wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:You just said evolution is an ongoing process, so yes, we have evolved. We are evolving.

Okay how? If I jump off a cliff I don't get wings or the ability to fly. Neither would I get that a thousand years in the future or a thousand years in the past. How are we evolving exactly?

Someone skipped every science class past the first grade.

That is not how evolution works.
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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:12 pm

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Dyakovo wrote:No, it doesn't, and what some people are convinced of is wholly irrelevant to what is.


You can't say that with any degree of certainty.

Yes, I can. Just because someone is convinced that "God" exists, it doesn't mean that he does. Just like if someone is convinced "God" doesn't exist doesn't mean that he doesn't. Whether or not he exists is completely unaffected by whether someone is convinced of it or not.
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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:15 pm

New United States of Columbia wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:You just said evolution is an ongoing process, so yes, we have evolved. We are evolving.

Okay how? If I jump off a cliff I don't get wings or the ability to fly. Neither would I get that a thousand years in the future or a thousand years in the past. How are we evolving exactly?

...I'm just about done with this kind of thinking.

Our thought processes and physical build have changed over the past tens of thousands of years. And that's a REALLY short time for evolution.

If you'd read any biology textbook ever (starting with Darwin's On the Origin of Species, if you decide to be a prick and find something Aristotle wrote), you'll find any major evolutionary change takes millions and millions of years. And we evolve for practical purposes, not so we can jump off cliffs.
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Postby United States Kingdom » Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:18 pm

The Venderlands wrote:
Rhyfelnydd wrote:Wanting to live is a basic intinct all animals have, a dirty has nothing to do with it.

Then again, where does that instinct come from? What makes it valuable to live? The instinct we have to live is part of God's design for our nature. Indeed it is a basic instinct, a basic instinct installed by God.

1. We have evolved brains. That is where our instincts come from.

2. The answer to your second question is not being dead.

3. Its natural. 'God' isn't part of it.
4. Right.....
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